Re: FAQ

2008-08-31 Thread Scott Saylors
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I don'tknow. I think it might smack of precedential jurispudence for one thing. For another it is easy to direct folks to existinh letters and decisions as they were written rather than digesting things. We havwe plenty of 'FAQ's like Lights of Guidance and

translation request

2008-07-07 Thread Scott Saylors
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EG-IMOD0m0feature=related A friend offers this translation, but is it dependable? I know he is not to any degree fluent, so he is passing along someone else's translation of the speech. I will also check out some other sources as well. Open your eyes. The

Re: Khazeh Fananapazir's Website

2008-06-26 Thread Scott Saylors
Oops! It got sen t by mistake. I spotted a typo in one of Khazeh's unproofread papers, I note it here to make a small contribution to the proofing: Apparent Contradictions A central theme in Bahá'í scholarship is to transcend artificial barriers between faith and reason, and to ft.

Re: Capitalization of Pronouns

2008-04-12 Thread Scott Saylors
I feel that it is a nice way not to have to toss in constant PBUH's into one's thoughts. That being said, I am sure it is not formalized. That being said, one should note that Sen notes that there is no capital letter in Arabic and Persian. Regards, Scott Matt Haase [EMAIL

Re: Capitalization of Pronouns

2008-04-12 Thread Scott Saylors
Capitalization or as an acceptable replacement for constant PBUH's or prerhaps as both? Regards, Scott Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 6:44 PM, Scott Saylors wrote: I feel that it is a nice way not to have to toss in constant PBUH's into one's thoughts

RE: House letter to me

2008-03-13 Thread Scott Saylors
I do not see where you could possibly construe such a thing from the text of the response. Scott David Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma }I sent another letter to the

RE: House letter to me

2008-03-13 Thread Scott Saylors
An individual baha'i is of the age of maturity and therefore an adult. twelve year old is a child, not of the age of maturity. Educating a child appropriately is a requirement oif ADULT Baha`i's. Regards, David Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .hmmessage P {

RE: The Brilliant Proof

2008-03-01 Thread Scott Saylors
You won't find concrete proofs of any spiritual truth because there is no concrete-undeniable evidence in a scientific sense. If all truth is relative then no proof is absolute. Don't expect to have what it is impossible to obtain. Regards, Scott David Friedman [EMAIL

Re: possibility of a woman in Baha'i Faith

2008-02-02 Thread Scott Saylors
All the Manifestations listed are men, but Tahirih, Kadijah, Fatimah and Mary Magdalene are highly venerated. I do not know of any writing that says women cannot be Manifestations in the future. Regards, Scott Hasan Elias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I want to know if in the Baha'i

Re: Crucifixion of Jesus Christ

2008-01-18 Thread Scott Saylors
You can breed a male mule. It's called a Jack. It will be sterile however and incapable of breeding anything. Regards, Scott firestorm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gilberto, :-) after i recalled ur skillset, ur reasoning becomes crystal. excuse me if i am replying to the wrong thread, but i

Re: Did Jesus Die on the Cross?

2008-01-16 Thread Scott Saylors
Okay, The Qur'am stipulates that Jesus did not die upon the cross, but rather He was taken up to God. To me that means that His spirit was taken up and His flesh was left behind. In other words He died, but the manner of His death was not the usual result of crucifixion--in a spiritual

Re: different strokes !

