Re: [BRLTTY] Can BRLTTY indicaste indentation?

2020-08-21 Thread Nicolas Pitre
On Fri, 21 Aug 2020, Adrian van Bloois wrote: > If you use a 40 cell display then you are using the wrong hammer for the > job. > In my professional life I alwasy worked with 80 cell displays. This is largely a question of personal taste. In my professional life I always worked with 40 cell

Re: [BRLTTY] Can BRLTTY indicaste indentation?

2020-08-21 Thread Nicolas Pitre
On Fri, 21 Aug 2020, John J. Boyer wrote: > Consider the following deeply indented Python statement. > wordType = adverb > There are five tabs. I would like BRLTTY to replace them with simicolons > ;wordType = adverb

Re: [BRLTTY] Can BRLTTY indicaste indentation?

2020-08-21 Thread Mario Lang
"John J. Boyer" writes: > Consider the following deeply indented Python statement. > wordType = adverb > There are five tabs. I would like BRLTTY to replace them with simicolons > ;wordType = adverb > This feature

Re: [BRLTTY] Can BRLTTY indicaste indentation?

2020-08-21 Thread John J. Boyer
Hello Everyone, Thanks for all your comments. I have two Freedom Scientific displays. The Pac Mate display has a tactille mark at every fifth cell. The Focus 40 display does not. I have been looking at the Orca code. Indentation levels are usually 4 spaces. There would be a problem, or better

Re: [BRLTTY] Can BRLTTY indicaste indentation?

2020-08-21 Thread Tom Masterson
I use bratty all the time for programming. However python standard says to use spaces not tabs and in fact most programming standards I use require spaces because tabs cause issues for visual as well as blind people. I use a 40 cell display and never use speech for coding. Tom Sent from my

Re: [BRLTTY] Can BRLTTY indicaste indentation?

2020-08-21 Thread S. Massy
On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 11:32:17AM -0400, Dave Mielke wrote: > Note that, on most braille displays, it isn't necessary to separately count > each leading space because it's common for there to be a feelable mark > (usually) above or below each fifth cell. Do you have examples of displays featuring

Re: [BRLTTY] Can BRLTTY indicaste indentation?

2020-08-21 Thread Dave Mielke
[quoted lines by John J. Boyer on 2020/08/21 at 09:06 -0500] >Speech screenreaders indicate indentation. Why not Braille? Of course they can, but there's a reason why such a feature is more commonly available for speech, i.e. leading whitespace is both silent and uncountable. In braille,

Re: [BRLTTY] Can BRLTTY indicaste indentation?

2020-08-21 Thread Adrian van Bloois
On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 09:00:10AM -0500, John J. Boyer wrote: > Consider the following deeply indented Python statement. > wordType = adverb > There are five tabs. I would like BRLTTY to replace them with simicolons > ;wordType = adverb

Re: [BRLTTY] Can BRLTTY indicaste indentation?

2020-08-21 Thread Adrian van Bloois
On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 09:06:47AM -0500, John J. Boyer wrote: > My display is 40 cells. Five tabs of eight spaces will make it blank. > Speech screenreaders indicate indentation. Why not Braille? I worked as a programmer for ages and I never ever used brltty for this sort of things. Identation is

Re: [BRLTTY] Can BRLTTY indicaste indentation?

2020-08-21 Thread John J. Boyer
Hello, Thanks for yolur suport. However, the tab replacements would be easier to read and even count if they were not blinking and not full cells. John On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 04:27:51PM +0200, Mgr. Janusz Chmiel wrote: > Ok. Dear kind and deeply experienced Mr Mielke. Yours C programming

Re: [BRLTTY] Can BRLTTY indicaste indentation?

2020-08-21 Thread Mgr. Janusz Chmiel
Ok. Dear kind and deeply experienced Mr Mielke. Yours C programming language experience are very deep. I believe, that if you would have some time, that you could try to implement TAB indentation feature plea from MR Boyer this excellent man could make many useful Python apps and scripts not only

Re: [BRLTTY] Can BRLTTY indicaste indentation?

2020-08-21 Thread John J. Boyer
Counting spaces is time-consuming and error-prone. I would rather spend the time coding. Again speech screenreaders can indicate indentation. Braille screenreaders should also. John On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 08:17:15AM -0500, Devin Prater wrote: > You just have to count the spaces. > Devin

Re: [BRLTTY] Can BRLTTY indicaste indentation?

2020-08-21 Thread S. Massy
On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 09:00:10AM -0500, John J. Boyer wrote: > Consider the following deeply indented Python statement. > wordType = adverb > There are five tabs. I would like BRLTTY to replace them with simicolons > ;wordType = adverb

Re: [BRLTTY] Can BRLTTY indicaste indentation?

2020-08-21 Thread John J. Boyer
My display is 40 cells. Five tabs of eight spaces will make it blank. Speech screenreaders indicate indentation. Why not Braille? On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 07:54:53AM -0400, S. Massy wrote: > On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 07:35:30AM -0400, Dave Mielke wrote: > > [quoted lines by John J. Boyer on

Re: [BRLTTY] Can BRLTTY indicaste indentation?

2020-08-21 Thread John J. Boyer
Consider the following deeply indented Python statement. wordType = adverb There are five tabs. I would like BRLTTY to replace them with simicolons ;wordType = adverb This feature would have to be optional and easy to

Re: [BRLTTY] Can BRLTTY indicaste indentation?

2020-08-21 Thread Devin Prater
You just have to count the spaces. Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Https://devinprater.github.io > On Aug 21, 2020, at 5:27 AM, John J. Boyer > wrote: > > Hello, > > I am considering trying to help with the development of Orca. However, I need > a way to indicate indentation in Python.

Re: [BRLTTY] Can BRLTTY indicaste indentation?

2020-08-21 Thread Samuel Thibault
S. Massy, le ven. 21 août 2020 07:54:53 -0400, a ecrit: > On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 07:35:30AM -0400, Dave Mielke wrote: > > [quoted lines by John J. Boyer on 2020/08/21 at 05:27 -0500] > > > > >it is really the business of the screenreader. So I am wondering if BRLTY > > >has > > >a way of

Re: [BRLTTY] Can BRLTTY indicaste indentation?

2020-08-21 Thread S. Massy
On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 07:35:30AM -0400, Dave Mielke wrote: > [quoted lines by John J. Boyer on 2020/08/21 at 05:27 -0500] > > >it is really the business of the screenreader. So I am wondering if BRLTY has > >a way of indicating indentation. > > Can you give an example of what you mean? I admit

Re: [BRLTTY] Can BRLTTY indicaste indentation?

2020-08-21 Thread Mario Lang
"John J. Boyer" writes: > Hello, > > I am considering trying to help with the development of Orca. However, > I need a way to indicate indentation in Python. > I thought of trying to get emacs to do this, but it is really the > business of the screenreader. So I am wondering if BRLTY has a way

Re: [BRLTTY] Can BRLTTY indicaste indentation?

2020-08-21 Thread Dave Mielke
[quoted lines by John J. Boyer on 2020/08/21 at 05:27 -0500] >it is really the business of the screenreader. So I am wondering if BRLTY has >a way of indicating indentation. Can you give an example of what you mean? -- I believe the Bible to be the very Word of God: http://Mielke.cc/bible/

[BRLTTY] Can BRLTTY indicaste indentation?

2020-08-21 Thread John J. Boyer
Hello, I am considering trying to help with the development of Orca. However, I need a way to indicate indentation in Python. I thought of trying to get emacs to do this, but it is really the business of the screenreader. So I am wondering if BRLTY has a way of indicating indentation.