In a message dated 1/21/2005 4:08:46 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It
precisely says that a woman must make the decision in consultation with her
physician. I recall that a friend of mine, after reading it, wondered whether
men were given any rights in this
In a message dated 1/21/2005 3:32:19 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It
sparks a fire in youth in my estimation, and those who are not well deepened.
Those who spent years doing it the old way mostly find it redundant and
repetitive as well as having heard it
In a message dated 12/26/2004 9:40:52 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That
message was, of course, written almost 4 1/2 years ago. At that time, I would
have agreed with Terry. (In fact, we discussed it.) I don't know what his
views are now.
I'm wondering about
In a message dated 12/26/2004 9:40:52 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That
message was, of course, written almost 4 1/2 years ago. At that time, I would
have agreed with Terry. (In fact, we discussed it.) I don't know what his
views are now.
Dear Mark,
As I
In a message dated 12/26/2004 1:02:54 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And is that really how
the rule is stated? So you can get an abortion if your doctor says its okay?
Or do they have to be medically necessary?
I"t is left up to the individual to make
In a message dated 12/28/2004 7:37:54 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"In the mundane case it is easier to deal with the idea that nothing
isperfect so its not a big deal for it to be improved upon later. Like
asports record... there is always going to be
In a message dated 12/27/2004 7:48:44 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'velooked at the writings of the Bab but the stuff I've seen tends
not toinclude much legislation or commandments.
Dear Gilberto,
You'd probably have to find Nicholas' French
In a message dated 1/22/2005 9:30:40 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is there
an exhaustive statement somewhere which explains thedifference between
which actions, decisions, statements from the UHJare infallible (in which
sense?) and which are not?
Nope.
In a message dated 1/23/2005 5:36:54 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I thought the House is infallible on matters of legislation. Are you
saying they are infallible on every decision they make?
Dear Firouz,
No, I didn't say that either. I just said there is
In a message dated 12/28/2004 7:39:34 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Gilberto: I think that if God is really speaking and a
religion is worth its salt, it doesn't need to be replaced by another
in order to progress.
Then there should have been no more
In a message dated 12/28/2004 8:03:13 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't
believe that the Nicean creed is necessarily authenticChristianity. The
real Christians were probably all eaten by lions ornever left the
catecombs. There are some Jewish Christian
In a message dated 12/28/2004 8:17:56 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
At least
in terms of islamic law,you have living scholars who can arrive at rulings
by understandingthe principles of the Quran and sunnah and understanding
the realitiesof contemporary life.
In a message dated 1/23/2005 7:31:00 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is there any truth to this rumor?I thought read somewhere that one
or both of Abbas' parents were Baha'i.
Dear Dean,
Not that I've been able to ascertain. I wrote and asked the External
In a message dated 1/23/2005 8:45:58 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Have the families of the covenant breakers assimilated into
Palestiniansociety? Are any of the descendants of unfaithful Aghsan
among them?Perhaps in positions of power?
Dear Dick,
In a message dated 12/29/2004 8:34:43 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In studying the Writings, we should not take a single verse on
its own, but rather take a wide selection of the writings.
Dear Firouz,
I would take this to mean that sometimes
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It seems
that the harshness of this punishment is, at least in part, relatedto and
intended to be a deterrent to acts such as the wholesale genocidalburning
of homes villages
Dear Patti,
In a message dated 1/24/2005 9:11:47 P.M. Central Standard Time,
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why could Aishah not marry again?
Dear John,
In the Islamic (and Baha'i) context it is unheard of for someone who was
married to prophet to ever marry someone else. That's why Shoghi
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
We also have the example of the Hammurabi Code's
punishments.
Dear Scott,
I'm not sure what you are trying to say here.
warmest, Susan
__
You
In a message dated 1/24/2005 11:57:19 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
How
did you do that?
It got reported in an interview the Israeli press had with him.
"He [Abu Mazen] does not forget to ask that I write he is still awaiting an
apology by former Mossad chief
In a message dated 1/24/2005 7:21:38 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
that
each new Manifestation, because of the taxonomies He uses defines anew what
goodness is?
Dear Janine,
Isn't that what this passage implies?
"O leaders of religion! Weigh not the Book of
In a message dated 1/24/2005 7:18:25 A.M. Central Standard Time,
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Only the
Bahai faithis steeped in the practice of
consultation.