2008-01-07 Thread Scott Saylors
Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the fact that Americans are the only people who think you can be educated and not know a second language? what i am unfamiliar with is the presumption that there is somehow a need or requirement to learn multiple languages to be considered educated. ok

Re: Prayer by the Beloved Guardian found in a prayerbook Nasaimu'r-Rahman

2007-04-24 Thread Scott Saylors
I believe Shoghi Effendi made a point of NOT translating His prayers in Persian, Arabic and Turkic to English. He knew the Americans had a penchant for turning Abdu'l Baha into the Return of Christ and wished to avoid that confusion about himself. It's the same reason he discouraged

Re: Prayer by the Beloved Guardian found in a prayerbook Nasaimu'r-Rahman

2007-04-24 Thread Scott Saylors
Susan, I find myself in perfect agreement with that. Regards, Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I did not know about that directive or I wouldn't have asked. Does anyone have a source where Shoghi Effendi says this? Dear Larry, I

Re: Prayer by the Beloved Guardian found in a prayerbook Nasaimu'r-Rahman

2007-04-24 Thread Scott Saylors
Susan, I'm not sure I find that a compelling argument. After all, if it were true, then the Guardian would have translated nothing at all. I think it more likely that he wrote the prayers in Persian for the Persian friends, but never felt that they were important enough to translate when

Re: Religion must be the cause of unity

2007-04-20 Thread Scott Saylors
David, you're trying to create absolute meaning in a faith which denies absolute truth. Any tenet, argument or debate can be carried to the point of absurdity. You have just done so with the words of Abdu'l Baha. Relax, forget absolutes, they have no place in the Baha`i Faith.

Re: Recent House letter

2007-04-11 Thread Scott Saylors
To put it simply: No. David Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Susan, The Guardian doesn't have to have mentioned those. Electorial proceedures fall ultimately under the purview of the authority of the Universal House of Justice, not the Guardianship. Interesting. So then the House are

Re: Recent House letter

2007-04-11 Thread Scott Saylors
In my community we have about 75 believers on the rolls. I can think of 15 of them off the top of my head who possess the qualities Shoghi Effendi enumerates. What's the problem where you are? Regards, Scott David Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Susan, My guess of what

Re: Recent House letter

2007-04-09 Thread Scott Saylors
Dear David, Since the 1950's at least we have followed Shoghi Effendi's guidance on this which includes giving a tie to women or ethnic minorities for the ninth seat on local assemblies. If a man and woman have a tie for the ninth seat, it goes to the woman with no tie breaker.

Re: Recent House letter

2007-04-09 Thread Scott Saylors
When the election call is sent out the assembly appoints a chief teller and assistant teller. They are responsible for counting the ballots. They report:total ballots cast, total ballots cast in person, total ballots absentee, total number of invalid ballots, and the nine individuals

Re: Too stupid to be saved?

2007-03-17 Thread Scott Saylors
If we are told there is no physical hell, from what shall we be 'saved'? Speaking in particular of Abdu'l Baha, but by extension to all of us, Baha`u'llah says: Here, in a Tablet to 'Abdu'l-Bahá, He says also: O God! This is a Branch which has sprung forth from the Tree of Oneness, the

People of the Book

2007-02-21 Thread Scott Saylors
I know that somewhere in the Qur'an and the immediately following documents there is a place where the People of the Book are defined: as Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians and Sabaeans. In particular where is the reference to the Parsis (Zoroastrians)? Regards, Scott The information

Re: Luck and salvation

2007-01-25 Thread Scott Saylors
This goes back to the Oedipian Chorus saying solemnly Count no man lucky until he is dead. The Bab says more productively and usefully: WORSHIP thou God in such wise that if thy worship lead thee to the fire, no alteration in thine adoration would be produced, and so likewise if thy

Re: The Greater Covenant

2007-01-21 Thread Scott Saylors
I also makes the mistake of assuming that mankind makes ONE decision about anything. Mankind is not a single organism, it's not even a hive. It is a huge collection of individuals who make their own decisions for their own reasons. Mankind does not accept a Revelation. I accept a Revelation and

Provenance of an Hadith

2007-01-13 Thread Scott Saylors
The Hadith attributed to the Imam Ali: I am two years younger than my master. I can find some reference to it at http://www.al-islam.org/innersecretsofthepath/1.htm but would like proper provenance if available. Thanks in advance, Scott The information contained in this

Re: Provenance of an Hadith

2007-01-13 Thread Scott Saylors
Yes, please, also where it might be found in non-Baha`i, Shi'ih sources. Regards, Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but would like proper provenance if available. By provenance do you mean the isnad? The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is

Re: Baha'i considerations about alcohol...

