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From: Gary Selchert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How (if at all) does this approach to covenants relate to the not-a-Deal,
not-a-Contract view of the meaning of a Divine Covenant.
Gary, I do not know the meaning of not-a-Baha'i-not-a-Contract
Dear Friends:
1. What is your assessment of the Hudson Institute--Center for Islamic
Studies.
2. What is your assessment of the scholarship of Andrew Boston?
Thank you.
Richard.
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From: Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2. What is your assessment of the scholarship of Andrew Boston?
He is not recognized as a scholar within academia. He's a medical
doctor who publishes anti-Islamic propaganda.
Thank you Susan. He presented a very interesting
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From: Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Susan wrote:
and so far as I know he
doesn't know the original languages.
That is rather odd for one who insists that he has studied the religion for
forty yeears.
Richard.
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I wouldn't so characterize it Gilberto. The Founder described it thus:
This is the changeless Faith of God, eternal in the past, eternal in the
future. Let him that seeketh, attain it; and as to him that hath refused to
seek it -- verily, God is Self-Sufficient, above any need of His creatures.
Gilberto wrote:
uncreatedness of the Quran and God's attributes. (i.e. Is God's speech
eternal and/or distinct from Allah?)
Gilberto, no matter how people seek to characterize the Religion or the
Words of God, this will always be true:
He it is Who shapes you in the wombs as He pleases. There
Thanks Susan. If you find one please let me know.
Richard.
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From: Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 6:34 PM, Richard H. Gravelly
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Do you have a link to a recitation? I would much enjoy hearing it.
I tried to get
Unfortunately, on my computer, I get the English and music in the
background. I cannot concentrate on the Arabic.
Richard.
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From: Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpQarRSlrcw
Unfortunately the pronounciation is very Persian.
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From: Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: The first sixteen bishops
That translation is atypical.
Dear Gilberto,
The Sale translation is, according to Shoghi Effendi, the most
Do you have a link to a recitation? I would much enjoy hearing it.
Richard.
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From: Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: Transliterating the Short Obligatory Prayer from Arabic.
Is there another site available?
Richard.
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From: Khazeh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Cc: 'swords-a-flashin'' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 11:47 AM
Subject: RE: Transliterating the Short Obligatory Prayer from Arabic.
Dear Friends.
Were not the first fifteen bishops of Jerusalem all circumcised Jews, and
had not the congregation over which they presided united the laws of Moses
with the doctrine of Christ?
(Shoghi Effendi, The World Order of Baha'u'llah, p. 57)
The part of this quotation that I have put in
I apologise Friends. The statement is not verbatim. Shoghi Effendi cites
fifteen bishops
Richard.
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change the Guardian makes is turning it into a
question.
warmest, Susan
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 5:46 AM, Richard H. Gravelly
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Dear Friends.
Were not the first fifteen bishops of Jerusalem all circumcised Jews,
and
had not the congregation over which they presided
verbatim here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=26cMYAAJpg=PA160lpg=PA160dq=first+fi
fteen+bishops+Jerusalem+circumcised+Jewssource=webots=dTMFDZ53Bksig=OMRiw
JzIdQfp3Ju2_pQq0FnAeBkhl=ensa=Xoi=book_resultresnum=7ct=result
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 5:57 AM, Richard H. Gravelly
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From: Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
. Did Richard just share the quote from Gibbon / Shoghi
Effendi out of the blue is it somehow conneected to a previous
discussion?
Gilberto, in searching for the quotation regarding fifteen bishops, I
Googled sixteen bishops
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From: Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No. The Qu'ran speaks of Jews, not Judaizers.
warmest, Susan
That depends upon the translation. The following are from Sale.
Richard.
2:62
Surely those who believe, and those who Judaize, and Christians, and
Sabians, whoever
When this issue first appeared on this list; I had not the chance to read
Gilberto's comments. I agree with Gilberto that the phrase has broad
implications. Yet it appears, it comes first from the utterance of a
Manifestation.
I believe that it is in the Qur'an that we first read it.
And
Benjamin La Framboise asked the question:
Does this conversation count as a quarrel, a conflict, a dispute?
Baha'is are allowed a certain amount of latitude in their discussions:
The shining spark of truth cometh forth only after the clash of differing
opinions. (Abdu'l-Baha, Selections from the
, Richard H. Gravelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Uncharacteristically Susan, you misunderstood the reason for my quoting
that
particular passage. We do not teach Jews in Israel. We do not teach
anyone
in Israel.
