Re: You never really know: transsexual or gay?

2006-10-30 Thread smaneck
So what will the Faith accept as defining gender? What medical experts say? Chromosomes? Body appearance? What the person believes his or her gender to be? If a female changes to a male and later enrolls in the Faith, can he serve on the House? If a male is born with ambiguous

Re: You never really know: transsexual or gay?

2006-10-30 Thread Hasan Elias
First off, sorry but I can't imagine one person "changes" sex, it sounds ridiculous to me. I’m not a pro in this, but I think very few heterosexual-homosexual cases have biological or genetic implications; the majority has psycho-sociological antecedents. So what will the Faith accept as

Re: You never really know: transsexual or gay?

2006-10-30 Thread Scott Saylors
Mind and Body are not seperate from each other in this plane of existence, anyway.The source of much physical suffering is prompted by the mind.The cases of pseudo-hermaphroditism are definitely from the body, not the mind. The events of genital ambiguity are definitely of the body, not

Re: You never really know: transsexual or gay?

2006-10-30 Thread Richard H. Gravelly
Perhaps you gentlemen can help me, in the context of your discussion, understand this verse as saying what you have written below. AS this physical frame is the throne of the inner temple, whatever occurs to the former is felt by the latter. In reality that which takes delight in joy or is

Re: You never really know: transsexual or gay?

2006-10-30 Thread Gilberto Simpson
Interestingly enough, some muftis have actually ruled sympathetically on this issue. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3657727.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/4115535.stm On 10/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what will the Faith accept as

Re: You never really know: transsexual or gay?

2006-10-30 Thread Scott Saylors
Richard,I'll have to sit and cogitate awhile to answer that. Please put up with me.Scott"Richard H. Gravelly" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps you gentlemen can help me, in the context of your discussion, understand this verse as saying what you have written below.AS this

Re: You never really know: transsexual or gay?

2006-10-30 Thread Scott Saylors
Gilberto,It does not surprise me at all that some of the mufti would speak sympathetically about any question which might be so central to one believer's understanding of the confusions they face in life.Baha`i's have no monopoly on compassion.Regards, ScottGilberto Simpson [EMAIL

Re: You never really know: transsexual or gay?

2006-10-30 Thread Richard H. Gravelly
To wait for what isgood is good. Richard. - Original Message - From: Scott Saylors To: Baha'i Studies Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 3:07 PM Subject: Re: You never really know: transsexual or gay? Richard, I'll have to sit and cogitate awhile to

Re: You never really know: transsexual or gay?

2006-10-30 Thread Scott Saylors
Richard brought these words of the Bab to our attention: "AS this physical frame is the throne of the inner temple, whatever occurs to the former is felt by the latter. In reality that which takes delight in joy or is saddened by pain is the inner temple of the body, not the body itself.

Re: You never really know: transsexual or gay?

2006-10-30 Thread kgould
Bob, Please share wherein the Writingsyou foundany reference to the spirit having a gender that it would have to havea bodycongruent to? My sense has been that the body genderis the clue to the lessons to be learned, not an indicator of spiritual gender. Please share if you have anything on this.

Re: You never really know: transsexual or gay?

2006-10-30 Thread Iskandar Hai, M.D.
If one party to a marriage has gender assignment surgery some time later, after the marriage, I'd think that the other party might in all likelihood want to get a divorce. I don't think that the other party will want to stay in that marriage. Unless there was sort of secret collusion or agreement

Re: You never really know: transsexual or gay?

2006-10-30 Thread Hasan Elias
I agree with Iskandar."Iskandar Hai, M.D." [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi: If one party to a marriage has gender assignment surgery some time later,after the marriage, I'd think that the other party might in all likelihoodwant to get a "divorce". I don't think that the other party will want