Re: Kitab-i-Iqan pp 4-5 Qur'an 3:85

2005-01-21 Thread JS
JS: LOL, yeah, Abdu'l-Baha clarifies that it doesn't change, and at the same time, it actually DOES change in some ways (contradictory and 'having-the-cake-and-eating-it simultaneously', I realize). To prevent people from getting too attached to a name (i.e. "Jesus", "Qur'an", "Muhammad",

Re: Kitab-i-Iqan pp 4-5 Qur'an 3:85

2005-01-21 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:37:38 -0800 (PST), JS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JS: LOL, yeah, Abdu'l-Baha clarifies that it doesn't change, and at the same time, it actually DOES change in some ways (contradictory and 'having-the-cake-and-eating-it simultaneously', I realize). To prevent

Re: Kitab-i-Iqan pp 4-5 Qur'an 3:85

2005-01-21 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:50:11 -0600, Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gilberto, At 01:48 PM 1/21/2005, you wrote: And so correct me if I'm wrong, but that would suggest that Bahais are not attached to Bahaullah in a bad way, but Muslims are attached to Muhammad. Whether the

Re: Kitab-i-Iqan pp 4-5 Qur'an 3:85

2005-01-21 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 1/21/2005 5:48:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I once knew someone who told me he only accepted Muhammad on the authority of Baha'u'llah. Dear Mark, I think most of us did at first. warmest, Susan

Re: Kitab-i-Iqan pp 4-5 Qur'an 3:85

2005-01-21 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:47:46 -0600, Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gilberto, At 05:36 PM 1/21/2005, you wrote: Or previous ones. I mean, I'm sure that there are many Bahais, especially in the West, who for whatever reason accept Bahaullah because they like his wrapper so to

Re: Kitab-i-Iqan pp 4-5 Qur'an 3:85

2005-01-21 Thread Mark A. Foster
Hi, Susan, At 06:46 PM 1/21/2005, you wrote: I think most of us did at first. Yes, but what I meant is that this particular person said that he *only* accepted Muhammad on Baha'u'llah's authority. He despised Islam, the Qur'an, etc. Regards, Mark A. Foster • http://markfoster.net • [EMAIL

Re: Kitab-i-Iqan pp 4-5 Qur'an 3:85

2005-01-21 Thread Mark A. Foster
Gilberto, At 06:55 PM 1/21/2005, you wrote: Yes, me too. So what does that mean? I mean, I really don't know enough about Bahaullah to either like or dislike him. I'm comfortable keeping my discussions here on the level of beliefs and practices for the moment. But a Bahai who has looked at the

Re: Kitab-i-Iqan pp 4-5 Qur'an 3:85

2005-01-20 Thread JS
Ponder for a moment, and reflect upon that which hath been the cause of such denial on the part of those who have searched with such earnestness and longing. Their attack hath been more fierce than tongue or pen can describe. Not one single Manifestation of Holiness hath appeared but He was

Re: Kitab-i-Iqan pp 4-5 Qur'an 3:85

2005-01-20 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:45:40 -0800 (PST), JS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] This is the changeless Faith of God, eternal in the past, eternal in the future. Let him that seeketh, attain it; and as to him that hath refused to seek it--verily, God is Self-Sufficient, above any need of His

Re: Kitab-i-Iqan pp 4-5 Qur'an 3:85

2005-01-20 Thread JS
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:45:40 -0800 (PST), JS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: "[...] This is the changeless Faith of God, eternal in the past, eternal in the future. Let him that seeketh, attain it; and as to him that hath refused to seek it--verily, God is Self-Sufficient, above any need of His

Re: Kitab-i-Iqan pp 4-5 Qur'an 3:85

2005-01-20 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:30:16 -0800 (PST), JS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:45:40 -0800 (PST), JS wrote: [...] This is the changeless Faith of God, eternal in the past, eternal in the future. Let him that seeketh, attain it; and as to him that hath refused to seek