Look at the context in which I posted the quote and give it some thought.
Richard
(Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 288)
On 3/26/08, Richard H. Gravelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Am I to understand you to intend to say: This Word of Baha'u'llah
resolves
nothing?
Richard.
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Thank God for the Covenant!
Dominus vobiscum.
Richard.
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From: Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The same theme, it seems to me, is expressed by Baha'u'llah in the
following:
If any man were to meditate on that which the Scriptures, sent down from
the heaven of
accepted
the Faith.
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Richard H. Gravelly
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That you cannot see the issue, context, etc. is rather clear from your
responses. But then the post was not directed to you in the first instance.
Dominus vobiscum.
Richard.
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I think that you have all missed the point. The issue has nothing to do with
who is better than whom it is a matter of the individual's responsibility to
turn to God upon His Appearance. Shoghi Effendi has clearly described the
condition of humankind in this regard:
Unmitigated indifference
My initial statement was to the effect: The problem, if you will is that
nether has accepted the Faith. It is my opinion that failure to obey God
is at the root of all contention. As a matter of fact; as Abdu'l-Baha put
it:
Remember how Adam and the others once dwelt together in Eden. No
I don't know.
Richard.
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From: Benjamin La Framboise
Does this conversation count as a quarrel, a conflict, a dispute?
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Richard H. Gravelly
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My initial statement was to the effect: The problem, if you
Susan, you know I forwarded my reply to you as a clarification to another
list by inadvertent error. By the way, when you called it to my attention,
I sent an apology by reply but the Mailer Daemon sent it back. Why? And
why do you represent one error as forwarding the messages
posted here
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From: Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Susan, you know I forwarded my reply to you as a clarification to another
list by inadvertent error.
What do you mean you forwarded it as a clarification? A clarification of
what?
The punctuation of my first reply was
The problem, if you will is that neither have accepted the Faith.
Richard.
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From: Lara Kearns
To: Baha'i Studies
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 12:36 PM
Subject: Fwd: Jewish/Arab Peace Song
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, Mar 26, 2008 at 5:18 PM, Richard H. Gravelly
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The problem, if you will is that neither have accepted the Faith.
Richard.
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Christian or Muslim would not the say the same?
This resolves nothing. It just makes us like all the other religions
making exclusive claims.
On 3/26/08, Richard H. Gravelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I believe you have closely described the matter. In the Writings, it
seems
to me, it has been put
of the spirit, it clotheth the words with
meaning, it is the fountain of the light of wisdom and
understanding
(Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 288)
On 3/26/08, Richard H. Gravelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Am I to understand you to intend to say: This Word of Baha'u'llah
How many times did Mirza Abu'l Fadl read the Kitab-i-Iqan before it made sense
to him?
Richard.
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From: David Friedman
To: Baha'i Studies
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 12:44 AM
Subject: The Brilliant Proof
I have read this treatisebefore. It was
I would think that a rational mind would be sufficient to eliminate most of the
programmes. Of course, if one is doing a sociological/anthropological study;
one might want to examine what is being conveyed and what is being absorbed.
Richard.
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From: David
22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest,
and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt
offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of. (King James
Bible, Genesis)
thine only son could only have referred to Ishmael.
Richard.
Yes. It is very interesting.
guard your eyes against that which is not seemly.
(Baha'u'llah, Tablets of Baha'u'llah, p. 27)
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From: David Friedman
To: Baha'i Studies
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 3:42 AM
Subject: House letter to me
You may find
Please feel free to independently investigate anything at any time. For
example: you are hereby given explicit and irrevocable permission to
independently investigate the meaning of Dominus vobiscum.
Dominus vobiscum.
richard.
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From: maidenhairleaf
To: Baha'i Studies
In the words of my paternal parent: Don't mention it.
Dominus vobiscum.
richard.
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From: maidenhairleaf
thank you !!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Subject: Re: Criticism of One Common Faith
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 08:51:38 -0800
Please
.
The Lord be with you,
Dean
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From: Richard H. Gravelly [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: Criticism of One Common Faith
Please feel free to independently investigate anything at any time
My responses are within quotation marks.
Richard.
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From: firestorm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
richard,
:I see him as a critic of the frivolity of both the economies and the
societies.
posssibly. he's complaining, for sure. but, imho since he lacks what ian might
call some
My comments are in quotation marks.
Dominus vobiscum.
Richard.