2007-01-09 Thread Scott Saylors
This is why the House leaves it up to the individual at this time. In beer making the alcohol can be removed from the brew to the point that a non-alcoholic beer has less alcohol content than natural fruit juice. I have never particularly liked non-alcoholic wine, it's flat and far inferior,

Re: Year of patience

2007-01-07 Thread Scott Saylors
There's another very important reason for the Year: To protect the dignity of both parties. Regards, Scott Loïc ROYER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always believe that the object of the law is more important than the law itself. What is the object of the Year of patience? To give a

Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc.

2007-01-07 Thread Scott Saylors
Loïc ROYER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Ben, It seems I have made some exagerations by writing re-reviewed by dozens of people, councils, assemblies... SORRY for this! We must take care about freedom of believes, thoughts and speeches, for everyone! ;-) Loïc I

Re: Year of patience

2007-01-07 Thread Scott Saylors
Loïc ROYER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Scott, I didn't thought about this, but it looks very important indeed. but once the separation is effective, and one or the other is in love with someone else, the dignity of both is lost... So I believe this is one more reason to

Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc.

2007-01-07 Thread Scott Saylors
I agree completely. The reference is to individuals who sought their own objectives and used the 'mask' of academic freedom to hide their agenda. It is a specific not a general reference. Regards, Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Scott, It would be a mistake to interpret the

Re: Year of patience

2007-01-07 Thread Scott Saylors
english is too poor to understand what you mean by Other than that respondent remarketh not...? Regards, Loïc - Original Message - From: Scott Saylors To: Baha'i Studies Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 9:27 PM Subject: Re: Year of patience

Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc.

2007-01-06 Thread Scott Saylors
Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On 1/6/07, Susan Maneck wrote: Were not going to cover the same ground again and again. You have been told this is not the Baha'i teachings and yet you keep insisting we believe something we don't. I'm rejecting this as inflamatory. I'm not trying

Re: Any Hindus in Egypt???

2006-12-19 Thread Scott Saylors
I don't know what the modern numbers might be, but back during the British control and influence in Egypt and Palestine there were large numbers of Hindus and Sikhs doing business in Egypt and through out the Middle-East. They were largely involved in import and transport largely in products to

Re: Year of patience

2006-11-10 Thread Scott Saylors
In a word, "YES". It is possible under certain conditions for a Baha`i to seek a civil divorce before the year is up. In those cases the Year of Patience is still binding.Regards, ScottDavid Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If a Baha'i is married to a non-Baha'i the non-Baha'i can

Re: change of sex?

2006-11-01 Thread Scott Saylors
I think that's naive since the guidance is that medical treatment is acceptable. The case I know of the House recommended SRS (sexual reassignment surgery) as an acceptable option.Pseudo-hermaphrodites are genetically male but outwardly female, that has an instance of about 1:100,000 births,

Re: You never really know: transsexual or gay?

2006-10-31 Thread Scott Saylors
Actually everything in nature has precedent (the adjectival form of the word) 1906 came before 2006. Hydrogen, helium and berylium were created first and they have precedent over other elements.But let's see what I was talking about. "2 a : something done or said that may serve as an example

Re: You never really know: transsexual or gay?

2006-10-30 Thread Scott Saylors
Mind and Body are not seperate from each other in this plane of existence, anyway.The source of much physical suffering is prompted by the mind.The cases of pseudo-hermaphroditism are definitely from the body, not the mind. The events of genital ambiguity are definitely of the body, not

Re: You never really know: transsexual or gay?

2006-10-30 Thread Scott Saylors
Bab, p. 94)- Original Message - From: Scott Saylors To: Baha'i Studies Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 12:21 PM Subject: Re: You never really know: transsexual or gay?Mind and Body are not seperate from each other in this plane of existence, anyway.The source of much physical suffering i

Re: You never really know: transsexual or gay?