Dear Janine,
The Baha'i concept of consultation is derived from Islam.
warmest, Susan
In a message dated 1/25/2005 8:37:34 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Gaver imported a lot of popular "Baha'isms," urban legends, or
"kitab-i-hearsays," into the book.
Dear Mark,
I suppose at the time I read that book I took those things for granted.
warmest,
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However,
some other things have been much greater concerns to me recently, especially
Ruhi.
Well, if it is any comfort, Baha'u'llah didn't do that.
;-}
In a message dated 1/25/2005 5:56:38 P.M. Central Standard Time,
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Why, specifically, was it a violation of the Bab's honor? I
can see
how it was a violation of the wife's honor; it appears she was
simply
passed around like a piece of furniture, none of
In a message dated 1/26/2005 11:30:40 P.M. Central Standard Time,
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Baha'u'llah also challenges people to come up a verse like what
Baha'u'llah has revealed and goes further and allows them to assist each
other:" O people, if ye deny these verses, by what proof
In a message dated 1/26/2005 8:21:55 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
One also might note British encouragement of the sect as well as by
favouring Ibn Sa'ud over the Sharif of Mecca.
Dear Elainna,
Where does your information that the British favoured
In a message dated 1/27/2005 5:30:27 A.M. Central Standard Time,
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My personal opinion on this is that if one isn't mature enough
at age 15 to serve on an Assembly they probably aren't mature enough
to marry.
Dear Sandra,
The problem is that
In a message dated 1/27/2005 1:51:20 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"I believe the Secretariat is composed not of a pool of typists, but
comprises the personal assistants of each House member, as well as some other
staff members."
Dear Brent,
That is
In a message dated 1/27/2005 5:28:29 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"In the early days of the House, that is, for the first few years,
everycommunication was signed by the House. The idea of the
"Secretariat" camelater as the number of such communications
In a message dated 1/27/2005 1:57:20 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I remember long long time back when I was living in Dubaiwe had a
deepening class about Tablet of Ahmad, our Egyptian teacher explained it
to us this way.
Well, now that I compare it with
In a message dated 1/26/2005 10:53:49 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So is there some powerful significant moral change which
happens at 15? Or is the year just arbitrary?It is
significant because Baha'u'llah designated it.
Dear Mark and Gilbert,
Probably not
In a message dated 1/29/2005 6:55:36 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"Now, if I were not aware of the Guardian's persnickety precision
in his English translations, I might agree that all the previous post
references referred to any Baha'i House of Justice.
In a message dated 1/30/2005 12:29:19 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What evidence is there that he envisioned a living
Guardian?
Dear Gilberto,
Abdu'l-Baha talks about the Guardian being the head of the Universal
House of Justice for life in the Will
In a message dated 1/7/2005 9:03:48 A.M. Central Standard Time,
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If you judge by web presence, it would seem more, but one person can
generate a HUGE web presence if he works at it. One group claims 144,000
members, but admits that number is "Biblically
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I can
take something seriously, but not agree with it. Ibn Khaldun comes to mind. A
brilliant man, the Muqaddimah was sheer genius. He was in the employ of the
Ummayyads. To curry favor with
I found a very interesting document which may have some bearing on this
issue. It is a letter from Frau Grossman in regards to Dr. Fallsheer's pilgrim's
notes. She is the same doctor who is the source of that pilgrim note mentioned
earlier where Abdu'l-Baha referred to Shoghi Effendi as His
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Thirdly,
aside from the question of whether or not saying that themanifestation is
"one and the same" with God is shirk or not, there isthe even more bizzre
claim that this is not only
In a message dated 2/3/2005 5:54:57 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Surely, near the end of his life, Shoghi Effendi must have
realized there would not be any Guardian after him.
Dear Tim,
The pilgrim note I have in mind is from 1955.
"After
In a message dated 2/3/2005 4:23:38 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Talking
about those other religions as ifthey aren't relevant today and saying
that the Bahai faith is superioris precisely what I would consider
Triumphalistic.
Gilberto, I don't know if you
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I seem to recall banned any new person claiming to have
revelation. I don't remember it only limiting independent
manifestations."Yes, I believe so.
"
What the passage in question literally says
Dear Max,
I checked with the external affairs office about this story. Turns out, it
is bogus. The Baha'i Institutions have no authorized any western believers to go
to Iran for any reason. We certainly do not have Western missionaries there. I
feel sorry for the two businessmen who were
In a message dated 2/8/2005 4:54:27 P.M. Central Standard Time,
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This
pretension to interfaith dialogue has gone on for two months now and
thebest I can tell it has only served to fill up our mail
boxes.
