Showing your work is not drawing 96 1's. That's not math, it's stupid. As
for how it's done:
Old way
5+3 = 9
1+111=9
WRONG
New way
5+3=9
1+111=9
BCR: There were no coins on the table, I took five pennies out of my pocket
and put them on the table. Then I borrowed 3 nickels from Sally
It is aimed at the least intelligent, all advanced classes don't use common
core once they enter middle school. The reason the parents don't understand
it is the way the questions are worded make zero sense. If you weren't in
class to hear the strange instructions you could never figure a lot of
just to update this, my twins got their Stanford test results back for this
year. They are in 5th grade, but tested at a 9th grade equivalent in math.
Very similar to the results of our oldest, all taught using methods very
similar to common core.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Judah
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox
zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com wrote:
just to update this, my twins got their Stanford test results back for this
year. They are in 5th grade, but tested at a 9th grade equivalent in math.
Very similar to the results of our oldest, all
Oops, i said daughters but don't know the gender of your twins..sorry.
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 10:33 AM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox
zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com wrote:
just to update this, my twins got their Stanford test
My son's are both in advanced classes, neither common core.
Finn is in STEM.
They live in NC, the schools are shit, but I had them writing code by 12,
and they are bright as Hell without some of the early strikes I had.
On May 21, 2014 11:33 AM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, May
you were right, 3 girls.
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 10:33 AM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
Oops, i said daughters but don't know the gender of your
twins..sorry.
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 10:33 AM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox
Montessori is nothing like common core.
We don't use Stanford tests in MD and I'm not sure why it would be testing
for 9th grade on a fifth grade test. This is the second year for the CC
test in our school and last year my daughter got 100% on one math test, 97%
on the other and low 90's on the
He's using Montessori and Stanford Achievement tests. This has nothing at
all to do with common core.
.
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 11:33 AM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox
zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com wrote:
just to update this, my
At least that's what this Florida representative thinks :)
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On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
It sounds like he's saying commie core promotes gay lifestyles a lot, as in
getting the little kids to understand and be tolerant,
Understanding and tolerance?!?!?!?!?!?!
HOLY FUCK!!
Take it away, Judge McShane:
Let us
If he does, wow. If not, you have to give him credit for knowing how to
rile up his target audience.
On 5/20/2014 10:50 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
Not sure, I've had to listen to my teahadi neighbours and they
honestly and sincerely believe that sort of thing.
I don't know anything about it. I will ask my mom her opinion. She is
a first grade teacher.
On 5/20/2014 11:47 AM, GMoney wrote:
If anyone on here has practical experience with it and can give concrete
examples of what they think is wrong with itor perhaps how it's turning
them
WTF is the gay lifestyle?
As for Common Core, I'm reserving judgement. My daughter is finishing up
1st grade and going into 2nd and so I don't know that I've really seen the
full effect yet. I generally like the way they are teaching math, though it
is a bit slow for my daughter, and they are
My daughter is finishing up first grade and, as far as I can tell, not
actually gay yet. She can be pretty stubborn, though, so maybe the gay
lifestyle teachers haven't brought her up to speed yet. It didn't mention
on her report card, I'll have to bring it up with her 2nd grade teacher.
She
my kiddos have all gone through Montessori education and were taught math
in a very similar manner to common core. My oldest ended up skipping
Algebra 1 once she got into middle school and has maintained a 96 average
all year.
If you've seen the New Math photo that's been endlessly circulated,
What I don't understand is that people on both sides seem to be
ignoring what the research says when it comes to the Common Core
Curriculum. Why not go with what works the best?
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox
zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com wrote:
my kiddos have all gone
RIght. Research suggests this may work better. SO let's try it.
Now research doesn't always translate into the real world, but there's only
one way to find out. IF the upside is better educated kids, and the
downside is going back to the way it was.there's no reason NOT to try.
On Tue, May
So run a few large scale studies using a Quasi-Experimental approach.
Take a set of schools that are statistically equivalent on the
dependent measures. Then randomly assign them to either the current
approaches or the CCC. Then see what happens over a 5 or 10 year
period. And do that in 4 or 5
Do you really think a nation wide cookie cutter approach to education is
the best idea in a country as large and diverse as ours?