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From: Berni Lenihan
As the twentieth century approached its close, therefore, nothing seemed
less likely than a sudden resurgence of religion as a subject of consuming
global importance. Yet that is
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From: firestorm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: Contributors to One Common Faith
richard,
:-)
:Veblen insisted that if one was not aware of the particular references to
which he
Veblen insisted that if one was not aware of the particular references to which
he alluded then the book would do the reader little or no good. All of the
Writings of the Faith and of the authoritative portion of the Administrative
Order, expect a certain literacy regarding the near past.
I would appreciate one or two specific references in OCF which substantiate
your objections. I am simply curious; simply because the commentary follows
the same pattern and presents the same expectations regarding the reader's
literacy as do Secrets of Divine Civilization; the World Order Letters
Well, at the very least, it certainly appears that the Century of Light
does not propose deconstructionism as a tool for resolving any major
issues facing mankind:
Against the background of this desolate landscape the intellectual vogue of
the age, seeking to make a virtue out of grim necessity,
Thank you for your reply Firestorm. Rand had an excellent understanding that
absolute good is objectivity and absolute evil is subjectivity.
Objectivity was referenced to usefulness for an immutable purpose. The
standard is therefore immutable. What is immutable is absolute. The
relativity of
I wonder, if in your discussion of deconstructionism you will explain the
use of the term in the context of its use in the phrase which follows; with,
if possible, special reference to what is signified in the phrases
intellectual vogue of the age and grim necessity.
Against the background of
and immediately and
permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard H.
Gravelly
Sent: November 2, 2007 2:34 PM
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Subject: Re: Deconstructionism
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From: Albert Verbrugh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Baha'i International Community over the years since 1982 had lot's to
say about this. Not to many Baha'is are knowledgeable to see the
significance of this event. the list masters Bahai_Community rejected the
article
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From: Dean Betts
To: Baha'i Studies
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 8:56 PM
Subject: Bayan
Did Baha'u'llah, either explicitly or implicitly, repeal, or render
irrelevant, all the
laws of the Bayan?
Though the teachings of the Bayan have
The responsibility lies with both the believer and those who have ignored
the Faith. I saw and heard of the Faith several times over a period of
ofthirty-years before I had any idea what it could possibly be. Because of
the way we are taught, religion is static, not progressive. Also, we are
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From: Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is he (David) a prophet without a book Like Abraham? Was he (David) a
lesser prophet?
That quote from the Iqan seems to be saying that David was a
Manifestation?
Dear Sandi,
Keep in mind that the Iqan uses the term
Woodrow Wilson was affected by the Kitab-i-Aqdas because: So vast is its
range that it hath encompassed
all men ere their recognition of it. (Baha'u'llah, The Kitab-i-Aqdas, p.
16)
richard.
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From: Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Baha'i Studies
/07, Richard H. Gravelly wrote:
Is that a joke question?
I've known Mark on-line since before he set up Studies as an
alternative to Talisman.
Don C
--
Understood properly, all man's problems are essentially spiritual in
nature.
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I gave sthe principles to my Spanish secretary. I will let you know of
her reaction, if you are interested.
Richard.
dear friends,
I have been developing a 'index' of bahai principles, I could gather 24
principles, and I have not been able to find more.
I would take a lot in translating to
How do you define luck?
Richard.
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I am unable to refute the idea that luck can be involved in one's
salvation.
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The Revelation being scientific in its method brings to mind the manner in
which Abraham, first asserts the falsity of His father's worship and then
demonstrates through acceptance of the hypothesis, observation of the
phenomenon that is visible to all; and then His inescapable conclusion. The
How does one scientifically demonstrate that the Revelation is scientific
in its method? I know of only two methods accepted by most scientists.
One is referred to as the scientific method; the other could be known as
tracking because it is used to study phenomena which cannot be controlled,
as
IDo you think that converts to Islam take Arab names because
Arab culture is perceived as somehow more authentically Muslim?
Yes, I do. After all, the religion arose amonst Arabs, the Qur'an is
revealed in good Arabic, Muhammad was an Arab, the religion was carried
far and wide by the Arab
Perhaps you gentlemen can help me, in the
context of your discussion, understand this verse as saying what you have
written below.
AS this physical frame is the throne of the
inner temple, whatever occurs to the former is felt by the latter. In reality
that which takes delight in joy or is
to answer that. Please put up with
me.
Scott"Richard H. Gravelly" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Perhaps you gentlemen can help me, in
the context of your discussion, understand this verse as saying what you
have written below.
