Re: project customers

2010-04-19 Thread Vibhav Sharma
On Saturday 17 April 2010 11:49 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: http://www.google.pt/search?q=olpc+tablet It's would be a real killer if it has a reflexive screen like XO-1 and XO-1.5 * low energy requirements when backlight is off * visible even with direct sunlight * color!

Re: project customers

2010-04-19 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Em 19-04-2010 13:49, Vibhav Sharma escreveu: On Saturday 17 April 2010 11:49 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: http://www.google.pt/search?q=olpc+tablet It's would be a real killer if it has a reflexive screen like XO-1 and XO-1.5 * low energy requirements when backlight is off *

Re: project customers

2010-04-19 Thread Kosa
Al Johnson escribió: On Sunday 18 April 2010, Juergen Schinker wrote: won't fit on the bike, but I would have his little brother for that. :) Ha why should it not fit on a Bike? Show me how you safely mount the little brother on your bike! I still haven't found a usable solution. I made a

Re: project customers

2010-04-18 Thread Juergen Schinker
won't fit on the bike, but I would have his little brother for that. :) Ha why should it not fit on a Bike? Show me how you safely mount the little brother on your bike! I still haven't found a usable solution. Juergen ___ Openmoko community

Re: project customers

2010-04-18 Thread Al Johnson
On Sunday 18 April 2010, Juergen Schinker wrote: won't fit on the bike, but I would have his little brother for that. :) Ha why should it not fit on a Bike? Show me how you safely mount the little brother on your bike! I still haven't found a usable solution. I made a mount using polymorph

Re: project customers

2010-04-18 Thread Kosa
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) escribió: On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 02:18:45 +0200 Bernd Prünster bernd.pruens...@gmail.com said: ever heard of the touchbook?! I had not, but it looks great. I'll do some reading 'couse it looks very much like the device I was talking about. 299 or 399 + 29 for

Re: project customers

2010-04-17 Thread rixed
-[ Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 12:46:28AM -0300, Werner Almesberger ] I'd worry a lot more about GUI and applications than about any bit of hardware. Agreed, and iPad imitators are probably going to discover once again that software is a very important component that can not be copied as easily

Re: project customers

2010-04-17 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Em 16-04-2010 23:02, Kosa escreveu: I ain't no expert on this, but since iPad is being a succesful mobil device, we could give a chance for a BIGGER Freerunner. Of course iPad won't sell as many pices as the iPhone has, but 400k seems good for a start. There's a huge market for the big

Re: project customers

2010-04-16 Thread Kosa
I ain't no expert on this, but since iPad is being a succesful mobil device, we could give a chance for a BIGGER Freerunner. Of course iPad won't sell as many pices as the iPhone has, but 400k seems good for a start. There's a huge market for the big touchscreen devices. What about trying to do

Re: project customers

2010-04-16 Thread Werner Almesberger
Kosa wrote: I ain't no expert on this, but since iPad is being a succesful mobil device, we could give a chance for a BIGGER Freerunner. The joy of the Open Design Hardware concept - anyone can design their own mutant :) There's a huge market for the big touchscreen devices. Let's see how

Re: project customers

2010-04-16 Thread Bernd Prünster
ever heard of the touchbook?! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: project customers

2010-04-16 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 02:18:45 +0200 Bernd Prünster bernd.pruens...@gmail.com said: ever heard of the touchbook?! or joojoo... or one of the 1894 mee too ipad clones coming out (varying from arm based to x86 based). there is no room for a freerunner core based pad... - pushing that many pixels

Re: project customers

2010-04-16 Thread Bernd Prünster
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 02:18:45 +0200 Bernd Prünster bernd.pruens...@gmail.com said: ever heard of the touchbook?! or joojoo... or one of the 1894 mee too ipad clones coming out (varying from arm based to x86 based). there is no room for a

Re: project customers

2010-04-16 Thread Werner Almesberger
Carsten Haitzler wrote: no news there and no solution to is unless you design your own gpu... good luck. :)) I'd worry a lot more about GUI and applications than about any bit of hardware. Pads in one form or another have been around for a long time. So far, they weren't particularly

