Re: openmoko and gnuradio

2007-07-14 Thread ewanm89
i've just find out this amazing project, and one thing i wonder is if there should be posible (or maybe openmoko is thinking already about this) to design a mobile phone with the necesary hardware to run gnuradio. with that kind of architecture we could access all the rf

Re: Feds snub open source for 'smart' radios

2007-07-14 Thread ewanm89
On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 09:38:51 +0200 Raphaël Jacquot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brad Midgley wrote: Hey This got me thinking about how flexible the radio is. Is the sim card wired right into the gsm module? It would be nice if the phone could play nice with sim access profile (SAP)

Re: t-shirts in the US

2007-07-14 Thread Mark Chandler
Sounds like a cool (and very large!) community. The .com site should be okay. They already state that they ship to Australia. The .net site, where the shirt designs started, doesn't ship to Oz. Now that the shirts are available on both sites, that should provide a good range of delivery

Finally I received another response from OpenMoko Shop

2007-07-14 Thread Krzysztof Kajkowski
Hi! I want to share with you that I received another mail from OpenMoko Shop which seems to be sent to everyone. Here it goes (if anyone's curious): Dear Valued Customer, since there has been some misunderstanding, we just want you to confirm one more time that you are aware that our products

Re: Finally I received another response from OpenMoko Shop

2007-07-14 Thread Jeff Andros
yeah... I got one of those too... I don't want to bother any of the guys... but it sure would be nice to get a we received your reply email, it's cool you're a developer, and we've reserved the orange model you requested(yeah, I'm down with the orange... ya'll can have the boring black and

Re: Open Source In Mobile (OSiM) conference, September, Spain

2007-07-14 Thread Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente
You are not alone ;-) 2007/7/13, José Ignacio [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You'll be welcome to come here to Spain! :) By the way, as I seem to be the only Spaniard here, do you know the meaning of 'Moko' in Spanish? It's hard to tell people here about your great platform after they listen to its name!

Re: A little bad press? OpenMoko already facing difficulties?

2007-07-14 Thread Mickael Faivre-Macon
I think that - most of the openmoko related blog readers now are developpers. They like to be informed of what kind of difficulties developers are facing right now. They (we) can be patient. I like to read positive news, but if truth is not made clear in the blogs, I would begin to think this

Re: order confirmation numbers

2007-07-14 Thread Visti Andresen
On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:21:59 +0200 Visti Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As the advanced unit was only depicted in black/silver I did't write any note regarding the colour of the unit. As this has changed I tried to write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (with the [rt.internal.openmoko.org #18xx]

Cannot reply to the email with YES_I_DO so I have ordered again

2007-07-14 Thread Justyn Butler
I accidentally originally ordered my OpenMoko using the email [EMAIL PROTECTED] when my email address is actually [EMAIL PROTECTED](explanation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gmail#United_Kingdom). Mail sent to @gmail.com rather than @googlemail.com still reaches me, but it will not allow me to

Re: freetheiphone.org

2007-07-14 Thread Zoltan HERPAI
You mean to get Openmoko sw running on the iCrap^WPhone? This is pervert, but nice ;) -w- Mike wrote: Just launched today, I figure we should be aware. Maybe we could turn this into an opportunity to increase awareness of the neo: http://freetheiphone.org/

Re: natural selection

2007-07-14 Thread Visti Andresen
On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 11:39:41 +0200 Christian Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I begin to wonder if there is some game to play. Perhaps LaForges blogentry and that shop mail would filter those I just want a Neo to play but i'm still not sure what i will do with it-people - like me.

Again: Advertising thoughts

2007-07-14 Thread openmokolist . 50 . minime
Hi list, I'm a little bit concerned about advertising issues. I've seen the existing OpenMoko ads - I like them though I think they wouldn't do the whole job. What about ol' grandma, she doesn't want no phone with command line ;-) We need to care about low-feature users, too. Users that are

Re: Again: Advertising thoughts

2007-07-14 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Saturday 14 July 2007 13:54:30 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about ol' grandma, she doesn't want no phone with command line ;-) We need to care about low-feature users, too. Users that are IMNSHO, low feature users neither want nor should pay 300-450$ for a phone. A 40$ Nokia 1110 much

Re: A little bad press? OpenMoko already facing difficulties?