2006-10-30 Thread Scott Saylors
Gilberto,It does not surprise me at all that some of the mufti would speak sympathetically about any question which might be so central to one believer's understanding of the confusions they face in life.Baha`i's have no monopoly on compassion.Regards, ScottGilberto Simpson [EMAIL

Re: You never really know: transsexual or gay?

2006-10-30 Thread Scott Saylors
Richard brought these words of the Bab to our attention: "AS this physical frame is the throne of the inner temple, whatever occurs to the former is felt by the latter. In reality that which takes delight in joy or is saddened by pain is the inner temple of the body, not the body itself.

Re: You never really know: transsexual or gay?

2006-10-28 Thread Scott Saylors
It won't invalidate a marriage. I know a transgender individual who was born with ambiguous gender, fairly. There are also cases of 'pseudo-hermaphroditism" which is a chromosomally male individual whose body does not change to male when testosterone is produced by the developing fetusin the womb.

Re: You never really know: transsexual or gay?

2006-10-28 Thread Scott Saylors
I'm saying the individual referred questions to the House of Justice before going on with Sexual Reassignment Surgery, was not only allowed but encouraged to follow his or her own best interest and medical advice but was allowed to re-register his or her Baha`i identity with the new name. I do not

Re: You never really know: transsexual or gay?

2006-10-28 Thread Scott Saylors
pseudo-hermaphrodite may well live her entire life and never know that she is genetically male. She will know she is not fertile. There is no womb, though the vagina is present. A significant proportion of these rare individuals may develop testicular cancer and have it be mistaken for ovarian

Re: What's the truth of Astrology and Numerology?

2006-10-23 Thread Scott Saylors
As to astrology, I have no opinion. I do not know why Abdu'l Baha said it was worthy of examination, perhaps he meant it might be debunked, I certainly do not know.As to numberology in general and the Abjad system in particular, culturally it was very important in making religious arguments.

Re: Smoking

2006-10-12 Thread Scott Saylors
Indeed. And we are exporting more tobacco these days than is being consumed in the U.S. Tobacco,by the law, is not a drug; therefore, the FDA has nothing to with its regulation.Regards, ScottGilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet the tobacco lobby has something to do with it. And

Re: Is it okay? . . . .

2006-10-11 Thread Scott Saylors
Dean Betts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is "One" the name of a character in this book?Good question. In a word no, but a word doesn't suffice. So . . . .I had to invent a pronoun usage for a creature that is made up of two entities in close union. "I", "You","He", "She", "We and

Re: Resurrection of Christ

2006-10-11 Thread Scott Saylors
Quite right.ScottGilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/11/06, David Friedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: There's another issue. 'Abdu'l-Baha refers to alleged miracles in the Gospels, saying that receiving sight and hearing referred to a spiritual awakening. If the writers used this

Re: Resurrection of Christ

2006-10-11 Thread Scott Saylors
Metaphor and analogy are great illuminators. They bring understanding in great gulps of light. However, when one examines them too closely, in most cases the bulb burns out.Sorry for the metaphor.Regards, ScottDavid Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's another issue.

Re: Resurrection of Christ

2006-10-10 Thread Scott Saylors
Well, Abdu'l Baha says there was no physical resurrection. In my mind the Apostles of Christ may well have seen Christ amongst them as a spiritual form beyond their comprehension.What ever else happened during that time, and however the Spirit of Christ amongst them is represented, the REAL

Is it okay? . . . .

2006-10-10 Thread Scott Saylors
. . . to announce the publication of a novel I have written, with some references and quotes from the Baha`i faith tucked away within the story, on this list? The book comes out in February and is available for pre-order at the moment.Regards, Scott The information contained in

Re: Is it okay? . . . .

