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I know a Baha'i scholar here who says he met a grandson of Abdul Baha.
I'm not sure which grandson, but the man made it clear his father
broke the covenant. He broke all ties with his father and stood
steadfast in the cause. Not once did he claim the role of
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Dear Minhaj Khan,
I would truly be grateful if you could provide some references for your
statement that Abdul Baha never claimed that the guardianship was meant to
be a permanent institution [and] The Kitab-i-Aqdas makes it clear that
leadership will pass from the
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Read the Kitab-i-Adqas and the Will and Testament of Abdul-Baha. It is all
in completely and clearly in there I assure you. Try the indexes. That is
what I did. Best of luck in your research!
Sincerely,
Shamim Bina
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I would truly be grateful if you could provide some references for your
statement that Abdul Baha never claimed that the guardianship was meant to
be a permanent institution [and] The Kitab-i-Aqdas makes it clear that
leadership will pass from the Aghsan to the
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I'm having some difficulty understanding this. Who might this grandson have
been?
My understanding is that before Shoghi Effendi passed away, all the aghsan
had, unfortunately, broken the Covenant. No?
Who is this Baha'i scholar? And can you please ask him/her to give
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Declarations cards' terminlogy is too vague.
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Covenants have special terminology. According to the Bible and Hebrew they are
cut and entered into rather than made. Is there a dictionary or encyclopedia of
covenant related terms.
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Can a Baha'i be the return of someone?
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Declarations cards' terminlogy is too vague.
Dear Stephen,
It assumes the person signing has enough background information to
understand what the items mentioned on the card are referring to. If
they don't it might be too early for them to declare.
warmest, Susan
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Covenants have special terminology. According to the Bible and Hebrew they
are cut and entered into rather than made. Is there a dictionary or
encyclopedia of covenant related terms.
I don't know what you mean by 'cut.'
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Can a Baha'i be the return of someone?
By 'return' we don't mean reincarnation, we mean the return of certain
qualities or functions of figures in the past. For instance, according
to the Bible John the Baptist is the 'return' of Elijah. Could a
Baha'i be a 'return'
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Good luck with that, Steve.
Fred Glaysher has managed to alienate virtually everyone who has tried
to join his group.
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Stephen Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote:
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I have read Frederick Glaysher's 95 Theses and
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No, I'm not joining his group. Just going on a haiatus from any religion at all.
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Subject: Re: Individual Conscience
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No, I'm not joining his group. Just going on a haiatus from any religion at
all.
Oh, okay. I think it is unfortunate that you are leaving the Faith
without really having connected with a real Baha'i community.
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No, I'm not joining his group. Just going on a haiatus from any religion at all.
Scratch that last part, I'm not going to be secular. I just agree with his list
of grievances.
I dont' like the
Sexism ( no females on UHJ )
Authoritarianism (the Baha'i Faith is
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Authoritarianism (the Baha'i Faith is run like North Korea)
Dear Steve,
How would you know that if you've not had any contact with the Baha'i
community in real life?
Dependent Truth (hypocrisy regarding Baha'is not being allowed to verify
the Baha'i Faith's
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I've assertained it from observing the behavior of Baha'is on this list versus
the Baha'i Faith's claim (Haifan/Heterodox) only.
It also verified unwittingly the criticisms that some Christians and Muslims
online have made.
Baha'is are paranoid about Baha'is of
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How do I officially sease being a Heterodox Baha'i?
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I've assertained it from observing the behavior of Baha'is on this list
versus the Baha'i Faith's claim (Haifan/Heterodox) only.
Dear Steve,
If you consider Baha'is loyal to the House of Justice 'heterodox' what
are you considering 'orthodox'?
Baha'is are paranoid
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If you no longer believe in Baha'u'llah the best way to do this is to
write a letter to that effect to the National Spiritual Assembly and
ask to be removed from the rolls.
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Stephen Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote:
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Spin, I still believe in Baha'u'llah.
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Subject: Re: Help Officically Disenrolling
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If you
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Spin, I still believe in Baha'u'llah.
Not spin. That is what a person should disavow if they wish to be
removed from the rolls. But the House of Justice does give some more
specifics which you can read here:
http://bahai-library.com/?file=uhj_withdrawal_faith
You
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You keep calling those of us who follow the Universal House of Justice
'heterodox.' What exactly are we heterodox about?
And more precisely, what is the orthodox position? What is your
scriptural basis for believing this to be true?
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That's the term I see on the internet on several sites. I don't really
understand what the term means, but it's the only differentiater I know to use.
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Shoghi Effendi delayed the establishment of the Universal House of Justice
during his lifetime because every country didn't have an NSA at that time. Even
in 1963, communist countries suppresed the faith and they didn't have NSAs. The
Universal House of Justice must
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That's the term I see on the internet on several sites. I don't really
understand what the term means, but it's the only differentiater I know to
use.
Steve,
Do you realize what you are doing? You are embracing a position you
don't really understand. Heterodox is a
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Shoghi Effendi delayed the establishment of the Universal House of Justice
during his lifetime because every country didn't have an NSA at that time.
Even in 1963, communist countries suppresed the faith and they didn't have
NSAs. The Universal House of Justice must
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There was no UHJ in their lifetimes. They didn't say if it was temp or perm.
Shoghi Effendi allowed women on the International Baha'i Council which was the
infant UHJ.
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Can you show us the passages where Shoghi Effendi insists that *every*
country must have an NSA and 'every spot on earth' an LSA before the
House of Justice can be elected?
Dear Steve,
I would appreciate it if you would address this part of my questions.
warmest,
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The scholar is Mr Pirooz Fazli living in Hyderabad, India. He told me
that he was well acquainted with Ruhiyyih Khanum and a couple of other
Hands of the Cause. I'll probably be meeting him tomorrow, I'll ask
him for the names.
All the Aghsan did break the covenant.
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