- Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.com wrote:
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It does. In the videos I watched of Charline Poirier's user test two
weeks ago, of the eight out of ten people who could find the hidden
menus at all, seven of them discovered the menus while mousing
- Luke Benstead kaz...@gmail.com wrote:
These questions really need answering,
Luke.
I somewhat doubt we will get any response, it's looking more and more like the
time when window controls were switched to the left, after a while the
opposition just gave up and later on Mr.
- Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.com wrote:
It does. In the videos I watched of Charline Poirier's user test two
weeks ago, of the eight out of ten people who could find the hidden
menus at all, seven of them discovered the menus while mousing over the
close/minimize/unmaximize
- Luke Benstead kaz...@gmail.com wrote:
Sigh, OK, I'll explain it again:
1. Displaying the title in the panel *alone* isn't a problem
2. Displaying the title in the panel AND merging the maximized window
is a problem
Why? Because the panel becomes the maximized window's title
Nicely put, to extend on you example, the problem Microsoft faced were not pull
down menus themselves, it was rather the fact that Office applications acquired
so much functionality, that pull down menus were no longer an optimal way to
expose that functionality.
This trend against
- Shane Fagan shanepatrickfa...@ubuntu.com wrote:
This trend against application menus is based on generalized assumptions
based on isolated examples of applications with alternative menus, mostly
chrome and firefox (ironically both have application menus in OSX AFAIK)
and
it
I see this scrollbars as another solution in search of a problem to solve and
in the process introducing more problems than it solves. When will people
realize that this is not the right approach to do things.
Cheers,
Mitja
- Xavier Claessens xclae...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
I
- Martín Soto dons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Mitja Pagon mitja.pa...@inueni.com
wrote:
I see this scrollbars as another solution in search of a problem to solve and
in the process introducing more problems than it solves. When will people
realize
- Conscious User consciousu...@gmail.com wrote:
The problem *is* clear: scrollbars are optimized for cursor driven
UI but they became easily unnecessary and bulky on touchable and
small screen devices.
Actually it's not, the definition is vague and overly generalized. Also it's
- Conscious User consciousu...@aol.com wrote:
While I disagree with Mitja's tone (as usual),
That's a bit harsh, my tone is fine most of the time ;) I'll admit that people
talking nonsense sometimes gets the best of me, but in most cases I try to be
polite, if somewhat blunt.
Cheers,
Good stuff - the menu (M) button should be implemented by ages ..
finally some necessary order regarding usability
No it should not, it's a bad idea and a degradation of usablity and if you
would have even the basic understanding of the subject of usability you would
know why.
Cheers,
Menu hiding is one of the risky moves we are making. Initial tests on
unsuspecting users have shown they find 'em quickly and easily enough. I agree
with you, though, that a hint to their existence and anchor
(left-of-the-File-menu) would be nice. That can come in a refinement, mockups
and
And what may those advantages be? Not every application is a web browser
and not all applications are the same, so this "trend" Chrome
supposedly started does not automatically apply to all and every
application. Also this quest for abolishing menus is complete nonsense
propagated by people
be resolved by a community, just like
nuclear plant can't be built by bakers, they simply lack the knowledge.
Cheers,
Mitja
- Original Message -
From: Marc Lajoie manorap...@gmail.com
To: Mitja Pagon mitja.pa...@inueni.com
Cc: Ayatana@lists.launchpad.net, appi2...@gmail.com
Sent
You picked the wrong example as left-aligned windows controls were not a
design decision per se, but rather a decision based on Mark Shuttleworth's
own personal preference, as stated by himself.
Cheers,
Mitja
- Original Message -
From: Lee Hyde anub...@gmail.com
To: t w
There is absolutely nothing wrong with full-screen writing software from design
perspective, actually they make a lot of sense in that particular case (backed
by science), it's just that that doesn't make full-screen an optimal case for
every application.
I suspect that you are somewhat
I agree time to sign off, as this discussion is going nowhere and it's not
really contributing much to anything anymore. Just remember, designers are you
friends ;)
Cheers,
Mitja
- Original Message -
From: Marc Lajoie manorap...@gmail.com
To: Mitja Pagon mitja.pa...@inueni.com
Cc
I've raised this issue before in various places, but I never got any response,
so I'm really, positively surprised to see the same issues raised by someone
from Canonical.
Why not just keep the window title on the window, it's not really wasting that
much screen space. This space efficiency
Still I fail to see what actual problem(s) windicators are meant solve or in
what way are they supposed to better UX. To me it seem like it's a solution in
of search of a problem to solve.
Mitja
- Original Message -
From: Mark Shuttleworth m...@ubuntu.com
To: Mitja Pagon mitja.pa
I would draw a distinction between touch friendly and touch optimized, and
while I agree with what MPT said about Unity and Ubuntu not being optimized for
touch (mainly because of the applications), there is nothing wrong with making
interfaces touch friendly (usable on, but not optimized for,
Using the example of volume control mentioned below, am I the only one who
thinks windicators make little sense and are in fact bad UX. Follow my example.
What is the added benefit of having the per-application volume control as
windicator. Music players already have per application volume
- Original Message -
From: frederik nnaji frederik.nn...@gmail.com
As a rule one can say: every submenu is a workaround to a design problem.
The best design is instantaneous, the best menu is a menu that doesn't exist,
the best UI is a UI that doesn't exist.
Once we add a layer,
- Original Message -
From: frederik nnaji frederik.nn...@gmail.com
yes, i give you that, taken literally it can't make sense that easily ;)
The purpose of technology is not to be in our way, but to achieve goals. In
that respect, the best technology or technique is one which
Now Unity Desktop integrates (and hide) the menu bar in the upper panel both
for the maximized windows and unmaximized ones.
This is the reasons according to Mark Shuttleworth:
«One of the design goals of Unity is to reduce the clutter of the desktop,
another is to use space more
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