Re: project customers

2010-04-13 Thread Werner Almesberger
Carsten Haitzler wrote: if it's hard to communicate - you don't have a sales point. Yup, that's why I wouldn't belabour that angle for now. Whether and when the time for selling on open software alone will come depends on how constrained people feel with the non-open choices, and how many

Re: project customers

2010-04-12 Thread The Rasterman
On 09 Apr 2010 12:37:00 +0200 openm...@pulster.de (Christoph Pulster) said: Perhaps I should clarify that I don't mean to make fun of your situation. We're all in the same boat here. No problem Werner, all your optinions and comments are very welcome. As you already said, companiess who

Re: project customers

2010-04-12 Thread Werner Almesberger
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: In business strategy planning it is quite common to separate e.g. consumer, project, service, solution business types and markets because they have quite different requirements and attitudes Yes, I was familiar with the concept but I didn't know the term

Re: project customers

2010-04-12 Thread Werner Almesberger
Carsten Haitzler wrote: day. openmoko never made it to be big enough to continue - and ye once you get big enough, the kind of thing you talk about no longer make business sense (as you are busy shopping around to telcos who will order millions of devices). catch 22 :-S This is where an Open

Re: project customers

2010-04-12 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 12:19:43 -0300 Werner Almesberger wer...@openmoko.org said: Carsten Haitzler wrote: day. openmoko never made it to be big enough to continue - and ye once you get big enough, the kind of thing you talk about no longer make business sense (as you are busy shopping around

Re: project customers

2010-04-12 Thread Werner Almesberger
Carsten Haitzler wrote: too late for that. the others are in on the game. and now being open enough is all that's needed. window of opportunity for om and the likes has closed - or at the best is very close to closed. I think the advantage is still there, it's just harder to communicate. Also

Re: project customers

2010-04-12 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 16:52:03 -0300 Werner Almesberger wer...@openmoko.org said: Carsten Haitzler wrote: too late for that. the others are in on the game. and now being open enough is all that's needed. window of opportunity for om and the likes has closed - or at the best is very close to

Re: project customers

2010-04-10 Thread Werner Almesberger
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: We also had many discussions with project customers and basically they were happy with the device. And would prefer it over any consumer oriented device. Are there actually any stories of project customers whose project made it past the RD stage and who

Re: project customers

2010-04-10 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 10.04.2010 um 09:56 schrieb Werner Almesberger: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: We also had many discussions with project customers and basically they were happy with the device. And would prefer it over any consumer oriented device. Are there actually any stories of project

Re: project customers

2010-04-10 Thread Radek Polak
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Definitively. Such projects usually have 2-3 years planning phase (from the idea through convincing management, getting a budget, selecting suppliers, negotiating prices, finally making a purchase order etc.). And then typically 3-5 years deployment where

Re: project customers

2010-04-09 Thread Giovanni
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Christoph Pulster openm...@pulster.dewrote: I can confirm sold units worldwide is 20.000 maximum. Is FreeRunner still in production? I mean: is there a factory producing any FreeRunners? best regards, giovanni ___

Re: project customers

2010-04-09 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 09.04.2010 um 12:37 schrieb Christoph Pulster: Perhaps I should clarify that I don't mean to make fun of your situation. We're all in the same boat here. No problem Werner, all your optinions and comments are very welcome. As you already said, companiess who built a solution based on the

Re: project customers

2010-04-09 Thread Benedikt
On Fri, 2010-04-09 at 12:37 +0200, Christoph Pulster wrote: [snip] Not to misunderstand, the game opensource is just starting. if you need to, remember Openmoko as a early hero. Here I completely agree with you, Christoph. I personally don't see the FR as a fail. It's more like a

Re: project customers

2010-04-09 Thread Werner Almesberger
Christoph Pulster wrote: As you already said, companiess who built a solution based on the Openmoko need a reliable product AND a reliable company behind. Hmm, I think you're right that there has to be a company that buffers the customer from the increasingly chaotic (*) inner layers.