Isn't this the very reason we have states and counties? Tailored localized
responses?
On May 20, 2014 1:16 PM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote:
So run
If it was being done right, or decently, or even just good enough to eke
by, there wouldn't be a national push. (that had any traction)
Unfortunately, there are a LOT of places in this country where dumb and
uneducated is DESIRED.
But fortunately, as a nation, we have collectively decided that
I'm not sure, honestly. Can you see a good reason to teach algebra
differently in Macon, GA and Portland, OR?
There may be good arguments for local variations, I'd have to hear them.
The biggest variations, in my opinion, should be by a teacher who needs to
accommodate different learning styles
Last I checked Tim 2 plus 2 still equals 4 in most places in the US.
Most other standards work the same way. You still have standard parts
of sentences, and basic science is still basic science in most places,
(except for Kansas and Texas possibly).
Kids generally learn in similar ways
I'm not as concerned with math and hard sciences as I am history and social
sciences.
I'm not up in arms over sex positive education either. The things I've
seen dealing with the revolutionary war, the constitution, the bill of
rights and Lincoln and the civil war have been dangerously
I haven't had any issues with it...my daughter is going into 4th grade next
year.
Eric
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Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 10:48 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Common Core will turn your children gay
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:10
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:47 AM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
It sounds like he's saying commie core promotes gay lifestyles a lot, as
in
getting the little kids to understand and be tolerant,
Understanding and tolerance?!?!?!?!?!?!
HOLY FUCK!!
Take it away, Judge McShane:
Was there a referendum I missed and a constitutional amendment to provide
for it?
On May 20, 2014 1:33 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson jmi...@gmail.com wrote:
If it was being done right, or decently, or even just good enough to eke
by, there wouldn't be a national push. (that had any traction)
.
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Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 12:21 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Common Core will turn your children gay
Do you really think a nation wide cookie cutter approach to education is the
best idea in a country as large and diverse
I'll skip the rest of your junk and get to the only thing of importance.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
I am trying it. I help my daughter with her homework. It's a joke. I also
taught her the old fashioned way to do math and her teacher allows her to
Common Core is adopted voluntarily by states (as evidenced by the fact that
not all states have adopted it). There are benefits that come with adopting
it (like not having to write your own curriculum and being able to bulk
purchase materials designed to a multi-state curriculum) and downsides
Not anymore. Now you have to explain your answer (bcr = brief constructed
response) and if you do a good job explaining why you think 2 + 2 = 5 you
win.
.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.comwrote:
Last I checked Tim 2 plus 2 still equals 4 in most places in
Subject: Re: Common Core will turn your children gay
Do you really think a nation wide cookie cutter approach to education is the
best idea in a country as large and diverse as ours?
Isn't this the very reason we have states and counties? Tailored localized
responses?
On May 20, 2014 1:16 PM
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
Not anymore. Now you have to explain your answer (bcr = brief constructed
response) and if you do a good job explaining why you think 2 + 2 = 5 you
win.
I have absolutely no problem with that.
but, if any teacher accepts an
nice bit of story there, but we're talking non fiction. NOT reich wing canards.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
Not anymore. Now you have to explain your answer (bcr = brief constructed
response) and if you do a good job explaining why you think 2 + 2 = 5 you
The way they were teaching is when you add over three numbers, you use a
scratch sheet and add all the numbers that are close to ten, then add them
together. You needed a worksheet to add rather than just adding down in a
column and doing math in your head. I've read it takes the thinking out of
They were paid. Race To The Top grants were offered as bribes to states to
surrender their rights to education their children. Many are rethinking
this.
.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote:
Common Core is adopted voluntarily by states (as evidenced by
In a lot of ways it seems like it's aimed at the slowest learners and least
intelligent, what happens to the best and brightest.
On May 20, 2014 2:06 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
The way they were teaching is when you add over three numbers, you use a
scratch sheet and add all the
Yeah i've seen those viral examples. Proponents say that when specific
examples are taken by themselves, without the context of the instructions
on how they should be interpreted, they are going to look ridiculous. (Show
a piece of C# code to a novice and they'll say 'that's what you do all day?
