Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc.

2007-01-07 Thread smaneck
They were basically rejected posts intended for soc.religion.bahai which I felt you were mischaracterizing and then rejecting. That doesn't give you the right to bring it here. As I said, you are no longer welcome on this forum. The information contained in this e-mail and any

Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc.

2007-01-07 Thread Loïc ROYER
: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc. I agree One God is the source, He also provides us with progressive revelation. Freedom needs to be tempered with wisdom. Perhaps you would like to explain what you mean by censorship appearing in our faith? - Original Message - From: Loïc

Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc.

2007-01-07 Thread smaneck
Anyway, I see some risks of censorship when I read some baha'i publications that have been reviewed, corrected, validated, re-reviewed... Dear Loic, What 're-reviewed' are you talking about? warmest, Susan The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto

Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc.

2007-01-07 Thread Benjamin La Framboise
Dear Loïc, It doesn't appear to me that your simple example A simple word of the Faith : the Bayan, which could be easily translated in french by l'Annonce or l'Explication, but people are so afraid to translate that they keep the Bayan in their writings. is, at all, an example of baha'i

Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc.

2007-01-07 Thread Loïc ROYER
:08 PM Subject: Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc. Dear Loïc, It doesn't appear to me that your simple example A simple word of the Faith : the Bayan, which could be easily translated in french by l'Annonce or l'Explication, but people are so afraid to translate

Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc.

2007-01-07 Thread smaneck
What I meant is that I sometimes feel worried when I see so many warnings at the beginning or at the end of some Baha'i writings. examples given: this text has been translated by the X committee, reviewed by the Y committee, approved by Z, and might be later corrected by ZZ... Dear Loic,

Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc.

2007-01-07 Thread smaneck
A simple word of the Faith : the Bayan, which could be easily translated in french by l'Annonce or l'Explication, but people are so afraid to translate that they keep the Bayan in their writings. Dear Loic, When it appears in the Writings we do translate it, normally as 'utterance'

Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc.

2007-01-07 Thread Scott Saylors
Loïc ROYER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Ben, It seems I have made some exagerations by writing re-reviewed by dozens of people, councils, assemblies... SORRY for this! We must take care about freedom of believes, thoughts and speeches, for everyone! ;-) Loïc I

Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc.

2007-01-07 Thread smaneck
Dear Scott, It would be a mistake to interpret the House's April 7 letter as an attack on the notion of academic freedom. What they are criticizing is the attempt to misuse the term in a Baha'i religious context. Academic freedom is the freedom of teachers, students, and academic

Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc.

2007-01-07 Thread Scott Saylors
I agree completely. The reference is to individuals who sought their own objectives and used the 'mask' of academic freedom to hide their agenda. It is a specific not a general reference. Regards, Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Scott, It would be a mistake to interpret the

Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc.

2007-01-07 Thread smaneck
I have heard about these evangelical religions, they look to be more efficient than us in terms of number of conversions! ;-) Dear Loic, Yes, there seems to be resurgence of conservatism and literalism in religion all over the world. Our retention, bad as it is, is a bit better however.

Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc.

2007-01-07 Thread Prema
Dear Susan I've been following this discussion with increasing interest. You mentioned that: That is one of the reasons Baha'u'llah often gave people titles equivalent to the numerical value of their names. Do you know of any examples, or could cite me a source where I could read more about

Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc.

2007-01-06 Thread Scott Saylors
Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On 1/6/07, Susan Maneck wrote: Were not going to cover the same ground again and again. You have been told this is not the Baha'i teachings and yet you keep insisting we believe something we don't. I'm rejecting this as inflamatory. I'm not trying

Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc.

2007-01-06 Thread Gilberto Simpson
When were internet writings and websites *subject* to review and when did it change? -G On 1/6/07, Scott Saylors [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/6/07, Susan Maneck wrote: Were not going to cover the same ground again and again. You have been

Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc.

2007-01-06 Thread Loïc ROYER
What makes the difference of the Baha'i faith is the individual freedom, to search, discover, discuss, write, think, believe... Of course this freedom is already given by other religions, but I understand the baha'is put this freedom over its limits, by accepting that error can be better than

Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc.

2007-01-06 Thread Michael Alcorn
What really makes the difference is the source. - Original Message - From: Loïc ROYER [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 11:59 PM Subject: Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc. What makes the difference

Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc.

2007-01-06 Thread Loïc ROYER
, righteous warfare, jihad, etc. What really makes the difference is the source. - Original Message - From: Loïc ROYER [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 11:59 PM Subject: Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc. What

Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc.

2007-01-06 Thread Michael Alcorn
bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 12:27 AM Subject: Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc. I don't see what you mean. The source of all religions is one and unique God, same for all, isn't it! - Original Message - From: Michael Alcorn [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc.

2007-01-06 Thread smaneck
Dear friends, Gilberto has been forwarding private correspondence to this list without permission. Please do not respond and encourage this kind of behavior. Gilberto, you are no longer welcome here. Susan The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail)

Re: limits of hikmat, righteous warfare, jihad, etc.

2007-01-06 Thread Gilberto Simpson
They were basically rejected posts intended for soc.religion.bahai which I felt you were mischaracterizing and then rejecting. -G On 1/7/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear friends, Gilberto has been forwarding private correspondence to this list without permission. Please do