2006-10-10 Thread Scott Saylors
Okay, I'll bite the bullet. If it turns out it's not okay, just delete the message, Susan.The title is Sword of the Dajjal, you can find the pre-sale announcement at: http://www.capripublishing.net/ click on books, click on Sci-Fi and scroll down.It is science fiction set 600 years in the

Re: Is it okay? . . . .

2006-10-10 Thread Scott Saylors
No, it will be a trade back (6X9 soft cover). I haven't sold e-book rights as yet.Scott[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So this is an ebook? - Original Message -From: Scott Saylors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 3:12 pmSubject: Re: Is it okay? . . . .To: Baha'i S

Re: Is it okay? . . . .

2006-10-10 Thread Scott Saylors
The quote is unattributed and the word "Baha`i" is only used in reference to individuals. The main character never discloses his religion, and I say nothing that might be construed as an offical stance.An alien asks the main character "What is it that your Persian Prophets said of this?"

Re: Is it okay? . . . .

2006-10-10 Thread Scott Saylors
I thought it might help to actually quote from the text of the book: " “. . .Such agony and destruction puzzles One. One cannot understand why one segment of your society should wish to impose its will on the rest of your people, by manipulating them with violence and terror. A people subjugated

Re: RE: alcohol in meals

2006-08-03 Thread Scott Saylors
To the list in general and Gilberto in particular,I think the question as to why Jesus or Moses were mute on this particular question is tied up with the concept of "progressive revelation". This concept is not really acceptable to Islam in general because Islam believes that the

Re: RE: alcohol in meals

2006-08-03 Thread Scott Saylors
Monder M Zbaeda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Dear Scott, I don't think there necessarily is a contradiction between accepting the Qur'an as the perfection of the Tourat and the Injeel and 'progressive revelation', per se. Obviously to the Islamic community, progressive may have ended with

Re: RE: alcohol in meals

2006-08-03 Thread Scott Saylors
Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:If you believe in the Bible, they weren't just mute on this particularquestion. Important rituals in the old and new testament involvedrinking wine. If you do a search on "wine" in the Bible you actuallyfind a lot of quotes.Absolutely! But

Re: Unity and Truth

2006-07-20 Thread Scott Saylors
We've gone over Hikmat before. What the Manifestations do is what God instructs them. You might recall the Bab told his secretary he could foreswear his belief to escape after His martyrdom. Why? The obvious answer was so that the final papers of the Bab could survive and arrive where they were

Re: delivering wives in Bible texts

2006-07-06 Thread Scott Saylors
Dear Gilberto,I think the fault is not so much in how God inspired the Bible, but in how it was changed through time by different scribes at different times.As to the question you raise about the perfection of the Manifestations, I think you can find a direct answer in Some Answered

Re: Authorship of the Gospels

2006-06-19 Thread Scott Saylors
David,You are aware of how long it was before the Torah was revealed and when it was actually written down, aren't you?Regards, ScottDavid Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Gilberto,I wonder if you might be assuming too much about the meaning of thewords. If A tells B something. And

Re: Conversion

2006-06-07 Thread Scott Saylors
David,I think that free will is exercised in this existence. The Holy Spirit does not MAKE us do anything. The writings tell us that we must become "hollow reeds" through which the love of God flows to be successful at teaching. If we are a hollow reed, then where does the message come from?

Wish me luck

2006-05-15 Thread Scott Saylors
I have recently finished a novel and am making the rounds of agents and publishers, trying to shop it.It's set 600 years in the future and makes oblique references to the principles of the faith.Regards, Scott The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments

Re: House of Justice legislation

2006-04-16 Thread Scott Saylors
David writes: " I originally assumed that House of Justice members would be required toundertake the onerous task of familiarising themselves with everything in the Writings, included all that is untranslated, in order to make their decisions. For a reason I do not understand they are obviously

Re: Baha'i Faith should be compatible with Science and Reason

2006-04-16 Thread Scott Saylors
Ursus Maximus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Dr. Maneck quoted me and then remarked:"""Divine Providence will not allow our community, with its present conception of infallibility, to grow further in numbers and//or influence,until we correct this problem, I believe.Is that prophecy infallible?

