It seems to me from my former-product-mananger perspective that OpenMoko
doesn't really want to be in the software business.
I'm sensing a business model that has OpenMoko focussing on selling
general-purpose computing hardware (like Dell or ASUS). but in a handheld
format, and letting
Ken Restivo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It seems to me from my former-product-mananger perspective that
OpenMoko doesn't really want to be in the software business.
why would they do ASU/FSO then? i don't buy this.
I'm sensing a business model that has OpenMoko focussing on selling
you seem very passionate about your concerns. If you are going to
linux
world I'd be happy to meet and discuss things.
Or if you can make a list of specific problems I can try to
explain or
address your concerns.
[reply off-list]
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Jay Vaughan
About Jay, I apologize if I attached personally it, but he was
attaching
a lot of person of this ML, and it was not too much nice.
I don't believe I attacked any one person specifically, personally,
but okay .. lets move on. There is code to be written and new things
to be talked
Nkoli wrote:
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Having worked in Open-Hardware for over 15 years now, I was, in fact,
expecting a much more coherent strategy for the software platform on
Freerunner than just let the
I think my first project will be called MokoBingo! (with the
exclamation mark!)! It will check the mailing list on a regular basis
and the Freerunner will make a squeaky noise when any of the
following terms are encountered:
heh heh .. please do this! :)
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Jay Vaughan
Jay, your negative posts on this ML do nothing but foster an
unpleasant atmosphere. Last I checked, no one put a gun to your head
and forced you to buy or design for the FR. If you're tired of
waiting for the device to become stable, sell the phone and check
back again in about a
If you need a benevolent dictator to lead, why not become one
yourself?
Because there is one already, he just doesn't have any power to make
smart design decisions because of some new-age hippy-dippy faff.
If you need standards why not make them? This is not a responsibility
of the
Jay, your negative posts on this ML do nothing but foster an
unpleasant atmosphere
Actually I disagree a bit here. Jay is not trolling but just saying
where he's trying to come from.
Thank you Kalle .. no, I'm not trolling, yes I am voicing a strong
opinion, yes I do think the Freerunner is
If you need a benevolent dictator to lead, why not become one yourself?
If you need standards why not make them? This is not a responsibility
of the Openmoko team. They already gave us the damn thing to build it
all on. This really is the job of the community. Stop whining and start
doing the
Hi,
Jay Vaughan schrieb:
[snip]
This does not work. That is all.
As Sean already said. You are only speaking for yourself.
I am glad that OpenMoko is not just another half-open half-closed effort
that once thought: Oh look Linux. It doesn't cost a dime. Let's make
something that is flashy
I have to agree with Kalle Jay,
While i part of me would like to see a nailed down platform with a clear
definition of tools, UI standards, platform support, documentation
standards(one I've been yelling about recently) I also understand OM's
struggle to produce a viable open source product
This does not work. That is all.
As Sean already said. You are only speaking for yourself.
I am not alone in my view.
I am glad that OpenMoko is not just another half-open half-closed
effort
that once thought: Oh look Linux. It doesn't cost a dime. Let's make
something that is flashy
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Jay Vaughan wrote:
I'm glad OpenMoko has as many rabid fanboix as other projects, it
means there is hope yet ..
Usually I am not too much disposed to moderation in a ML, but now I am
started to think:
In these two days you wrote around 15 email
I am no one to tell to you how to use your time, but I personally
thing
that continuing to use your time to repeat how many stupid things
Openmoko do, and complaining how many fanboy there are, is not the
best
way to help this project. Then do you what do you think is better!
I don't
Hehe.
Michele your comment made my day and I read hundreds of emails per day
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michele Renda
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 7:03 AM
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Subject: Re: [openmoko-announce
On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 16:02 +0200, Michele Renda wrote:
I think this require some hours hour man-time (let suppose 3-4 h)
I'll agree that responding as Jay has takes considerable time, but I
disagree with what a person can do.
In 3-4 hours a person can do:
To learn a bit how to write
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Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 7:53 AM
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Subject: Re: [openmoko-announce] Openmoko on Design
I am no one to tell to you how to use your time, but I personally
thing that continuing to use your time to repeat how many stupid
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Cristopher, let me to understand why you are so in angry.
Like you I sent my 350 Eur postcard (= 2 month of my house rent) for a
phone that I was knowing was not software complete (and some possible
hardware bug).
OM wrote very well on the homepage
Hi Michele,
Cristopher, let me to understand why you are so in angry.
Forgive me if I came across as very angry. I actually am not. I am
frustrated, but I do not find fault with anyone in this regard.
Like you I sent my 350 Eur postcard (= 2 month of my house rent) for a
phone that I was
On 7/29/08 Stroller wrote:
Initially I was
really angry about the whole removal-of-the-keyboard-button-by-
shadowy-designers thing, and I've come to realise it's irrelevant and
that I was stupid to get upset about it.
Please don't think it's irrelevant. It's anything but. This is the
On Wednesday 30 July 2008 04:37:20 Christopher White wrote:
Hi Cristopher, let me to understand why you are so in angry.
My frustration comes off as anger because I just can't seem to figure
out where to go at times. I know I signed up for a tough road, and I am
not afraid to rollup my
[snip]
This does not work. That is all.
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Sorry to hear it doesn't work for you. But like I said, we each have
our
own ways of understanding and making meanings.
You are free to create your own meanings.
I just can't see how you honestly believe all this panty-waiste
dilettante waffling about not having a design because its up
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Jay Vaughan wrote:
Because at this point, it seems to me that you've just pissed in the
koolaid. Basically, you're just selling incomplete, mediocre hardware
in order to cash in on the Open Community meme, or what?
Hi Jay. First person that
Jay Vaughan wrote, On 28/07/08 21:31:
Sorry to hear it doesn't work for you. But like I said, we each have
our
own ways of understanding and making meanings.
You are free to create your own meanings.
I just can't see how you honestly believe all this panty-waiste
dilettante
Openmoko is trying to do what can: is trying to build a phone. It is
trying to build a running open hardware: It will not be perfect but it
will be open. You will know all the defect and compromise token to get
it. Then is your choose. And don't tell to me that OM hardware is
broken
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Jay Vaughan wrote:
It is *important* that such things as a usable GUI, which
looks nice, are presented very, very rapidly - there is no other way
for our projects to snowball than to attract the interest of those who
will use the hardware.
On 28 Jul 2008, at 21:31, Jay Vaughan wrote:
Sorry to hear it doesn't work for you. But like I said, we each have
our
own ways of understanding and making meanings.
You are free to create your own meanings.
I just can't see how you honestly believe all this panty-waiste
dilettante
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Having worked in Open-Hardware for over 15 years now, I was, in fact,
expecting a much more coherent strategy for the software platform on
Freerunner than just let the community decide. Certainly, the
community aspect of
blab blab blab
Jay Vaughan
If you need a benevolent dictator to lead, why not become one yourself?
If you need standards why not make them? This is not a responsibility
of the Openmoko team. They already gave us the damn thing to build it
all on. This really is the job of the community. Stop
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