2007-07-14 Thread Frans Grotepass
On Friday 13 July 2007 23:54, Simon wrote: Also, the fact that negative aspect of this quest for freedom is being shared, is so you can feel the reality of the challenge too. All in all, these are all secret techniques to induce genuine happiness in all of you who are waiting! =) I'm glad to

Support for Left handers

2007-07-14 Thread Giles Jones
Hi, I'm new here, I have an OpenMoko on order and hope to do some development. I'll contribute ideas and bug reports at the least. I'm not sure I've ever used a touch screen mobile device that caters for left handed people. On the whole there aren't many issues with using devices left

Again: Advertising thoughts

2007-07-14 Thread openmokolist . 50 . minime
You are right about that. Nevertheless, people who would buy Windows Mobile/Symbian will be even more gracious for a easy to handle phone. But we should bare in mind that there are more OpenMoko-phones to come (as announced), AFAIK also a small one. tim/minime

Re: Again: Advertising thoughts

2007-07-14 Thread Edwin Lock
But you shouldn't forget the people who aren't so technical and still want to have a phone that can do a lot, there are loads running around with win mobile phones. They won't be attracted by the ads showing how they can be freed, cause they won't care if they are free or not, they just want to

Re: Again: Advertising thoughts

2007-07-14 Thread Giles Jones
On 14 Jul 2007, at 13:29, Edwin Lock wrote: But you shouldn't forget the people who aren't so technical and still want to have a phone that can do a lot, there are loads running around with win mobile phones. They won't be attracted by the ads showing how they can be freed, cause they won't

Re: Support for Left handers

2007-07-14 Thread Clare Johnstone
I have noticed some suggestions for managing the touchscreen which would be difficult for people lacking part of an important finger. Arthriticky tendencies in those remaining wont help either sigh Hoping for easy stylus management... clare On 7/14/07, Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi,

Re: t-shirts in the US

2007-07-14 Thread Jae Stutzman
I think it would be nice to add a T-Shirt design that had the large openmoko logo on the front and the free you phone on the back. There is one there similar but it is reversed. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Support for Left handers

2007-07-14 Thread Jae Stutzman
On 7/14/07, Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm new here, I have an OpenMoko on order and hope to do some development. I'll contribute ideas and bug reports at the least. I'm not sure I've ever used a touch screen mobile device that caters for left handed people. On the whole there

Re: Support for Left handers

2007-07-14 Thread Jason Elwell
I am left handed. Considerations of this sort could be a great feature for the Neo. -Jason On Saturday 14 July 2007 07:18:10 Giles Jones wrote: Hi, I'm new here, I have an OpenMoko on order and hope to do some development. I'll contribute ideas and bug reports at the least. I'm not

X Server MultiTouch Support

2007-07-14 Thread Joshua Hansen
Some other people have already added MultiTouch support to X Server. All that would be needed would be a screen capable of recognizing this. http://www.ehomeupgrade.com/entry/4072/microsoft_surface_watch -- ~ All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. ~

Re: Cannot reply to the email with YES_I_DO so I have ordered again

2007-07-14 Thread Casey Harkins
Justyn Butler wrote: I accidentally originally ordered my OpenMoko using the email [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] when my email address is actually [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (explanation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gmail#United_Kingdom). Mail sent to @gmail.com

Re: freetheiphone.org

2007-07-14 Thread Mark
First of all I really don't think its the legislatures business to prevent a company from making their device however they want. The consumers are dumb enough to buy it, thats their problem. Secondly I fail to see what the 700MHz sale has to do with that. It will have not affect on the iPhone

Re: Support for Left handers

2007-07-14 Thread Edwin Lock
I am left-handed too. And I noticed on my nokia 770 a lot of interaction is needed on the right side, not only the scrollbar but also the exit button etc. Maybe there would be a way to just turn the window around, left side to the right, and vice versa? Should be a pretty basic thing to