ismat and infallibility - a question

2006-04-15 Thread Scott Saylors
Dear Susan,Thank you for reminding me of the word "ismat" and its usage. I have one question: Is the same Arabic word "ismat" used in reference to the "infallibility" of the House of Justice?Regards, Scott The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto

Re: Science and Religion

2006-04-13 Thread Scott Saylors
Well, "catastrophizing" is what Chicken Little does when it sprinkles rain.Regards, Scott[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why can't I find "castrophizing" in any dictionary? Don't know, but you can find a good description of it here: http://www.getunstuckandgetgoing.com/articles/catastrophe.phpThe

Re: Baha'i double standards re: science and religion - ?

2006-03-25 Thread Scott Saylors
I agree, Sekhmet. Science has its methods of exploration, and religion has its own. It is only when one insists upon the "truth" of its own viewpoint that a clash results. And that clash is the basis for the warnings by Baha`u'llah and Abd'ul Baha.Regards, Scott[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a

Re: Why Bah�'u'll�h's photograph is on wikipedia

2006-01-31 Thread Scott Saylors
Not to my knowledge, no. Its actually (from what I understand) one of two photos taken at the same time - one pose selected for the passport and the other not). I believe the photo seen on various web sites is the photo that was not selected for the passport and the one at the World Center is the

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years? - genetic lines

2006-01-31 Thread Scott Saylors
ize the Qaim remember?Just curious: Do you thinkImanate is not “a proof at all” because people cannot check its genealogyfrom Muhammad in a lab? Scott Saylors [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:I don't think it is ! necessary at all. I think He will be descended from Abr! aham, but then I am p

Re: Re: Re: Why Bah�'u'll�h's photograph is on wikipedia

2006-01-31 Thread Scott Saylors
I would assume He looked at the two proofs and chose one, thereby rejecting the other for the purpose of His passport.Haven't you ever gone through proofs of a photo sitting and chosen some and rejected others?Regards, ScottHasan Elias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Iskandar, you

Re: Re: Re: Why Bah�'u'll�h's photograph is on wikipedia

2006-01-31 Thread Scott Saylors
only one photo is showed at the BWC? Why the other is discarded (is not even an option)?Scott Saylors [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:I would assume He looked at the two proofs and chose one, thereby rejecting the other for the purpose of His passport.Haven't y! ou ever gone through proofs

Re: Re: Re: Why Bah�'u'll�h's photograph is on wikipedia

2006-01-31 Thread Scott Saylors
nt respect. At Temple dedications and at the World Center the display IS properly done. Again - why is this a big issue?Regards, ScottHasan Elias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott, I did, but then, why only one photo is showed at the BWC? Why the other is discarded (is not even an option)?Sco

Re: Re: Why Bah�'u'll�h's photograph is on wikipedia

2006-01-31 Thread Scott Saylors
I think we possess both negatives now, so any prints can only be made by us. Part of the problem is that each time the photo is reproduced from a prefious photo the quality of the image degrades - copies of copies of copies each one becoming more degraded.Regards, ScottDavid Friedman [EMAIL

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years? - genetic lines

2006-01-30 Thread Scott Saylors
eloved Guardian here: http://bahai-library.com/?file=gonzales_genealogy_shoghieffendi Scott Saylors [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: I am not trying to upset you. I am not joking.Think of it this way: In the future someone appears CLAIMING to be the next Manife! station and produces a family

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years? - genetic lines

2006-01-30 Thread Scott Saylors
Well, I think it would be neutral in effect. We do not, after all, believe in original sin. I think we will see any number of descendants of covenant breakers come to the faith over the next centuries. Is their forebear's sin there's as well?Regards, Scott[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years? - genetic lines

