Jim, Dave, Thank you for your very interesting emails.
On 5/23/21 3:49 AM, Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk wrote:
I would say they are all old enough and obsolete enough to be
considered "in scope" on here.
I'm glad to know that. That means that some more of my hobbies are in
scope to discuss
Hello all,
IBM also stated that personal computers will never be accepted.
Then when they finally bowed to pressure and started building personal
computers they stated that color and sound would never be necessary,
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 5/23/2021 2:06 PM, Lyle Bickley via cctalk
On Sat, 22 May 2021 23:00:31 -0600
Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
> On 5/22/21 6:50 PM, Lyle Bickley via cctalk wrote:
> > Wow, never heard of "Tokenray" ;)
>
> Nor have I.
>
> > BTW: 16 Mbit Token Ring was much more reliable (especially in "noisy"
> > environments) and considerably faster
> On May 23, 2021, at 5:18 PM, Wayne S wrote:
>
> ISTR That the 2 main issues hindering wide spread adoption of TR was cost and
> and not knowing where TR development was headed.
> The Type 1 cabling needed to each port on the hub was expensive vs thick/thin
> Ethernet with taps (as were
> On May 23, 2021, at 3:18 PM, Lyle Bickley via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 22 May 2021 23:00:31 -0600
> Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
>
>> ...
>> You can find commercial Token Ring cards that support, 4 Mbps, 16 Mbps,
>> /and/ *100* Mbps. I see them on eBay monthly.
>>
>> I heard that
On Sat, 22 May 2021 23:00:31 -0600
Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
> On 5/22/21 6:50 PM, Lyle Bickley via cctalk wrote:
> > Wow, never heard of "Tokenray" ;)
>
> Nor have I.
>
> > BTW: 16 Mbit Token Ring was much more reliable (especially in "noisy"
> > environments) and considerably faster
On 5/23/2021 4:49 AM, dave.g4...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't believe that any of the early LAN products emulated what IBMers would
call an FEP.
Generally, an FEP is a 37XX computer running NCP, EP or PEP.
I'll easily concede, as a) all of the IBM terminology seemed alien to me
when I joined the
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk On Behalf Of Jim Brain via
> cctalk
> Sent: 23 May 2021 08:03
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: IBM PC Network
>
> On 5/23/2021 12:31 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
> > On 5/22/21 7:12 PM, Jim Brain via cct
On 5/23/2021 2:02 AM, Jim Brain via cctalk wrote:
I, of course, came from UNIX and TCP/IP land, and 802.2 and all these
crazy protocols were just bizarre to me. I had bought the Comer books
right after college because I was trying to implement TCP/IP on my
Commodore 64 (got SLIP, TCP, and
On 5/23/2021 12:31 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
On 5/22/21 7:12 PM, Jim Brain via cctalk wrote:
I guess that's a selling point of TR, but I loathed it when
introduced to it after using Ethernet at UIUC. Having to learn
CPI-C, LU-2, LU-6.2, APPC, etc. and configure Communications
On 5/22/21 7:12 PM, Jim Brain via cctalk wrote:
I guess that's a selling point of TR, but I loathed it when introduced
to it after using Ethernet at UIUC. Having to learn CPI-C, LU-2,
LU-6.2, APPC, etc. and configure Communications Manager/2 on OS/2 to
emulate a FEP (3174?, not sure, my mind
On 5/22/21 6:50 PM, Lyle Bickley via cctalk wrote:
Wow, never heard of "Tokenray" ;)
Nor have I.
BTW: 16 Mbit Token Ring was much more reliable (especially in "noisy"
environments) and considerably faster with more consistent performance
than 10 Mbit Ethernet.
I've heard tell that Token
On 5/22/2021 7:50 PM, Lyle Bickley via cctalk wrote:
BTW: 16 Mbit Token Ring was much more reliable (especially in "noisy"
environments) and considerably faster with more consistent performance than 10
Mbit Ethernet. We won a number of large contracts when other network companies
used twisted
> > Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
> >
> > > Q: Does anyone have any IBM PC Network hardware and / or software that
> > > they would be willing to part with?
> >
> > My company installed a several hundred IBM PC Network equipped workstations
> > &quo
You mean a Tokenray network?
On Sat, May 22, 2021, 4:34 PM Lyle Bickley via cctalk
wrote:
> Hi Grant,
>
> On Sat, 22 May 2021 13:34:05 -0600
> Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
>
> > Q: Does anyone have any IBM PC Network hardware and / or software that
> > th
Hi Grant,
On Sat, 22 May 2021 13:34:05 -0600
Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
> Q: Does anyone have any IBM PC Network hardware and / or software that
> they would be willing to part with?
My company installed a several hundred IBM PC Network equipped workstations
"back
On 5/22/21 12:34 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_PC_Network
>
>
>
I have the tech ref on bitsavers.
This was sytek cable modem tech. In small networks you had a little frequency
translator box locally
Q: Does anyone have any IBM PC Network hardware and / or software that
they would be willing to part with?
The recent "COMPAQ ISA PC to ethernet" thread got me thinking about IBM
PC Network (and ARCnet) again.
Sadly, Wikipedia's IBM PC Network article [1] is about the mo
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