Re: RE: alcohol in meals

2006-08-03 Thread Don Calkins
Title: Re: RE: alcohol in meals At 10:30 PM -0500 8/2/06, Hasan Elias wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi: don't get why recent past Prophets as the Bb or Muhammad did not forbid it. Huh? Muhammad and the Bab did forbid it. What about Jesus, Moses or the other Manifestations? I

RE: alcohol in meals - and gambling

2006-08-03 Thread Monder M Zbaeda
Very well so my friend. The verses I quoted were only in response to alcohol issue with respect to Muhammad etc. Other issues such as gambling, pig meat etc weren't the issue of discussion. Much love, MonderHasan Elias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I infer that gambling as source of bahá’ís

Re: RE: alcohol in meals

2006-08-03 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On 8/2/06, Hasan Elias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: don't get why recent past Prophets as the Báb or Muhammad did not forbid it. Huh? Muhammad and the Bab did forbid it. What about Jesus, Moses or the other Manifestations? I won't comment on Jesus and Moses

Re: RE: alcohol in meals

2006-08-03 Thread Scott Saylors
To the list in general and Gilberto in particular,I think the question as to why Jesus or Moses were mute on this particular question is tied up with the concept of "progressive revelation". This concept is not really acceptable to Islam in general because Islam believes that the

Re: RE: alcohol in meals

2006-08-03 Thread Monder M Zbaeda
Dear Scott, I don't think there necessarily is a contradiction between accepting the Qur'an as the perfection of the Tourat and the Injeel and 'progressive revelation', per se. Obviously to the Islamic community, progressive may have ended with the Dispensation of Muhammad, but it is

Re: RE: alcohol in meals

2006-08-03 Thread Scott Saylors
Monder M Zbaeda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Dear Scott, I don't think there necessarily is a contradiction between accepting the Qur'an as the perfection of the Tourat and the Injeel and 'progressive revelation', per se. Obviously to the Islamic community, progressive may have ended with

Re: RE: alcohol in meals

2006-08-03 Thread smaneck
What about Jesus, Moses or the other Manifestations? Jesus and Moses did not. You have to keep in mind that in this time period water was not save to drink and people didn't know about boiling it. But wine was often mixed with water which disinfected it. Also, in those days it was not

Re: RE: alcohol in meals - and gambling

2006-08-03 Thread smaneck
I infer that gambling as source of bahá?ís funds is forbidden (also gambling as an occupation is inadvisable), but I don?t think it is completely forbidden for recreation purposes. As far as individuals are concerned, we have carefully studied the Writings of 'Abdu'l-Bahá and Shoghi

Re: RE: alcohol in meals

2006-08-03 Thread smaneck
My recollection is that alcohol is only gradually prohibited in the Qur'an itself. At first the Qur'an merely says there is good and bad in wine, but the bad exceeds the good. Then it says don't go to prayer drunk, something hard to do if you imbibe at all and pray five times a day. Afterwards

Re: RE: alcohol in meals

2006-08-03 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On 8/3/06, Scott Saylors [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To the list in general and Gilberto in particular, I think the question as to why Jesus or Moses were mute on this particular question is tied up with the concept of progressive revelation. If you believe in the Bible, they weren't just mute

Re: RE: alcohol in meals

2006-08-03 Thread Scott Saylors
Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:If you believe in the Bible, they weren't just mute on this particularquestion. Important rituals in the old and new testament involvedrinking wine. If you do a search on "wine" in the Bible you actuallyfind a lot of quotes.Absolutely! But

Re: RE: alcohol in meals - and gambling

2006-08-03 Thread Hasan Elias
Hi Susan, I have played Bingo, poker, etc. in family meetings (there are azar games)... In the other hand (azar games as recreation to earn a bit money ;-) Are you saying that we cannot play lottery anytime? If so, how did you come to infer that? If there is an authoritative interpretation, I’d