2006-01-30 Thread Scott Saylors
:I don't know Scott I suppose next Prophet will be from Bahá'u'lláh's line, but nothing is written so far I think.Scott Saylors [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:I see your point and agree, but would point out that we have accepted Shoghi Effendi before we read his family tree. In the! future

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years? - genetic lines

2006-01-30 Thread Scott Saylors
It doesn't, Susan. We will be faced with the same choice that we all had - the reliance on our own rational soul to choose the truth and follow it.Regards, Scott[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see your point and agree, but would point out that we have accepted Shoghi Effendi before we read his

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years? - genetic lines

2006-01-30 Thread Scott Saylors
Susan,I don't think it is necessary at all. I think He will be descended from Abraham, but then I am probably descended from Abraham and you too, as you have pointed out. A geneaology is no proof at all - the only proof could be spiritual, the only means of decision would be on perceived

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years? - genetic lines

2006-01-29 Thread Scott Saylors
So who do we dig up to get the DNA baseline? The Bab, since we have no direct descendants left, for sure - we need both his "Y" Chromosome DNA and his matrilineal mitochondrial material. Then we'll need the same for the line of Baha`u'llah - so we'll need to disinter either Bahas`u'llah or Abdu'l

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years? - genetic lines

2006-01-29 Thread Scott Saylors
aking free will in one's grasp and accepting responsibility for it when the time comes.Regards, ScottHasan Elias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:too extreme no? you must be kidding,I thougtht there was another way like follow genealogical family tree but never desecrate holy tombs!...Scott Sayl

Re: A Prophet before one thousand years? - genetic lines

2006-01-29 Thread Scott Saylors
I am not trying to upset you. I am not joking.Think of it this way: In the future someone appears CLAIMING to be the next Manifestation and produces a family tree showing he is descended from Baha`u'llah. Why can that family tree NOT be falsified? So, in that instance, it would prove nothing by

Re: Judaism 101 was Re: kalimat- accepting apparent disagreements over interpretation of the writings

2006-01-26 Thread Scott Saylors
I will. I don't think he's actually responded constructively as yet, but its your call.Scott[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Gilberto, What I wrote you earlier still stands. Please do not post here any longer until you have made your decision. I ask that Scott and Iskandar avoid responding to

Re: Baha'i Faith and the Bible

2006-01-26 Thread Scott Saylors
David Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Dear Susan,The story in Matthew certainly implies that Jesus would have been a celebrity from the time He was born. Herod knew all about the wise men visiting Jesus, so surely others would have gone to see Jesus. He would have been a celebrity at

Re: Judaism 101 was Re: kalimat- accepting apparent disagreements over interpretation of the writings

2006-01-26 Thread Scott Saylors
While Gilberto's post did not really apologize, I would like to make this observation about Abdu'l Baha's use of the word "jews" in that particular reference. I have seen it stated from many sources that Abdu'l Baha in this instance did not mean the "Jews" as in the sense of the Judaic

Re: kalimat- accepting apparent disagreements over interpretation of the writings

2006-01-25 Thread Scott Saylors
there are Muslims who pray facing Graceland.-GilbertoOn 1/25/06, Scott Saylors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Gilberto Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: If a community is intending to face Mecca and they pray southeast instead of northeast by mistake, I would say that they are Muslim. But if a

Re: kalimat- accepting apparent disagreements over interpretation of the writings

2006-01-25 Thread Scott Saylors
Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On 1/25/06, Scott Saylors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Gilberto, please remember this is a list of equals and you can inject yourself into any discussion and never hear me complain.Gilberto:I'm not saying you have no right to speak. I'm not

Re: Baha'i Faith and the Bible

2006-01-25 Thread Scott Saylors
Which James Robinson? There are many, many - including the provisional governor of the state of Texas in the 1800's, a filk artist, a jazz guitarist, a former head of American Express, etc., etc. I cannot seem to find a scholar on the life of Jesus and would love to do so.Regards, Scott[EMAIL