That should be handled at the classroom level.
Common Core, or ANY standards for that matter, should never be leveled in a
one size fits all approach at the micro level. No teacher worth their
salt would conduct their class thusly.
Teachers have many techniques they use to try and continue to
Really?
.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 2:02 PM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
Not anymore. Now you have to explain your answer (bcr = brief constructed
response) and if you do a good job explaining why you think 2 + 2 = 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW0VxxoCrNo
.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.comwrote:
nice bit of story there, but we're talking non fiction. NOT reich wing
canards.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
Not anymore. Now
The viral example works. It's not taken out of context. It's just stupid.
.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 2:11 PM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah i've seen those viral examples. Proponents say that when specific
examples are taken by themselves, without the context of the instructions
on
Of course.
Your simplistic example makes it seem ridiculous, but as the math gets more
complicated, it makes more and more sense.
But the result is the same, Sam: 2 + 2 does not equal 5. Put another way,
it's impossible to do a good job of explaining why you think 2+2=5.
On Tue, May 20, 2014
Of course it is out of context. I have never seen the instructions for how
I'm supposed to approach a math problem using common core, so how am i
supposed to look at the example of a common core problem, and say how
absurd it is
Oh, wait, i know the answer to that: Im supposed to have a
I don't think they are. They're looking at selling computers and tests.
Very little effort actually went into the standards. The rich get richer
and the poor get poorer. Private school graduates will be the only money
makers in the future.
.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 2:09 PM, LRS Scout
That's the issue, no numbers, just nice stories. Where are the data?
The thing is I rather doubt that the opponents of the CC can provide
much beyond anecdote and stories. And those aren't worth the pixels
they waste.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 2:11 PM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah i've
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
Very little effort actually went into the standards.
Please back up this claim.
I have read several articles written by some of the original developers of
these standards, and that was HARDLY the impression I got.
Than why allow it?
How about the 427 - 316 problem?
On another note, since my daughter was accepted into the 6th grade STEM
program she won't have to do Common Core math. That right there should
speak volumes about it's college readiness.
.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 2:23 PM, GMoney
The solution is on the top of the page.
427 - 100 = 327
- 100 = 227
- 100 - 127
- 10 = 117
- 1 = 116
- 1 = 115
- 1 = 114
- 1 = 113
-1 = 112
-1 = 111 answer
.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 2:25 PM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
Of course it is out of context. I have never seen the instructions
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
On another note, since my daughter was accepted into the 6th grade STEM
program she won't have to do Common Core math. That right there should
speak volumes about it's college readiness.
That right there could mean LOT'S of
If it's aimed at the least intelligent, why are all these parents having
trouble understanding it then?
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 1:09 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:
In a lot of ways it seems like it's aimed at the slowest learners and least
intelligent, what happens to the best and
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2014/03/24/ravitch-the-best-reason-to-oppose-the-common-core-standards/
.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 2:34 PM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
Very little effort actually
yeah see that looks foreign to mejust like Cold Fusion did the first
time I saw it.
I'll have to LEARN a little bit, won't I? Then, i'll take that out for a
spin and see if I think i've learned something better, easier and faster.
THen i'll be in a better position to offer an opinion on CC.
Nice way out, so unless you sit through an entire semester, you can't make
a judgment. I guess CC wins.
.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 2:43 PM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
On another note, since my daughter was accepted
probably because Faux Snooze and World Net Daily told him so.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 2:34 PM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
Very little effort actually went into the standards.
Please back up this claim.
I have read
It's not learning, it's like drawing 427 1's and crossing out 100 at a
time. Actually, my daughter has to do that also. That's one of the ways
they teach. 96 - 3 = 93 but you get it marked wrong if you don't draw the
96 ticks and cross out 3 of them. Nice for 1st grade but not 5th.
.
On Tue,
I prefer not to form opinions on subjects on which I am ignorant, until I
have better acclimated myself with their inner workings.