Dear friends,
It does seem to be recycling itself
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I see limits in the writings on the *manner* in which we can promote our ideas, but I do not see any boundaries on the *kinds* of ideas we can promote. In fact, I think we all have a responsibility to
Dear David,
We need to make a distinction between grief or sadness and clinical depression. The latter is a medical condition which can rarely be remedied without treatment. In those cases we are not only permitted but required to seek the best medical treatment available. I recall a
I'm not sure that is true. In recent years the Universal House of Justicehas chosen to remove some people from the rolls rather than declare themCovenant breakers. The rationale was that they had determined they weren'treally Baha'is and thus bound by the Covennat.warmest, Susan Susan,But
Dear Mark,
If it does come back, I wonder if there isn't some way to do a back up, so we don't lose the archives if it ever goes down again?
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" Non Baha'is on the list, at least to me, seem to be asking for Baha'i responses not academic responses. While I believe that scholarship can indeed help the Faith, it's job is to help us understand the teachings, not relace them."
Dear Rich,
There are other lists such as
"Perhaps. But then, again, it is up to the Universal House of Justice how to spend, and what, out of which funds, isn't it?"
The Universal House of Justice would not use funds that had been earmarked for other purposes such as contributions for the upkeep of the Terraces, but they have a
"There is no justification for genocide, for the wholesale killing ofmen, women and children of an entire ethnic group in the Quran."Ordinary" warfare where you make sure not to kill non-combatants,where you allow the enemy to surrender, where you cease hostilitieswhen your opponent does,
"But the stuff I remember readingfrom Bahai sources was broader than that. And it seemed "Zionist" inthe sense of clearly favoring one side."
Dear Gilberto,
It couldn't have been from the Central Figures then. There were no 'sides' at that time.
"Oh wait a minute. There is a pilgrim's
Susan, is this the same Pilgrim's note you were thinking of earlier?
No, I'm talking about something from Abdu'l-Baha not Shoghi Effendi. You were looking for things from the Central Figures, no?
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Have you heard of Judith Miller?
She is the NY Times reporter recently thrown in jail for refusing to name her sources.
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Can someone direct me to an online source for the letter of the House of Justice instituting the binding practice of recitation of the Greatest Name 95 times?
Here it is: http://bahai-library.com/?file=uhj_further_application_aqdas
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"I don't think that is necessarily the motivation. I feel like ifpeople strongly believe in a certain religious text and they areconfronted by the discoveries of modern science they will have atleast two different stances. On the one hand, they could try toreconcile their text with modern
"I don'tthink that the Quran is primarily a scientific textbook. It wasrevealed to teach people a certain way to live, to provide anethical/moral framework for decision-making, to give spiritualguidance, wisdom, etc."
Gee, Gilberto, I think we are agreeing. ;-}
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"The insights and skills generated by scientific advance willhave always to look to the guidance of spiritual and moral commitment toensure their appropriate application; religious convictions, no matterhow cherished they may be, must submit, willingly and gratefully, toimpartial testing by
"If the conviction is about what the universe is made of, or how it works,
then the scientific method is the standard. If this appears to contradict
a religious belief, then one must change one's beliefs.
On the other hand, if the conviction is about what is moral, what is good or bad,
Dear Phillip,
I can't think of any Baha'is who are qualified for this position, can
you?
warmest, Susan
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Dear David,
I would be careful about placing too much weight on Abdu'l-Baha in
London as we don't have the original texts for any of these talks.
Abdu'l-Baha did say something similiar in talk in the US which was
recorded in PUP but there He was said to have affirmed the prophethood
of
I understood from another post by Mark Foster on this subject that
there are several Liberation Theologies, he mentioned having read
an Islamic inspired one for example.
Dear Janine,
I would say that Ali Shariati's theology could be described as
a 'liberation theology.' I don't know if
Another matter: Is it correct that the Bahá'í Faith says the
universe has no beginning? (?Abdul?-Bahá said that in SAQ)
I think what Abdu'l-Baha is saying is that there had to be *some*
universe.
Do we believe in Bing-Bang? I don't
Big-bang is based on the theory that there is a
It hasn't been distributed by the
Canadian National Assembly yet and I don't know about the US web
site.
