Re: Bahaullah's descendants was Re: Universal House of Guardianship

2010-08-30 Thread Minhaj Khan
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I know a Baha'i scholar here who says he met a grandson of Abdul Baha. I'm not sure which grandson, but the man made it clear his father broke the covenant. He broke all ties with his father and stood steadfast in the cause. Not once did he claim the role of

Re: Bahaullah's descendants was Re: Universal House of Guardianship

2010-08-30 Thread Ian Kluge
the Aghsan to the people of Baha. Best wishes, Ian Kluge - Original Message - From: Minhaj Khan mak8...@gmail.com To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 5:28 AM Subject: Re: Bahaullah's descendants was Re: Universal House of Guardianship The Baha'i

Re: Bahaullah's descendants was Re: Universal House of Guardianship

2010-08-30 Thread Shamim Bina
that leadership will pass from the Aghsan to the people of Baha. Best wishes, Ian Kluge - Original Message - From: Minhaj Khan mak8...@gmail.com To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 5:28 AM Subject: Re: Bahaullah's descendants was Re: Universal House

Re: Bahaullah's descendants was Re: Universal House of Guardianship

2010-08-30 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I would truly be grateful if you could provide some references for your statement that Abdul Baha never claimed that the guardianship was meant to be a permanent institution [and] The Kitab-i-Aqdas makes it clear that leadership will pass from the Aghsan to the

Re: Bahaullah's descendants was Re: Universal House of Guardianship

2010-08-30 Thread Iskandar Hai, M.D.
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I'm having some difficulty understanding this. Who might this grandson have been? My understanding is that before Shoghi Effendi passed away, all the aghsan had, unfortunately, broken the Covenant. No? Who is this Baha'i scholar? And can you please ask him/her to give

Re: Bahaullah's descendants was Re: Universal House of Guardianship

2010-08-30 Thread Minhaj Khan
The Baha'i Studies Listserv The scholar is Mr Pirooz Fazli living in Hyderabad, India. He told me that he was well acquainted with Ruhiyyih Khanum and a couple of other Hands of the Cause. I'll probably be meeting him tomorrow, I'll ask him for the names. All the Aghsan did break the covenant.

Re: Bahaullah's descendants was Re: Universal House of Guardianship

2010-08-27 Thread Iskandar Hai, M.D.
The Baha'i Studies Listserv According to the Will and Testament of `Abdu'l-Baha, a Guardian would have to be designated as such by his predecesor. This, obviously, can't happen any longer. Best regards, Iskandar On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Gilberto Simpson gilberto.simp...@gmail.com

Bahaullah's descendants was Re: Universal House of Guardianship

2010-08-27 Thread Gilberto Simpson
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Does anyone have a sense of what the descendants of Bahaullah actually believe in terms of religion? There is a clip on Youtube of Bahaullah's great-granddaughter and she says something about being a true Bahai. So do they believe that Bahaullah was a Manifestion

Re: Bahaullah's descendants was Re: Universal House of Guardianship

2010-08-27 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Does anyone have a sense of what the descendants of Bahaullah actually believe in terms of religion? Most of Baha'u'llah's descendants who broke the Covenant were reabsorbed back into Islam. Some even intermarried with the family of the Mufti of Jerusalem and became

Re: Bahaullah's descendants was Re: Universal House of Guardianship

2010-08-27 Thread Badí' Villar Cárdenas
The Baha'i Studies Listserv The mother of this dame was Qamar Baha'i, a person who caused much suffering to Shoghi Effendi. It is very difficult for them to join the Bahá'í Faith because they worship Muhammad-Ali. 2010/8/27 Gilberto Simpson gilberto.simp...@gmail.com The Baha'i Studies

Re: Bahaullah's descendants was Re: Universal House of Guardianship

2010-08-27 Thread Sen Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 27 Aug 2010 at 12:03, Gilberto Simpson wrote: If any of Bahaullah's descendants joined the mainstream Bahais would they be eligible for being Guardian or any other special role? They could not be the Guardian, since the prospective Guardian had to be nominated