Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc.

2007-01-07 Thread smaneck
They were basically rejected posts intended for soc.religion.bahai which I felt you were mischaracterizing and then rejecting. That doesn't give you the right to bring it here. As I said, you are no longer welcome on this forum. The information contained in this e-mail and any

RE: The Passing of James Mock

2007-01-07 Thread Khazeh
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Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc.

2007-01-07 Thread Loïc ROYER
I agree that this freedom should be used in one mind : to grow up in knowledge, wisdom, and peacefull unification of humanity. Used in this purpose, it is of course tempered with respect of others' believes, and diplomacy! Anyway, I see some risks of censorship when I read some baha'i

Re: Holy Grail

2007-01-07 Thread Loïc ROYER
Native from Britanny, in a very catholic family, I have been told about these legends since I was 3! These stories are mixing celtic paganism with roman christianity: - Merlin the enchanter is a wizard of the old celtic religion, living in forests, legendary being stripped of its knowledge and

re: Young earth creationism - expiry date - ?

2007-01-07 Thread Loïc ROYER
Hey! I don't know what you mean about Young Earth creationism. Can you please give us more explainations more about this? As a Christian Baha'i, I can assure you that christians people make a clear difference between the Faith in the 7 days of creation of the world (as exposed in the Genese of

Re: How much of Islamic culture is actually Arab?

2007-01-07 Thread Loïc ROYER
lol just sent a post on an other discussion where I wrote: I cannot imagine that all humanity should first learn persian or arabic, to be able to understand the Writings! Would we be more or better baha'i if we take a persian name? ;-) Loïc The information contained in this e-mail and

Re: Year of patience

2007-01-07 Thread Loïc ROYER
I always believe that the object of the law is more important than the law itself. What is the object of the Year of patience? To give a chance, to avoid the divorce, by thinking alone, discussing with others, speaking with the other, hearing the other, and maybe understanding that the couple

Re: re: Young earth creationism - expiry date - ?

2007-01-07 Thread smaneck
As a Christian Baha'i, I can assure you that christians people make a clear difference between the Faith in the 7 days of creation of the world (as exposed in the Genese of the Bible)and the scientific knowledge about creation of the Earth, life, and humanity! Perhaps it seems idiot, but

Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc.

2007-01-07 Thread smaneck
Anyway, I see some risks of censorship when I read some baha'i publications that have been reviewed, corrected, validated, re-reviewed... Dear Loic, What 're-reviewed' are you talking about? warmest, Susan The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto

Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc.

2007-01-07 Thread Benjamin La Framboise
Dear Loïc, It doesn't appear to me that your simple example A simple word of the Faith : the Bayan, which could be easily translated in french by l'Annonce or l'Explication, but people are so afraid to translate that they keep the Bayan in their writings. is, at all, an example of baha'i

Re: Year of patience

2007-01-07 Thread Scott Saylors
There's another very important reason for the Year: To protect the dignity of both parties. Regards, Scott Loïc ROYER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always believe that the object of the law is more important than the law itself. What is the object of the Year of patience? To give a

Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc.

2007-01-07 Thread Loïc ROYER
Dear Ben, It seems I have made some exagerations by writing re-reviewed by dozens of people, councils, assemblies... SORRY for this! What I meant is that I sometimes feel worried when I see so many warnings at the beginning or at the end of some Baha'i writings. examples given: this text has

Re: re: Young earth creationism - expiry date - ?

2007-01-07 Thread Loïc ROYER
Dear Susan, You are right, I have to make the precision. I was talking about Christians people you can meet in Europe : Roman Catholics, Protestants, Anglicans, Orthodox catholics... Here in France there are also evangelicals people but they are a very little minority (even if very active!)

Re: re: Young earth creationism - expiry date - ?

2007-01-07 Thread smaneck
You are right, I have to make the precision. I was talking about Christians people you can meet in Europe : Roman Catholics, Protestants, Anglicans, Orthodox catholics... Dear Loic, Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm under the impression that French Catholics aren't all that religious

Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc.

2007-01-07 Thread smaneck
What I meant is that I sometimes feel worried when I see so many warnings at the beginning or at the end of some Baha'i writings. examples given: this text has been translated by the X committee, reviewed by the Y committee, approved by Z, and might be later corrected by ZZ... Dear Loic,

Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc.

2007-01-07 Thread smaneck
A simple word of the Faith : the Bayan, which could be easily translated in french by l'Annonce or l'Explication, but people are so afraid to translate that they keep the Bayan in their writings. Dear Loic, When it appears in the Writings we do translate it, normally as 'utterance'

Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc.

2007-01-07 Thread Scott Saylors
Loïc ROYER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Ben, It seems I have made some exagerations by writing re-reviewed by dozens of people, councils, assemblies... SORRY for this! We must take care about freedom of believes, thoughts and speeches, for everyone! ;-) Loïc I

Re: Year of patience

2007-01-07 Thread Loïc ROYER
Dear Scott, I didn't thought about this, but it looks very important indeed. but once the separation is effective, and one or the other is in love with someone else, the dignity of both is lost... So I believe this is one more reason to consider that regarding the year of patience, soonest is

Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc.

2007-01-07 Thread smaneck
Dear Scott, It would be a mistake to interpret the House's April 7 letter as an attack on the notion of academic freedom. What they are criticizing is the attempt to misuse the term in a Baha'i religious context. Academic freedom is the freedom of teachers, students, and academic

Re: Year of patience

2007-01-07 Thread Scott Saylors
Loïc ROYER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Scott, I didn't thought about this, but it looks very important indeed. but once the separation is effective, and one or the other is in love with someone else, the dignity of both is lost... So I believe this is one more reason to

Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc.

2007-01-07 Thread Scott Saylors
I agree completely. The reference is to individuals who sought their own objectives and used the 'mask' of academic freedom to hide their agenda. It is a specific not a general reference. Regards, Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Scott, It would be a mistake to interpret the

Re: re: Young earth creationism - expiry date - ?

2007-01-07 Thread Loïc ROYER
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 7:05 PM Subject: Re: re: Young earth creationism - expiry date - ? You are right, I have to make the precision. I was talking about Christians people you can meet in

Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc.

2007-01-07 Thread smaneck
I have heard about these evangelical religions, they look to be more efficient than us in terms of number of conversions! ;-) Dear Loic, Yes, there seems to be resurgence of conservatism and literalism in religion all over the world. Our retention, bad as it is, is a bit better however.

Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc.

2007-01-07 Thread Prema
Dear Susan I've been following this discussion with increasing interest. You mentioned that: That is one of the reasons Baha'u'llah often gave people titles equivalent to the numerical value of their names. Do you know of any examples, or could cite me a source where I could read more about

Re: Year of patience

2007-01-07 Thread smaneck
Personaly I have never felt this repugnance toward my ex-wife. I always respect and appreciate her. but when I realized I was in love with someone else (and not just for a temporary pleasure time) I have prefered to talk with her about this. Dear Loic, I do not think that falling in love

Re: Year of patience

2007-01-07 Thread Scott Saylors
By that I meant other than that general statement, I wasn't going to say more about my experience or my wife's. Regards, Scott Loïc ROYER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok so you know what we are talking about. and I believe you don't feel repugnance for your ex-wife...? My