Re: question about Islam

2006-05-08 Thread Gilberto Simpson
Don, I've heard something like that before in previous discussions with Bahais. I just think I have a philosophical disagreement with the idea of progressive revelation. I think that genuine moral principles shouldn't change with time. And in terms of the issue of slavery, if I remember

Re: question about Islam

2006-05-08 Thread Iskandar Hai, M.D.
On Sun, 7 May 2006, Gilberto Simpson wrote: On 5/5/06, Tim Nolan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Janine, He feels that the Bahai faith is just a reiteration of Islam, nothing new. I don't like absolute claims and so I probably wouldn't say that there is *nothing* new. But the

Re: question about Islam

2006-05-08 Thread Iskandar Hai, M.D.
On Sun, 7 May 2006, Gilberto Simpson wrote: cannot practice bigamy, have a clear cut prohibition against slavery, Except the Bab and Bahaullah both owned slaves. -G The Bab and Baha'u'llah had slaves because They bought them under Islamic Dispensation shari`ah law before the onset

Re: question about Islam

2006-05-08 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On 5/8/06, Iskandar Hai, M.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 7 May 2006, Gilberto Simpson wrote: I don't like absolute claims and so I probably wouldn't say that there is *nothing* new. But the Bahai faith and the Babi faiths definitely had antecedents within Islam. (most immediately,

Morals: of or relating to principles of right and wrong in behavior

2006-05-08 Thread Sandra
The second part of the Religion of God, which refers to the material world, and which comprises fasting, prayer, forms of worship, marriage and divorce, the abolition of slavery, legal processes, transactions, indemnities for murder, violence, theft and injuries -- this part of the Law

Servants in the Households of Bahá'u'lláh and the Bab

2006-05-08 Thread Sandra
MEMORANDUM From: Research DepartmentTo: The Universal House of Justice 2 February 2000 Servants in the Households of Bah'u'llh and the Bab The Research Department as considered the questions raised by Mr. Peter Terry, in his email message of 2 December 1999. Mr. Terry states that on

Re: question about Islam

2006-05-08 Thread Gilberto Simpson
The value of human freedom and autonomy didn't magically change in 1844 (or whatever year Bahais say this particular rule changed). If slavery is definitely and clearly wrong now in any meaningful sense, then it was also wrong when Muhammad permitted it (audhibillah). And if slavery was actually

Re: question about Islam

2006-05-08 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On 5/8/06, Richard H. Gravelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: question about Islam Gilberto wrote: . I think that genuine moral principles shouldn't change with time. Richard: Wouldn't you agree Gilberto, that

Re: question about Islam

2006-05-08 Thread Iskandar Hai, M.D.
This is an old question and Muslim theologians have debated it for centuries and non-Musllim philosophers have also debated it for millenia; my understanding is that what is or is not a commendable or a condemnable action is dependent upon the Will of God at any particular time/place. So, at some

Re: question about Islam

2006-05-08 Thread Iskandar Hai, M.D.
On Mon, 8 May 2006, Gilberto Simpson wrote: On 5/8/06, Iskandar Hai, M.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 7 May 2006, Gilberto Simpson wrote: Baha'u'llah forbids religious warfare, Muhammad did not forbid this. Gilberto: The Bahai writings allow for something called

Re: question about Islam

2006-05-08 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On 5/8/06, Iskandar Hai, M.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 8 May 2006, Gilberto Simpson wrote: On 5/8/06, Iskandar Hai, M.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I: Warfare conducted in the name of religion and/or conducted to covert others into your religion is prohibited in the Baha'i Faith.

Re: question about Islam

2006-05-08 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On 5/8/06, Iskandar Hai, M.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Things didn't magically change in 1844, nor in 610, nor in year 30. Think continuum. I do think in terms of continuum. That's why I don't think that a new Manifestation who will change things around is all that necessary. While remaining