AS this physical frame is
1. Abdu'l-Baha refers, as well, to Mary
Magdelena as the reason for the return of the faith of the
disciples.
"O maid-servant of God! Verily, Mary, the
Magdalene, was a villager, but she kept firm in the Cause of Christ and
confirmed the apostles at the time she declared to them (thus):
Dear Friends:
In the following verse,does the
oriingal word translated as "sciences" refer to physical sciences as well as to
non-physical sciences?
For God doth not ask you of your sciences, but of
your faith and of your conduct.
(Baha'u'llah, The Summons of the Lord of
Hosts, p.
I would expect that if the Eternal Youth is reflected in your heart.
Richard.
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From: Dean Betts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: When does one cease to be a youth?
Physically, I am
Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:. But there are more potentialjustifications for bending the truth in the Bahaivalue system. -Gilberto Actually Gilberto, I would offer that there is more freedom to exercise one's conscience within the Faith; but no room whatever for personal
Firestarter,
Another way of looking at it, which may be tantamount to the same
reality, I suspect; may, perhaps, begin with: Every word is endowed with a
spirit. One would seek then to discover the spirit of each word; and speak
or write accordingly. This search to discover that spirit
.
But do you understand why it seems weird?
I believe I answered this question on the other list Gilberto. Allow me
however to add that as we know God only through His Manifestation of
Himself; and that Point is the Person of the Manifestation, i.e. that
physical being is the Point of the
Thank you Firestarter. I have difficulty with the language. I must however
give credit to Dr. Mark Foster for insisting that words have no meaning.
They are social constructs. I knew that could not be the whole story.
Nevertheless, I must thank him because I was then, after a considerable
time,
Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: So saying that Abdul-Baha, Guardian, UHJ had the same infallibility asBahaullah would also be shirk?Gilberto, Your question is of extreme importance and requires a clear answer. Here is a short excerpt from Abdu'l-Baha's explanation of
Gilberto wrote
But still, in terms of the earlier discussion, it is not clear why
saying non-prophets are sinless should be considered shirk.
There are many ways, I believe, that the issue can be approached. I offer
one.
Only the Manifestations of God have the two stations. The rest of us
Iskandar Hai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Q, He even calls the Shi`ah "mushrik"for holding such a view. Am I correct in surmising that "mushrik" would be translated "plasphemous" in English? Richard. The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto ("e-mail")
now... do i personally think that the 4 named Gospellers were among 12
unnamed people who did a lot of road trips with Christ, and some not, and
who may be archtypes for the 12 tribes of israel?
Baha'u'llah
That, firestorm, was certainly a refreshing portrayal of the issue. One
would think
Dear Tim: I would want to know if, in translation, there is a difference
between world of the Kingdom and next world. Sometimes, I believe,
next world is equivalent to world to come which in turn refers to the
next Manifestation.
Richard.
Abdu'l Baha has written:
. . . the tests and trials
I would say that it is limited because it is exercised by a being that is
subject to limitations.
Richard.
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From: Simeon Kohlman Rabbani [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: Is there free will in
How about inspired by God and revealed by
Abdu'l-Baha?
and with certain prayers revealed by 'Abdu'l-Bahá
-- such communications constitute in themselves a notable and illuminating
chapter in the history of the unfoldment of the Bahá'í Administrative Order.
(Shoghi Effendi, God Passes By,
How is it then that an individual would like to renounce his belief in God;
and yet, at the same time, be considered by all an sundry to be a believer
in God?
God, desiring to prevent dissension in His religion, has prevented it thus:
The purpose of the Blessed Beauty in entering into this
But in your thread, revealed/inspired seems to be a question of status
for the human participant.
What is relavant, dear Gilberto, is that the Baha'i Revelation as with the
Qur'an is the Revelation of God and confirms what went before.
3 He hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture with
I found it rather instructive to read the article
at the posted URL below in light of the rather terrifying quotation from Shoghi
Effendi.
"It is this same cancerous materialism, born
originally in Europe, carried to excess in the North American continent,
contaminating the Asiatic
I am in receipt thereof.
Richard.
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From:
Tim Nolan
To: Baha'i Studies
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 6:36 PM
Subject: How to know if your prayers are
being answered
First, Will someone please let me know whether this gets posted to the
Gilberto:
Ok. So why do you seem so hesitant and reluctant towards recognizing
the validity is this capacity?
