Re: [Ayatana] Fitts Law

2011-04-26 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 GonzO Rodrigue wrote on 23/04/11 18:43: On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 5:25 AM, Mitja Pagon mitja.pa...@inueni.com ... http://design.canonical.com/2011/04/unity-benchmark-usability-april-2011/ Is this the testing you were referring to? If so, how come

Re: [Ayatana] Fitts Law

2011-04-23 Thread Mitja Pagon
- Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- It does. In the videos I watched of Charline Poirier's user test two weeks ago, of the eight out of ten people who could find the hidden menus at all, seven of them discovered the menus while mousing

Re: [Ayatana] Fitts Law

2011-04-21 Thread Mitja Pagon
- Luke Benstead kaz...@gmail.com wrote: These questions really need answering, Luke. I somewhat doubt we will get any response, it's looking more and more like the time when window controls were switched to the left, after a while the opposition just gave up and later on Mr.

Re: [Ayatana] Fitts Law

2011-04-21 Thread frederik.nn...@gmail.com
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 20:35, Toby Smithe tsmi...@ubuntu.com wrote: This just seems to be, in the most part, a vacuum outlet for community discontent, rather than a place for constructive discussion. every public mailing list behaves like that, when under heavy load. some break, some

Re: [Ayatana] Fitts Law

2011-04-20 Thread Luke Benstead
On 19 April 2011 18:24, Mitja Pagon mitja.pa...@inueni.com wrote: - Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.com wrote: It does. In the videos I watched of Charline Poirier's user test two weeks ago, of the eight out of ten people who could find the hidden menus at all, seven of them discovered

Re: [Ayatana] Fitts Law

2011-04-20 Thread Toby Smithe
2011/4/20 Luke Benstead kaz...@gmail.com: If even MPT thinks things are broken then why are we continuing with the current mess? You think Apple or Microsoft would ship with something as ill thought out as the current panel design? I hate to point this out, but the ratio of Canonical:community

Re: [Ayatana] Fitts Law

2011-04-19 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kevin Liao wrote on 12/04/11 14:48: Hi all, I've been wondering, the Global Menu debate has been very furious for a while now. Proponents argue that Fitts Law is efficient. However, Unity's implementation of the Global Menu is that it becomes a

Re: [Ayatana] Fitts Law

2011-04-19 Thread Mitja Pagon
- Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.com wrote: It does. In the videos I watched of Charline Poirier's user test two weeks ago, of the eight out of ten people who could find the hidden menus at all, seven of them discovered the menus while mousing over the close/minimize/unmaximize

Re: [Ayatana] Fitts Law

2011-04-19 Thread Alexander Lancey
Why does the global menu hide at all? Hiding it doesn't save a lot of space, and it an can quite annoying. -New users may have issues finding it -A user may forgot an action like Edit - Copy if the Edit menu isn't a visual reminder -I frequently make an L-shape as I hit the top of the screen,

Re: [Ayatana] Fitts Law

2011-04-19 Thread Christopher Kahn
+1 on this... the menu should never be hidden. It's very difficult and unintuitive to hide it. The window title should just push it over... even the geniuses designing OS X do it like that. On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Alexander Lancey a...@alexandos.orgwrote: Why does the global menu

Re: [Ayatana] Fitts Law

2011-04-19 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On 19 April 2011 19:26, Carl Simpson cwd.simp...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I am aware, from memory, this was not done so that the application's menus always start in the same place, thereby being consistent, thereby making it quicker to find stuff. With the ironic outcome that where with the

[Ayatana] Fitts Law

2011-04-12 Thread Kevin Liao
Hi all, I've been wondering, the Global Menu debate has been very furious for a while now. Proponents argue that Fitts Law is efficient. However, Unity's implementation of the Global Menu is that it becomes a menu when it is hovered over. Doesn't this mean that Fitts Law is rendered invalid

Re: [Ayatana] Fitts Law

2011-04-12 Thread Ryan Prior
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Kevin Liao kevinlia...@gmail.com wrote: Apart from making Ubuntu look good, what is the argument behind making the menu so obscure? --Kevin Liao It really isn't a problem for a power-user like myself - I have basically memorized the (hidden) menu item positions

Re: [Ayatana] Fitts Law

2011-04-12 Thread Mario Vukelic
On Di, 2011-04-12 at 21:48 +0800, Kevin Liao wrote: However, Unity's implementation of the Global Menu is that it becomes a menu when it is hovered over. Doesn't this mean that Fitts Law is rendered invalid because the user is in a sense blind until the mouse hovers over the menu? I don't

Re: [Ayatana] Fitts Law

2011-04-12 Thread Jamu Kakar
Hi, On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Mario Vukelic mario.vuke...@dantian.org wrote: On Di, 2011-04-12 at 21:48 +0800, Kevin Liao wrote: However, Unity's implementation of the Global Menu is that it becomes a menu when it is hovered over. Doesn't this mean that Fitts Law is rendered invalid

Re: [Ayatana] Fitts Law

2011-04-12 Thread Thibaut Brandscheid
I don't have a link, but somewhere on the blogs or in a bug report I read a comment (I think by Mark himself), that actually the idea is for the menu to become gradually more visible when the mouse approaches it - like Notif-OSD bubbles in reverse. I like this approach as long as there isn't