Re: COVENANT of the Prophets [Sura 3 verse 81] was [RE: Perennialism]

2005-01-02 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/2/2005 1:24:13 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear Scott, I see you have been visiting Dr. Khalifa's website. ;-} I would be very careful with that material. He had his own agenda. These verses do not at all refer to the oral traditions of the

RE: COVENANT of the Prophets [Sura 3 verse 81] was [RE: Perennialism]

2005-01-02 Thread Susan Maneck
For a non-Muslim hadith is confusing. There is no consensus as to which hadith are reliable and which are not. Dear Scott, There is a consensus, though it may not be based on the best criteria. But hadiths are usually classed as 'sound' or 'weak' by virtue of their chain of transmission. Dr.

Re: COVENANT of the Prophets [Sura 3 verse 81] was [RE: Perennialism]

2005-01-02 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 23:23:26 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/1/2005 10:02:54 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear Scott, That is precisely Gilberto's point, that Muslims in rejecting any prophet after Muhammad are simply following what

RE: COVENANT of the Prophets [Sura 3 verse 81] was [RE: Perennialism]

2005-01-02 Thread Khazeh Fananapazir
Dear John Smith John Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] May my life be an offering for your kind words. Yes I am a Persian married to an Egyptian... But in relation to writing and style of writing this servant of yours is influenced [or hopes to be influenced by the Advice of the Universal House of

Re: COVENANT of the Prophets [Sura 3 verse 81] was [RE: Perennialism]

2005-01-02 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/2/2005 5:43:35 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's actually kind of interesting. I honestly don't know what verseof the Quran one could site to say one thing or another about the ageof Aishah or her marriage to the prophet.A good article discussing

Re: COVENANT of the Prophets [Sura 3 verse 81] was [RE: Perennialism]

2005-01-02 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 1/2/2005 12:59:59 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Prophet married her (by traditional accounts) when she was seven, but did not consumate the marriage until she was eleven. That seems reasonable to me by the standards of the time. Dear

Re: COVENANT of the Prophets [Sura 3 verse 81] was [RE: Perennialism]

2005-01-02 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 12:09:22 -, Khazeh Fananapazir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I feel very sad as I leave this discussion that after all my missives my brother Gilberto has not read the article this servant co-wrote on the Seal of the Prophets... If he were to really read it without any

Re: COVENANT of the Prophets [Sura 3 verse 81] was [RE: Perennialism]

2005-01-02 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 09:48:46 -0800 (PST), John Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *** Gilberto, it doesn't seem like you are familiar with the Persian Language. It is very flowery. Reading Khazeh's writing styles is like listening to persians speaking among themselves, or like reading persian

RE: COVENANT of the Prophets [Sura 3 verse 81] was [RE: Perennialism]

2005-01-02 Thread John Smith
What is the advise of the Universal House of Justice? Khazeh Fananapazir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear John SmithJohn Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]May my life be an offering for your kind words.Yes I am a Persian married to an Egyptian...But in relation to writing and style of writing this servant of

Religion is a Choice and Baha'i is Good

2005-01-02 Thread Ron Stephens
In this day and age, and from now on, religion is a choice. Maybe it wasn't this way when the Islamic armies swept across the middle of Eurasia. Maybe it wasn't this way in Medieval Europe when there was an Inquisition. But now, most people can choose to join any religion they want to, or no

Re: The Perfect Man [was COVENANT of the Prophets [Sura 3 verse 81] was [RE: Perennialism]

2005-01-02 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 23:14:01 -, Khazeh Fananapazir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Gilberto Simpson Today in your letter on the net http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist/m43095.html you write:* To be honest, for me it isn't about liking or disliking the concept. I'm not saying that

Re: The Perfect Man

2005-01-02 Thread Don Calkins
At 2:40 PM -0500 1/2/05, Gilberto Simpson wrote: I haven't found a really good concise description of the concept of perfect man in the way I would like, The idea is very old, and has gone thru many variations, especially in Jewish, Persian and Islamic cultures. The oldest versions are at least

Re: The Perfect Man

2005-01-02 Thread Don Calkins
At 4:38 PM -0500 1/2/05, Gilberto Simpson wrote: 3. More generally, if you really look at Sufism and realize that it is a living part of Islam, and really appreciate its function, then I think it is alot harder for Bahais to make the case that Islam (in the sense of following the Quran, and

Rasul and Nabi

2005-01-02 Thread Tim Nolan
Dear Susan, Gilberto and Kazeh, I hope you will not mind a non-scholar coming late into this conversation about the Seal of the Prophets. I have a few questions. My understanding is that "Nabi" refers to a prophet or warner who does not bring a book, and who does not establish a religion. These

Re: Rasul and Nabi

2005-01-02 Thread Dean Betts
Dear Tim, For me, the following confirms what you say below: XXV. It is evident that every age in which a Manifestation of God hath lived is divinely ordained, and may, in a sense, be characterized as God's appointed Day. This Day, however, is unique, and is to be distinguished from those

Re: The Perfect Man [was COVENANT of the Prophets [Sura 3 verse 81] was [RE: Perennialism]

2005-01-02 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:15:25 -0600, Don Calkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 9:43 PM -0500 1/2/05, Gilberto Simpson wrote: But then once you say that religions are progressive then you end up ranking the religions according to how old they are and you can't help but insult the religions which

RE: Religion is a Choice and Baha'i is Good

2005-01-02 Thread Susan Maneck
Ron, Ron, Ron. What are we going to do with you? Can you not see how you employ some of those same 'hard core verbal techniques of persuasion' you imply others use? But I'll get back to that. The same Iqan also, in numerous places, resorts to *logic* and common sense* and *science* as

RE: Rasul and Nabi

2005-01-02 Thread Khazeh Fananapazir
Dearest Tim Nolan Thanks for your interest My few days of holiday are over and my series of letters on this list now truly at an end. This may well be the “seal of the letters which I can! humbly write…but in answer to your question I would beg you to look carefully at this section of a paper