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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqwa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sawm
Sawm and Taqwa are associated. Is there a Baha'i reference to Taqwa?
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. Is there a Baha'i reference to Taqwa?
Sure, but usually taqwa is translated as piety. If someone hasn't
posted any of the references by the time I get back online I try and
find you some. Right now my computer is working to slowly to conduct a
search.
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I heard that this was originally going to be a house for future Guardians, but
became this after Shoghi Effendi's death.
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It's a Five Elders http://www.fiveelders.org/ idea that the Universal House of
Justice (9 males) needs a Universal Senate of Justice (9 females) to balance it
out. Is this possible?
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What is this site all about? Is this a Covenant-breaker site?
Sincerely,
Shamim
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It's a Five Elders http://www.fiveelders.org/ idea that the Universal
House of
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That fiveelders link doesn't work for me. Who are they, and what is
their relation to the Baha'i covenant? I never heard of this
Universal Senate of Justice. Can you give sources from the
writings of Baha'u'llah or Abdu'l Baha or Shoghi Effendi?
Tim
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They're more like Baha'i reformers.
They aren't covenant breakers in that:
They believe Baha'u'llah was the successor of the Bab and not Subh-i-Azal.
They believe Abdu'l-Baha was the succesor of Baha'u'llah and not Mirza Muhammad
Ali.
They believe the Will
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I went to the site through Google. I only looked at the first page.
It definitely looks like a covenant breaker website. On the
first page it says copyright The International Institution of the Guardianship.
So, Mr. Stephen Grey, why are you posting links to
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http://www.fiveelders.com/
Sorry, It was a typo on my part. Also, it has English and Persian languge
options.
They have several article, but The Final Episode is the discussion, but the
previous articles like Divine Philosophy provide go lead up.
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They aren't covenant breakers in that:
What, specifically, is their relation to the Universal House of Justice?
Do they accept its authority without reservation? Are they submissive and
obedient to it? What is this so-called International Institution of the
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They're more like Baha'i reformers.
They aren't covenant breakers in that:
They believe Baha'u'llah was the successor of the Bab and not Subh-i-Azal.
They believe Abdu'l-Baha was the succesor of Baha'u'llah and not Mirza Muhammad
Ali.
They believe the Will
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Sounds like regular Baha'i just with a list of reforms they want taken up.
Dear Steve,
If they reject the authority of the Universal House of Justice they
might well be Covenant breakers. It is also better to check this sort
of material out with your Auxiliary Board
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What is the job of an AB member?
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Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 3:00:54 PM
Subject: Re: Universal House of Guardianship
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Sounds
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Also, who are Avarih and Niku?
Avarih was a prominent Baha'i who left the Faith during the time of
the Guardian and eventually wrote books against the Faith. Niku was
his friend who eventually did the same thing.
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I'm suggesting that you contact your Auxiliary Board Member for
Protection. As the name suggests they are there to handle protection
issues.
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What is the job of an AB
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I believe it is the ITC not the Center of the Study of the Sacred Text
which is located where the Institution of the Guardianship would have
been.
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I heard that this
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What faith or faiths were they? Babi/Bayani/Azali? Muslim? Christian? Daheshi?
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Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 3:11:53 PM
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I absolutely agree 100% with Susan and Tim! Steven, check with
your Auxiliary Board member and LSA before you go to this kinds of sites.
These sites are very dangerous and could potentiality do you a lot of
spiritual harm. That is my suggestion friends. Proceed with
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How many members are there? How does one know who's one member is? Also how can
one tell from the name as Auxiliary can mean anything?
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By Faith I mean the Baha'i Faith.
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What faith or faiths were they? Babi/Bayani/Azali? Muslim? Christian?
Daheshi?
From: Susan
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Yes, they were apostates, but what faith did they convert to?
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Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 3:21:58 PM
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The
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To the best of my knowledge they either distanced themselves from religion or
passed themselves off as Muslims.
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On Aug 26, 2010, at 3:26 PM, Stephen Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote:
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Yes, they were apostates, but what
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Not to nitpick but Sohrab actually had no discrepancy with the legitimacy of
Ahmad Sohrab. He just didn't like Shoghi Effendi.
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On Aug 26, 2010, at 2:38 PM, Stephen Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote:
They believe the Will Testament of Abdu'l-Baha to
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Where do you live Steve, in Indiana?
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Stephen Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote:
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How many members are there? How does one know who's one member is? Also how
can one tell from the name as Auxiliary can mean
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Sorry that should say discrepancy with Abdu'l-Bahá's Will and Testament.
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Not to nitpick but Sohrab actually had no discrepancy with the
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Yes, they were apostates, but what faith did they convert to?
They went back to Islam as far as I know.
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Where do you live Steve, in Indiana?
The reason I'm asking is that ABMs are assigned to different
geographical areas. If I know where you live I can tell you who your
ABM for protection is.
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Sounds plausible, either way. Muslims tend to view Baha'is as a heresy.
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thanks Adib for this clarification. Steve, the best way to get a hold of
your ABM, contact your LSA asap and they will help you out.
Sincerely,
Shamim
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So, Mr. Stephen Grey, why are you posting links to covenant breaker
websites?
What game are you playing?
Easy, Tim. Keep in mind that Stephen is a new believer and an isolated
one. Virtually everything he knows about the Faith he has gotten off
the internet.
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There are no Baha'i places of worship in my area.
Yellow Pages list all houses of worship as churches, even mosques
(Churches-Islamic), synagouges (Churches-Jewish sometimes as Synogouges),
gurdwaras (Churches-Sikh or Churches-Hindu or Churches-Islamic), etc.
Is
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Not to nitpick but Sohrab actually had no discrepancy with the legitimacy of
Ahmad Sohrab. He just didn't like Shoghi Effendi.
You mean the Will and Testament.
That is pretty much where Avarih was coming from. At first he
questioned the authenticity of the Will but
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Dear Stephen,
Your Auxiliary Board Member for Protection is:
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EXCLUDING THE U PPER P ENINSULA )
M R . O LIVER T HOMAS
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You sent me contact info on a Baha'i that lived in Crown Point when I emailed
him.
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There are no Baha'i places of worship in my area.
Yellow Pages list all houses of worship as churches, even mosques
(Churches-Islamic), synagouges (Churches-Jewish sometimes as Synogouges),
gurdwaras (Churches-Sikh or Churches-Hindu or Churches-Islamic), etc.
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How far do you live from Wilmette, Illinois, dear Stephen? There is a
magnificent Baha'i house of worship there, on Sheridan Road in Wilmette.
Best regards,
Iskandar
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According to Google Maps, there are 49 miles between Wilmete and Gary.
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Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 4:51:43 PM
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There are no Baha'i places of worship in my area.
That's not surprising. There is only one House of worship on each
continent. Large communities have Baha'i Centers but most communities
meet in people's homes. Baha'is often have listings in the phone book
but not
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Dear friends,
I consulted with the Baha'i Internet Agency and have been informed
that the person behind the website Steve posted is indeed a declared
Covenant breaker.
warmest, Susan
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