We haven't seen this document yet.
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I am looking for history of coming of nude paintings on the
ceilings and
walls of Christian churches. When did it begin?
Dear Max,
The painiting of nudes began during the Renaissance and was largely an
outcome of their misunderstanding of Greek art. As you know, the
Renaissance represents
The original 10 commandments included a prohibition on graven images
(clothed or not). Islam has a similar restriction on representational
art.
Dear Gilberto,
The prohibition on graven images was never absolute. The Ark of the
Covenant, for instance, had golden cherubim on each end, this
Idol-making in other contexts is a VERY serious
offense.
Dear Gilberto,
Sure idol-making is. But most representational art is not idol-making.
Even most religious icons aren't idols.
warmest, Susan
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Are the restrictions on images of Shoghi Effendi?
Dear Gilberto,
I don't think so, but I know the Guardian *really* disliked having his
picture taken.
I should have added that Baha'is do not protray *any* Manifestation of
God. I'm posting the relveant texts below. My impression is that
Why would they, though, if the Bab said not to? Was the Bab okay
with them
doing this?
Dear David,
Taqiyyih or dissimulation was permissable in the Babi Dispensation.
warmest, Susan
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It was considered Hikmat, David, and the Bab allowed Hikmat.
Dear Scott,
The Baha'is practiced hikmat. Babis practiced taqiyyih.
warmest, Susan
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In my experience Bahais aren't necessarily saying right off the bat
that they are using certain terms in a very unique and unconventional
way.
Dear Gilberto,
That's because they don't see their use of those terms as 'unique'
or 'conventional.' But they do have a technical meaning in a
So could the UHJ could approve a translation, and the translation
be mistaken?
Yes, certainly.
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Dear Gilberto,
I think you are pointing to the one of the key differences between
Christianity, Islam and the Baha'i Faith. In Christianity orthodoxy or
right doctrine takes precedence over everything. Hence, correct views
of the Trinity are essential. In Islam orthopraxy is more important so
I don't think that this emphasis is very natural. I'm not sure that
Orthodoxy is a first principle which explains why they were so
nitpicky about the Trinity or Christology. There were probably
historical reasons for why the fault lines were theological.
Dear Gilberto,
It's called
I'm not sure that this is the reason. Justification by faith alone
is more of a Protestant idea, but the nit-picky theological arguments
between Catholics and Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox predate
Luther by
several cenuries.
Dear Gilberto,
It is from St. Paul who predates all of this.
You keep talking about minor details. I'm talking about foundational
issues. Shi`ah believes that Abu-Bakr, `Umar and `Uthman wrongfully
usurped `Ali's legitimate position as the Prophet's vicar and
authroizedinterpreter of the Word of God. No Sunni would ever
agree to that.
Dear Iskandar
What about Judaism? Is it an orthopraxy like Islam because they
have divine laws which they must follow to the letter?
Dear Hajir,
Yes, to a much greater extent to Islam even. You can be an Orthodox
Jew without even believing in God. Islam doesn't go that far. There is
the shahadah,
The hereditary principle is closely related to Religion, but,
what is the big matter of the blood line? Is there something like
spiritual genes which go through siyyids, afnán, aghsán or any
other human?
Dear Hasan,
That I couldn't tell you.
I think 'Abdu'l-Bahá gives some credit
If secondary prophets are those who receive the light of the
primary Prophets (Manifestation), then, they could be all saint
and apostles of our Faith (are their nature different of ours?)
Interesting question, but I don't think so.
Dear Hasan,
We talked about this passage privately
I would want to avoid sweeping absolute generalizations like that,
especially when trying to make comparisons among religions.
Dear Gilberto,
You say you are trying to avoid absolutisms and overgeneralizations
but you absolutize virtually everything I say.
For instance:
For example, if
Doesn't the Bahai faith have laws which Bahais are supposed to
follow?
In your mind, how is the orthopraxy you attribute to Islam, different
from the obedience which is required in the Bahai faith?
Dear Gilberto,
Yes, and disobeying certain of those laws can result in sanctions. But
they
At the same time, orthodox Judaism still has
certain obligatory beliefs and practices.
Dear Gilberto,
I'm talking specifically about Orthodox Jews. You can be an atheist or
an agnostic and an Orthodox Jew at the same time. I know some.
warmest, Susan
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And I thought we had talked about this before in terms of Islam.
