Susan,
It's the same here in Thailand and most of South East Asian countries.
There has been much emphasis on Ruhi classes and hence the teaching and
enrollment has stopped. The communities have been encouraged to finish up to
Ruhi book 7 and many have done so but after that they have been
Susan,
At 12:42 AM 12/10/2004, you wrote:
Mind you, I said they were discouraged from having other deepening *classes*
not from deepening independently.
First the two-way TV sets have to be installed in our homes. Then they can
monitor our individual deepening practices, too.
Mark A. Foster
It's the same here in Thailand and most of South East Asian countries.
There
has been much emphasis on Ruhi classes and hence the teaching and enrollment
has
stopped.
I recently read a recent report noting one cluster in Cambodia that has
grown from 500 Baha'is to over 2000, in a relatively
In a message dated 12/9/2004 10:42:17 PM Central Standard Time,
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There is
a well-known book in English entitled *The True Believer* which describes the
psychological make-up of those who feel compelled to lose their individuality
in mass movements. In this
Brent wrote:
2. Dictionary and Ruhi. Please
indicate who discourages the use of the dictionary in Ruhi courses.
Certain tutors? The books themselves? Given that the Guardian had a
well-worn dictionary, and that he not infrequently used terms in his writings
and translations that I can't
Richard,
You
quoted:
In
fact, most tutors find that using a dictionary to help the participants
understand difficult words actually interferes
with their learning. It
seems far more useful to help them learn how to
infer the meanings
of words through discussion of whole phrases and
Mark,
It is interesting to me to remember that learning to understand the meaning
of a word from context is the manner in which I have learned for years.
Often times the dictionary definition does not help much in the
understanding of the phrase in which the word is found; especially if one is
Hi, Richard,
Often times the dictionary definition does not help much in the
understanding of the phrase in which the word is found; especially
if one is using a dictionary that does not give the specific nuance
the author intends.
Depending on the dictionary. However, don't you think that is
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Depending on the dictionary. However, don't you think that is
different from simply recommending against their use in general?
Consider the exact wording of the quotaton: In fact, most tutors find
|Depending on the dictionary. However, don't you think that is
|different from simply recommending against their use in general?
|
|I will stick with my analogy to some of the fundamentalist
|Christian groups I have encountered. IMO, Ruhi comes pretty close
|(in several respects).
|
Please
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Subject: Re: To Brent: one point
Here is the quote:
It is important to note here that achieving this first level of
comprehension never involves a long discussion on the meaning of single
words outside the context
Surely the 'Ruhi method' does not exclude other study?
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In a message dated 12/9/2004 5:33:40 PM Central Standard Time,
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Surely the
'Ruhi method' does not exclude other study?
It does not. Over and over it says it does not.
However, the RTI's seem to think it does. All statistics concerning growth
are measured by no
Mark, you enquired,
Okay, but, in all seriousness, why should anyone care about the supposed
findings of tutors?
My response is: Gosh! I don't know Mark. Perhaps because the information
that an operator has regarding the results, or perceived results, of his
experiment or research activity
Mark, you answered,
No, because a study circle has a broader function than a fireside.
My question then is: how does that distinction make such a difference?
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Hi, Richard,
At 06:50 PM 12/9/2004, you wrote:
My question then is: how does that distinction make such a difference?
Firesides are individual teaching activities. The firesides conducted one
person have no more official status than those conducted by others. OTOH, study
circles *are*
I don't disagree with that assessment at all. My latest seeker, a Jehovah's
Witness saw that immediately. She did not however retreat in revulsion.
She understands the need;
Dear Richard,
One of the curriculum designers at the Mag Carney Institute was a Jehovah
Witness, and like your
My question is: You would then have the same objections to a fireside talk
(rather common on 2 and 3) which has the same characteristics?
Dear Richard,
Well, the Guardian does tell us that we should know the Writings well enough
to give them in their pure form. However, most firesides speakers
For example, Canadian friends report Institute Process in Canada
to have progreesed to present status as follows:
http://www3.telus.net/studycircle/gpb.jpg
Dear Max,
Unfortunately there is some truth to that cartoon. Maybe not in Canada, but
there are places in Australasia where the believers
In fact, most tutors find that using a dictionary to help the participants
understand difficult words actually interferes with their learning. It seems
far more useful to help them learn how to infer the meanings
f words through discussion of whole phrases and paragraphs
I think I had seen
I would like to see the results of scientifically controlled interviews of
these tutors.
Dear Richard,
Wouldn't it be of even more value to interview the participants, both those
who finish the course, and those who drop out? The tutors are already 'true
believers' or they wouldn't be tutors in
No more hamburgers for you Mark. : - )
Hey, isn't Ruhi the theological equivalent of a Big Mac?
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Hi, Susan,
At 08:01 PM 12/9/2004, you wrote:
The entire passage, not individual words, will get us much closer to what was
in the original.
Yes, but I was objecting to a so-called tutor telling a participant *not* to
use a dictionary, not whether using one was always the best way to understand
Susan, you wrote:
Wouldn't it be of even more value to interview the participants, both
those
who finish the course, and those who drop out? The tutors are already
'true
believers' or they wouldn't be tutors in most cases.
My answer is: The tutors would be easier to catch and interview. As
My answer is: The tutors would be easier to catch and interview. As
well, I would get information as to how a believer who is teaching other
believers is affected since, as Shoghi Effendi has pointed out, the teacher
is benefited more than the student during the teaching activity (yes, I know
Dear Max,
Unfortunately there is some truth to that cartoon. Maybe not in Canada, but
there are places in Australasia where the believers have been discouraged
from having deepening classes outside the institute process, less they
detract from it.
warmest, Susan
As a Canadian, I cannot
In a message dated 12/9/2004 10:19:18 P.M. Central Standard Time,
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As a
Canadian, I cannot say that I have ever experienced the situationdepicted
in the cartoon. The ABM's that I have met have been quite vocal
intheir encouragement to study other materials,
Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The tutors are already 'true believers' or they wouldn't be tutors in most cases.
*
I don't think tutor is "true believer" just because is a "tutor", I think we can't or "must" say when one baha'i is *true* or *not true* believer.
Hasan
"...religious
In a message dated 12/9/2004 10:31:23 P.M. Central Standard Time,
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I don't think tutor is "true believer" just because is a "tutor", I think
we can't or "must" say when one baha'i is *true* or *not true* believer.
Hasan
Dear Hasan,
We've got a
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We've got a linguistic-cultural misunderstanding here.
Well, It could be so, but if we said tutors are *true believers*, could arise more problems. Maybe I don't understand what you said, but what I said if the problem to use"true believer". Too much discussions about
Susan wrote:
Unfortunately there is some truth to that cartoon. Maybe not in Canada, but
there are places in Australasia where the believers have been discouraged
from having deepening classes outside the institute process, less they
detract from it.
So, what happened to the independent search
So, what happened to the independent search for Truth?
Dear Dave,
Mind you, I said they were discouraged from having other deepening *classes*
not from deepening independently.
warmest, Susan
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Too
much discussions about the Ruhi Program in this forum, now the Ruhi Program is
a real and efficient way to grow, it is not perfect (nothing is) but it help
the Faith to grow better than
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