Problem with emial order confirmation

2007-07-14 Thread Ken Young
I ordered the neo1973 on the first day the openmoko.com site went live. Today I received a message, saying that to confirm the order, I must reply to the email with a message containing (as the first characters of an otherwise empty line) the string YES_I_DO . However, when I sent that

Re: Support for Left handers

2007-07-14 Thread Mark
Adding left hand support shouldn't be too hard. We would just add a config option that is read by the ui library and then everyone that uses the standard ui library would automatically have a left handed application. So the main question is what all do you want moved(I am right handed)? The

Re: Support for Left handers

2007-07-14 Thread Giles Jones
On 14 Jul 2007, at 17:57, Edwin Lock wrote: I am left-handed too. And I noticed on my nokia 770 a lot of interaction is needed on the right side, not only the scrollbar but also the exit button etc. Maybe there would be a way to just turn the window around, left side to the right, and vice

Re: Problem with emial order confirmation

2007-07-14 Thread Visti Andresen
On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 21:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Ken Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I ordered the neo1973 on the first day the openmoko.com site went live. Today I received a message, saying that to confirm the order, I must reply to the email with a message containing (as the first characters

Re: Problem with emial order confirmation

2007-07-14 Thread Ian Darwin
Ken Young wrote: I ordered the neo1973 on the first day the openmoko.com site went live. Today I received a message, saying that to confirm the order, I must reply to the email with a message containing (as the first characters of an otherwise empty line) the string YES_I_DO . However,

Re: freetheiphone.org

2007-07-14 Thread Mike
Um, er, it's not my web site, and I haven't said I support their effort. I said I figure we should be aware... of this effort they're doing... m Mark wrote: First of all I really don't think its the legislatures business to prevent a company from making their device however they want.

Re: Support for Left handers

2007-07-14 Thread Jae Stutzman
On 7/14/07, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adding left hand support shouldn't be too hard. We would just add a config option that is read by the ui library and then everyone that uses the standard ui library would automatically have a left handed application. So the main question is what all

Re: Support for Left handers

2007-07-14 Thread Edwin Lock
I would agree, I didn't really think when saying it should be mirrored ;) I thought about it and at the moment I think only the scrollbar should be changed.. But I am still a little confused about how an application gets closed? I can't see an X anywhere, and I couldn't find any information in

Re: Support for Left handers

2007-07-14 Thread Jason Elwell
Added section for a left-handed mode to the UI Improvements page. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/UI_Improvements#Left-handed_UI_Support Regards, Jason1 On Saturday 14 July 2007 13:21:33 Jae Stutzman wrote: On 7/14/07, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adding left hand support shouldn't be too

Re: X Server MultiTouch Support

2007-07-14 Thread Brandon Kruse
I agree Joshua. Have seen this vid awhile back, it would be great. We all the onscreen keyboard wont be so great with single touch, its just a fact. Something like this would change everything, and, as mentioned in the article, would make it so that you could use compiz also? A cube on your

Re: freetheiphone.org

2007-07-14 Thread Adam Krikstone
I'm with the idiots for a wireless carterfone decision. I don't think we were better off with with renting landline phones from ATT. There's nothing stopping a GSM provider from blocking all unbranded IMEI's, including your neo. The idiots other website: http://www.savetheinternet.com/

Re:Problem with emial order confirmation

2007-07-14 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Ken Young writes: I ordered the neo1973 on the first day the openmoko.com site went live. Today I received a message, saying that to confirm the order, I must reply to the email with a message containing (as the first characters of an otherwise empty line) the string YES_I_DO . However,

Re: freetheiphone.org

2007-07-14 Thread Adam Krikstone
It's the same as a lost or stolen GSM phone. You can have your provider block the IMEI from registering. You can still use that phone on another provider but not with the provider that blocked it. I would not put the idea of blocking foreign IMEI aside as a carrier could this under the

Re: freetheiphone.org

2007-07-14 Thread Ian Stirling
Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Adam Krikstone writes: I'm with the idiots for a wireless carterfone decision. I don't think we were better off with with renting landline phones from ATT. There's nothing stopping a GSM provider from blocking all unbranded IMEI's, including your neo. I'll agree

Re: freetheiphone.org

2007-07-14 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Adam Krikstone writes: It's the same as a lost or stolen GSM phone. You can have your provider block the IMEI from registering. You can still use that phone on another provider but not with the provider that blocked it. I would not put the idea of blocking foreign IMEI aside as a carrier

3G SIMs?

