Re: Clarification and Progressive Revelation and Peace

2004-12-24 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 02:23:15 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/23/2004 6:56:29 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The human condition, spiritual realities are more fundamental than technology or changes in social organization. Scott:

Re: Clarification and Progressive Revelation and Peace

2004-12-24 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:15:56 -0900, Sandra Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Gilberto, Responding to your comment: So already the Quranic dispensation has examples of resistance and non-resistance. Already there are forms of guidance which help deal with vastly changing

Re: Gospel exists - Why Qur'an?

2004-12-24 Thread John Smith
Do you foresee a movement within Islam to unite these two sects into one, and if so, will it be successful? Do you think this can be done by Muslims themselves, or willGod/(did God) send a new Revelation to bring about this unity? I mean, the revelation of Jesus/Moses could have united the Arab

Re: Bahai jihad? Re: Men and Women equal?

2004-12-24 Thread Mark A. Foster
Scott, At 11:06 AM 12/24/2004, you wrote: I think I would define hikmat a trifle differently in a Baha`i reference. Perhaps Susan or Khazeh could offer a better definition? Here is Susan's paper on it: http://hikmat.susanmaneck.com/ With regards, Mark A. Foster * 15 Sites:

Re: Bahai jihad? Re: Men and Women equal?

2004-12-24 Thread Rich Ater
Gilberto, I don't think so. Hikmat, from my understasnding means presenting the Faith from the point of view of timliness and capacity of the listener, as well as using tact. You brought this up earlier yourself, in terms of dialogue with other religions. Holy War is forbidden to Baha'is

Re: Not Exhausted

2004-12-24 Thread Rich Ater
Gilberto Simpson wrote: Dear Rich, I highly respect what you said and would agree with alot of it. Just a few issues around the question of Biblical corruption: [2.79] Woe, then, to those who write the book with their hands and then say: This is from Allah, so that

Re: Bahai jihad? Re: Men and Women equal?

2004-12-24 Thread Popeyesays
This part two is important: " On the issue of women's rights, divine wisdom, in the sense we have just discussed it, and the injunction upon Bahá'ís to observe "wisdom" in their action directly converge. While Bahá'u'lláh unequivocally proclaimed the equality of men and women,(29) in a

Re: Bahai jihad? Re: Men and Women equal?

2004-12-24 Thread Gilberto Simpson
Could I ask you why you chose the passages you and why they are so important? Would you agree that hikmat could include the possibility of Bahai holy war? Why or why not? Peace Gilberto On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 18:44:19 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This part two is important:

Re: Not Exhausted

2004-12-24 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 15:17:16 -0800, Rich Ater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gilberto Simpson wrote: Gilberto: I wouldn't use the term forgeries. All I mean when *I* say corruption is that the first five books of the Bible are not identical to the Torah given to Moses. The 4 Biblical gospels

RE: Bahai jihad? Re: Men and Women equal?

2004-12-24 Thread Khazeh Fananapazir
In a message dated 12/24/2004 2:02:52 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Others might be able to explain it as well, but basically H.ikmat is sometimes invoke a sometimes pragmatic suspension of a certain Bahai principle in order to defend or promote the faith. So that