Mainstream Sunni Islam is historically very reluctant to pronounce
takfir. It is well-established that sinning alone (in terms ordinary
vices and misdeeds) doesn't take you out of Islam. It just makes
you a
bad Muslim.
But
I think there at least two different issues.
You're missing the point, Gilberto. I am talking about *Orthodox* Jews
who follow the entirety of the Law yet do not believe in God. They are
not just Orthodox Jews because their mothers are.
Thirteen Fundamental
Principles of the Jewish faith,
I don't think you are understanding what I'm saying. There are two
different concepts which you are conflating. A
I'm telling you you are wrong. I am familiar with those two things and
I am not conflating them.
I understand that. But that doesn't mean that an atheist orthodox
Jew is
Let me double check what you are asking... You have a living
community
of Muslims where everyone else is having congregational prayers in
the
direction of Mecca. But this one person thinks thats a stupid idea
and
doesn't want to pray in the direction of Mecca and instead wants to
pray in
Dear David,
I would recommend you get Daniel Grolin's book on Jesus from George
Ronald. I think you might be barking up the wrong tree if you try and
reconcile everything the Writings say about Christian doctrine with
the Gospel accounts. As you noted, some of the material in the NT
supports
Look, if you are saying an atheist can be a Jew according to Orthodox
Judaism I totally agree with you.
Dear Gilberto,
I'm not just saying he can be a Jew, he can be an *Orthodox Jew.*
Your friend's view is an anomaly and is in no way representative of
Jewish opinion generally.
Sorry,
One thing notable in SAQ is that 'Abdu'l-Baha often gives
interpretations of
the Bible that He only comes up with from working under an
assumption. The
assumption is that the Bible is the Word of God and therefore
internally
consistent.
Dear David,
You are making an assumption
I didn't just ask you to
believe me because I'm claiming to be some kind of expert. I actually
pointed you to the references which back up what I'm saying (You
haven't done the same.)
Gilberto,
And I said what I said on the basis of my knowledge of actual Orthodox
Jews.
I would have
Which James Robinson?
Dear Scott,
I'm referring to a famous scholar whose done a lot of work on Egyptian
gnostic texts which threw a great deal of light on the question of the
ressurrection.
warmest, susan
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Maybe I didn't read carefully
enough,
but I'm not sure he has proven his point. To you and me it looks
like some
of the material in the NT supports a physical resurrection, but
this looks
to me in conflict with the Baha'i position. Shoghi Effendi says:
We do not believe that there
. About 9 years ago, one
of my very
close Jewish friends (Reformed) and I had a conversation. She was
asking me
about the Baha'i Faith, and during the conversation, I had voiced my
then-typical routine of explaining that Baha'u'llah is the coming
of the
Lord of Hosts and a fulfillment
James McConkey Robinson, associated with the Nag Hammadi Library -
impressive credentials!.
That's the one! The name of the library had slipped my tongue. What
Robinson uncovered was the fact that gnostic Christians were having
visions of the 'resurrected Jesus' who always appeared to them
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So pathetic. So inane. Such nonsense.
Look folks, let's stop the name calling.
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If you can help me honestly see how certain passages from
authoritative Bahai texts (given below) don't imply that Jews
deserved
to be persecuting for killing and rejecting Jesus,
No, I'm not going to discuss those with you. Had you asked me how I
understood those passages in the first place
working on a response to Susan's ultimatum...
Fine. Please refrain from posting until then.
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gilberto:
Your ultimatum said:
At this point you have three choices. 1) You can show me where *I*
said I believed Jews deserved to be persecuted for 2000 years for
killing Christ. 2) You can apologize for saying I believed this. 3)
You can remove yourself from thist list.
Since you
So are you telling me you don't believe in what Shoghi Effendi and
Abdul-Baha said in the passages I quoted?
I'm telling you I have no intention of explaining to you what I think
of those passages since you immediately jumped to false conclusions
about my beliefs, trying to use those passages
You asked me to show you proof of your beliefs and I pointed to three
passages from the texts you presumably believe in.
No, I asked you to show me where *I* said I believed that the Jews
deserved to be punished for 2000 years for what they did to Christ.
You gave me the option of
Gilberto,
I'm not going round and round with you on this.
By the way, you cut and pasted here in ways that completely distorted
what I was responding to. But I refuse to even get in to that with
you.
Susan:
That's not an apology to me.
What would be?
An apology would be I'm sorry
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