2007-07-14 Thread Marco Barreno
I have a question about SIM cards. If I have a 3G phone with its 3G SIM, will I be able to put that SIM in the Neo? My carrier is ATT in the US. I think the answer is yes, because ATT is having their old Cingular customers upgrade to new 3G SIMs to put in their phones even if they're 2G GSM

Re: Support for Left handers

2007-07-14 Thread Ortwin Regel
Shouldn't the spinner thing replace scrollbars, though? What else would it be for? On 7/14/07, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adding left hand support shouldn't be too hard. We would just add a config option that is read by the ui library and then everyone that uses the standard ui library

Re: Support for Left handers

2007-07-14 Thread Ortwin Regel
All finger buttons should be easily usable with a stylus. We are not the iPhone. On 7/14/07, Clare Johnstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have noticed some suggestions for managing the touchscreen which would be difficult for people lacking part of an important finger. Arthriticky tendencies in

Re: Again: Advertising thoughts

2007-07-14 Thread Adam Krikstone
I'm the guy that did the youtube videos. For those that would like to hear my opinion on advertising. This would apply to the public launch. 1. Don't mention linux ever. Refer to things as open, free, unrestricted, etc... while showing what that means. 2. Don't compare the neo side by side

Re: Again: Advertising thoughts

2007-07-14 Thread Mike
I agree with all of this, and I want to add that the aGPS stuff is our counter to the iphone's camera. Inevitably there will be side by side comparisons after launch (every phone will be compared to the iphone), and the gps is our counter to the camera. I also think that the general public

Re: Support for Left handers

2007-07-14 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Joe Friedrichsen writes: On 7/14/07, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shouldn't the spinner thing replace scrollbars, though? What else would it be for? Here here! I very much like the idea of not having scrollbars. If anything, maybe a narrow indicator that shows relative position in the

Re: natural selection

2007-07-14 Thread Jeff Andros
On 7/14/07, Visti Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 11:39:41 +0200 Christian Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I begin to wonder if there is some game to play. Perhaps LaForges blogentry and that shop mail would filter those I just want a Neo to play but i'm still

Re: Support for Left handers

2007-07-14 Thread Jeff Andros
On 7/14/07, Clare Johnstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/15/07, Joe Friedrichsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . We have a *touch screen* folks! Why use a widget that was made to replace tactile interaction when the whole screen can be a widget? Seems like a little overly zealous retrofitting. .

Re: Finally I received another response from OpenMoko Shop

2007-07-14 Thread Ben
I cancelled my order after getting this email, for a few reasons: 1. I'm not a developer - I'm learning Python, but there isn't even bindings yet, and this release is for developers of the phone, not developers of stuff for the phone. 2. I get the impression that there has been a *lot* of

Re: freetheiphone.org

2007-07-14 Thread Mark
My apologies to Mike, if I came off harsh on you, I was only referring to the site creators. It just really bugs me when people use irrelevant things to push their political agenda. If anyone has a good reason how 'freeing' a frequency that a device does not use will affect a device at all, by

Re: Support for Left handers

2007-07-14 Thread Joe Friedrichsen
On 7/14/07, Jeff Andros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we need a way to select which on-screen item to scroll if there's more than one (for simplicity's sake this should be a rare occurance... but web sites love scrollable elements). Yes, good point; and there is one method already. Have you ever

Re: AW: 3G SIMs?

2007-07-14 Thread werner stadler
Hi. 3 in Austria works with the GSM infrastructure of another provider (A1), if no UMTS-network is available. So it should be one of most cases?? (I have the option to change my carrier in dec., and I will do so, if my 3 USIM is not compatible with the neo 1973 !) werner Well, in most cases

well, that didn't take long

2007-07-14 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
A Neo is being offered on ebay. With a buy-it-now price of $416.00. Item No. 170129612124 Let's hope the top bid is, oh, $150. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community