I can see how that might seem foreign to you.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
Nice way out, so unless you sit through an entire
I just can't fathom the whole attitude of wah! I don't understand it, it
must be evil
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.comwrote:
probably because Faux Snooze and World Net Daily told him so.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 2:34 PM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com
As someone with a college math degree, I can say that that is, in fact, how
math is really done. You can take short cuts on arithmetic by memorizing
tables, sure. Fundamentally, however, it is more about how you approach a
problem and the techniques that go into solving it. If you learn the
Advanced math and science students are not doing Common Core, the rest are.
I'm not sure how that's a good thing for CC.
.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 2:43 PM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
That right there could mean LOT'S of things. Perhaps they feel it better
suited for the younger
Yeah yeah, all students dread this sentence: Show your work.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
It's not learning, it's like drawing 427 1's and crossing out 100 at a
time. Actually, my daughter has to do that also. That's one of the ways
they teach. 96 - 3 =
I'm informed, this is my second year with this garbage.
Also, my daughter can't write script because none of the other students can
read it since it's no longer taught. Sometimes they grade each others
papers.
.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 2:50 PM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
I prefer not
That is just showing the steps, nothing complicated at all.
You have 427 and you want to take away 316. The way to do it quickly and
easily in your head:
316 is three 100s, so take away three 100s. 427,327,227. And it is one 10.
Now we've got 217. And now we are taking away six 1s.
If you can't add in your head you're useless. It's not a matter of
mesmerizing sums, but how to compute on the fly. See the numbers in your
head. It's like using your navigator to get every where and then you're
phone dies you're lost. Many don't pay attention to the where they are or
where
9 pipes with three crossed out is showing work. 96 is art class. That
reminds me, she often has to draw pictures for math homework. I get that,
but not for homework. That's family time.
.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 2:53 PM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah yeah, all students dread this
Maybe you and Larry should get a room, or another thread.
.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox
zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com wrote:
I just can't fathom the whole attitude of wah! I don't understand it, it
must be evil
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Larry C. Lyons
New Math vs Old Way - highlights how easy it is to present a problem
that gives your preferred method the advantage.
http://imgur.com/uePcpfB
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote:
That is just showing the steps, nothing complicated at all.
You have
Taylor Series were the bane of my AP calculus exam.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:43 AM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
On another note, since my daughter was accepted into the 6th grade STEM
program she won't have to do
Nice. Problem solving in action: use the best method for the problem at
hand.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox
zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com wrote:
New Math vs Old Way - highlights how easy it is to present a problem
that gives your preferred method the advantage.
Really?? I loved them.
My math bane is now, and always will be, matrices.
To this day I cannot add or multiply two matrices together. Can't do it. Oh
and regular expressionsand that one really pains me because of the
obvious tie-in to my chosen profession!
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 2:10
It doesn't.
How do calculate the one on the left in your head?
The one on the right has subtraction vs addition. Try that with numbers
different numbers, say 2574 - 1386
.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox
zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com wrote:
New Math vs Old Way -
I just hadn't studied them in high school calculus. I took the BC calculus
test (there were two available, the AB which is the easier one and the BC
which was harder) and I guess my teacher hadn't expected that or some such.
She felt bad.
I thought that matrices were fun. I love linear algebra,
Weird thing is that Matrices for me were quite easy. I didn't have to
struggle as much as I did with the other parts of Calculus.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 3:13 PM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
Really?? I loved them.
My math bane is now, and always will be, matrices.
To this day I cannot
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote:
Regular expressions are just a tool of the devil.
Yeah, a very powerful tool!
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On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 12:24 PM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com
wrote:
Regular expressions are just a tool of the devil.
Yeah, a very powerful tool!
True dat.
Is there a like button on this thing somewhere?
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote:
My daughter is finishing up first grade and, as far as I can tell, not
actually gay yet. She can be pretty stubborn, though, so maybe the gay
lifestyle teachers
Yeah,,requiring someone to provide proof or show their work would
certainly explain when certain pundits and politicians are so
adamantly opposed.
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 2:53 PM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah yeah, all students dread this sentence: Show your work.
Habit and training
On May 20, 2014 2:44 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com
wrote:
If it's aimed at the least intelligent, why are all these parents having
trouble understanding it then?
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 1:09 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:
In a lot of
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