Re: kalimat- accepting apparent disagreements over interpretation of the writings

2006-01-25 Thread Scott Saylors
Given this statement by Abdu'l Baha - whom the "Orthodox" Baha`i's unfailingly accept:""He has ordained and established the House of Justice which is endowed with a political as well as a religious function, the consummate union and blending of church and state. This institution 248 is

Re: kalimat- accepting apparent disagreements over interpretation of the writings

2006-01-25 Thread Scott Saylors
) And then Joel Bray Marangella was appointed head ofthe Second International Bahai Council. So I guess the Orthodox Bahaismight say that your quote from Abdul-Baha refers to their institutionsand not yours.But that's just speculation.-GilbertoOn 1/25/06, Scott Saylors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

Re: kalimat- accepting apparent disagreements over interpretation of the writings

2006-01-25 Thread Scott Saylors
y makes him Guardian of the UniversalHouse of Justice) And then Joel Bray Marangella was appointed head ofthe Second International Bahai Council. So I guess the Orthodox Bahaismight say that your quote from Abdul-Baha refers to their institutionsand not yours.But that's just speculation.-GilbertoOn 1/

Re: kalimat- accepting apparent disagreements over interpretation of the writings

2006-01-25 Thread Scott Saylors
that sounds like "He does not remove himself from the community of believers who agree with him in the first place."Regards, ScottGilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/25/06, Scott Saylors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: More side-stepping . . . . why not a yes, or a no?You

Re: kalimat- accepting apparent disagreements over interpretation of the writings

2006-01-25 Thread Scott Saylors
t;yes", it is.Regards, ScottGilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/25/06, Scott Saylors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Let me ame! nd that slightly: I would accept a "yes, but . . . " or a "no, but . . . ". I agree with you that altering the direction of praye

Re: Baha'i Faith and the Bible

2006-01-25 Thread Scott Saylors
James McConkey Robinson, associated with the Nag Hammadi Library - impressive credentials!.Scott[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which James Robinson? Dear Scott, I'm referring to a famous scholar whose done a lot of work on Egyptian gnostic texts which threw a great deal of light on the question of

Re: Baha'i Faith and the Bible

2006-01-25 Thread Scott Saylors
This link to some of John M. Robinson's work might be of interest to the list: http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/rels/rak/courses/535/nhl.htmRegards, Scott[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which James Robinson? Dear Scott, I'm referring to a famous scholar whose done a lot of work on Egyptian gnostic texts

Re: Baha'i Faith and the Bible

2006-01-25 Thread Scott Saylors
Sorry, JAMES M. RobinsonScott Saylors [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:This link to some of John M. Robinson's work might be of interest to the list: http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/rels/rak/courses/535/nhl.htmRegards, Scott The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments

Re: kalimat- accepting apparent disagreements over interpretation of the writings

2006-01-25 Thread Scott Saylors
After five dodges you say "No". Okay. I guess the old adage is true: "There is none so blind as he who will not see." The parallel is obvioujs to me.Regards, ScottGilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/25/06, Scott Saylors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: But its

Re: The Universal House of Justice

2006-01-12 Thread Scott Saylors
Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "There is a difference between "authorized" and "authoritative". The Guardian and Abdu'l Baha could make authoritative translations as part of their station within the faith."Uh, Scott. There was one major obstacle preventing

Re: The Universal House of Justice

2006-01-12 Thread Scott Saylors
Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On 1/12/06, Susan Maneck wrote: But I would still say that even that binary decision of looking at a potential translation of the writings and saying Ok or not Ok implies interpretation. Dear Gilberto, What you ought to be asking is what do

Re: The Universal House of Justice

2006-01-12 Thread Scott Saylors
Well, you did, Benjamin . . . . I had mine installed as a PDA aid, how about you?Regards, ScottBenjamin La Framboise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For example, when Scottwas trying to explain what *he* meant by "interpret" and "elucidatate" he didn't whip out a super-secret Bahai decoder

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