There can be no hesitation in the recognition of what God has created. My
question to you is: If you imply that these intrinsic values are
self-sustaining, i.e. exist without the
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From: Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: question about Islam
On 5/11/06, Richard H. Gravelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto:
Ok. So why do you seem so hesitant
that
be? if that is what you imply.
Richard.
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From: Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: question about Islam
On 5/10/06, Richard H. Gravelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear gilberto,
I am simply
The same way we have the capacity to see the colors God made with the
eyes God gave us.
Your answer seems a bit laconic. Let me see if I understand you. Are you
asserting that intrinsic value exists; therefore it can be seen? If so,
how did the intrinsic value come into existence? Does the
Had Gilberto indicated that he was referring to scientific investigation of
the material world; I certainly would have agreed with him. However the
context of the discourse indicated to me that it was his assertion that man,
through independent investigation of the truth can develop a system of
to disagree but for
some reason it seems like you are pushing towards something else.
On 5/10/06, Richard H. Gravelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto,
What I would say is
that humans have *some* capacity for moral reasoning.
Richard
What ever capacities man may have have been created
Gilberto:
Does that mean that anything goes? Would it be possible for one year
that stealing and raping and murdering are wrong and the next year,
they become virtuous acts? Why or why not?
Dear Gilberto: I am quite pleased that you have joined the issue. I am
certain, however, that there is no
gilberto wrote:
. God's omnipotence doesn't imply for me that
morality can be arbitrary.
Richard.
How could anything that God does be considered arbitrary when He always
warns a people before he destroys them; and without His permission, nothing
can occur?
And of old destroyed we generations
Abdu'l-Baha, being the Center of the Covenant, to
Whom all must submit, all, then, would have had to submit to His decision,
whatever it would have been, in order not to violate the Covenant.
Richard.
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To: Baha'i Studies
Sent: Friday,
Dear Jamie,
Most certainly a book would help. Consider the Kitab-i-Iqan, the Book that
converted Mirza Abu'l-Fazl. However, if he is a Sheikh, and a Sunni Sheikh
at that, you might want to direct him to a Baha'i who is very knowledgeable
and conversant in the knowledge of Islam, as well as
What Manifestation of God has not said I am but a man like you?
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Perhaps that is a very good analogy. If Manifestations descend from
men, why can't men descend from animals?
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Dear Hasan,
In truth, the Sun of Reality cannot be clipsed, nevertheless, its light
apparently does not penetrate the veils that men interpose between
themselves and its brilliance. I believe that Abdu'l-Baha explains this
phenomenon by using the analogy of a cloudy day. At any rate, I had in
Subject: Re: Re: Science and
Religion
Are you
talking merely of His calligraphy or something more? It is clear that the
effect of the poisoning was His trembling hand and shrinkage of physical
power; but His station as the Mouthpiece of God remained intact.
"Rich
Tim, I believe that there is an easier way to
answer the issues regarding evolution. Theit comes from Abdu'l-Baha
Himself.
The first answer to this argument is the fact that
the animal having preceded man is not a proof of the evolution, change and
alteration of the species, nor that man
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Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: Baha'i double standards re: science and religion - ?
David Friedman wrote:
Why is it that we Baha'is say other religionists beliefs
The phrase personal effort was possibly implied from a phrase not unlike
the following.
There can be no doubt whatever that, in consequence of the efforts which
every man may consciously exert and as a result of the exertion of his own
spiritual faculties, this mirror can be so cleansed from the
Thank you very much, Khazeh jan, for your precious time, attention and
scholarship. The links were most helpful; especially the review.
Richard.
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The following verses from the Rodwell translation
of the Qur'an, quoted by Shoghi Effendi in his translation of one of
Baha;u;llah's tablets strike me as unequivocal in terms of how Baha'u'llah
presented them to the Minister in the Suriy-i-Muluk. I wonder then how the
Minister, or any
Susan, are you the one to make such a decision?
Obviously we don't see eye to eye about what constitutes consideration
and respect, so it is best we just part company. You were here as a
guest to begin with and its apparent you've overstayed your welcome.
Susan
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Well, then, I am pleased that Khazeh convinced you to do otherwise.
Richard.
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Susan, are you the one to make such a decision?
In Mark's
I hope that the Baha'is of the time will accept Him whenever He appears.
Richard.
I suppose you could say it was possible, but then we could not be held
responsible for failing to follow Him given the fact that we were told
to regard anyone who appeared before that time as a lying imposter.
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