My intention wasn't a comparison of the iPhone to the Neo. I do run Linux at
home and at my office for our servers, I don't even dual boot with Windows
anymore because I don't see any reason to use it. I'm well aware of the
differences. All I was remarking on is that the iPhone is probably the
Dnia Monday 07 of April 2008, Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano napisał:
Just a question, may be it was answered somewhere in th list but why
webkit and not the gecko?
1. Memory usage of Gecko (most of leaks got fixed in 1.9)
2. Easy embedding of WebKit
3. Rapid development of WebKit.
4. WebKit
Stephen Pape ha scritto:
My intention wasn't a comparison of the iPhone to the Neo. I do run
Linux at home and at my office for our servers, I don't even dual boot
with Windows anymore because I don't see any reason to use it. I'm
well aware of the differences. All I was remarking on is that
Thanks I will join this project and try and help out with testing etc.
There are suitable differences to make things interesting. I am
personally interested in the amounts of network traffic that are
generated with these approaches.
Looking forward to the code,
John.
On 07/04/2008, Chia-I Wu
Will Opera Mini run on the Freerunner?
I asked this before, but didn't get a reply. I assume it depends on
how well J2ME works on the Freerunner.
IMHO, the Opera Mini design (compressing and optimizing web pages
before sending them to the phone) is excellent, because it saves
traffic (=money)
ma, 2008-04-07 kello 11:24 +0200, Erland Lewin kirjoitti:
IMHO, the Opera Mini design (compressing and optimizing web pages
before sending them to the phone) is excellent, because it saves
traffic (=money) and speeds up loading.
I'm not aware of any open source alternative with the same
Just some questions...
Does OpenMoko include a web browser?
If yes:
Is it included in wurfl[1] file?
Does it send x-wap-profile header with a link to a rdf describing its
capabilities[2]?
Perhaps this could help to implement a Device Description to help web
servers to send the right content to
Thanks Marcus,
We're currently showing the Openmoko to a lot of people to create
interest in a number of different projects; TangoGPS is always *the*
app that gets demoed.
Cheers, Joseph
On 07/04/2008, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 2008-04-06 at 16:16 -0700, John Locke wrote:
thomasg wrote:
In my honest opinion a iphone-browser is not the solution - it's a
tribute to bad webdesign, nothing else. Desktop-like rendering and
therefore needed zooming is exhausting and is leading rendering to the
point auf absurdity.
Rendering is used to make things fit - not to make
2008/4/7, Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
My opinion is just the opposite. There where many attempts to create
something like a mobile web. And all failed miserably. (wap, imode, crappy
limited browsers)
Yes, that's the reason for One Web[1]:
One Web means making, as far as is reasonable,
First off, this is by no means official in any way. Vote on [1] if you
_think_ 3G is essential for a successor to FreeRunner
[1] http://blog.automated.it/2008/04/07/is-3g-an-important-feature/
Cheers,
Federico
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Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente wrote:
2008/4/7, Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
It just needs some usability tweaks. Like scrolling without the scrollbars.
Like Opera does (not opera mini) on the Nokia N770 and successors. Which
are by the way a good example for a really good mobile
On Monday 07 April 2008 14:00:42 Federico Lorenzi wrote:
First off, this is by no means official in any way. Vote on [1] if you
_think_ 3G is essential for a successor to FreeRunner
Depends on what you mean by 3G? If you mean 3G as in HSPA then yes, it's
a useful feature to have when out of
May the test gods be with you.
This product will leapfrog the iPod and provide pleasure to all five of
your senses. The user can download pictures, smells, tastes and
celebrity tickling patterns. The test group preferred it over eating.
They're all dead.
It has the coolness factor.
-
Sebastian Billaudelle wrote:
Hi there!
I thought about the risk of loosing the moko or of getting it stolen...
I got the following idea:
If you can't find you moko, you only have to send an SMS with a special
keyword/passphrase to your moko.
It recognises the special text and sends the
Does it not work with the NOR because some chip selects or other similar
#define type thing needs to be updated? Or is it not ever going to work
with NOR flash? Thanks,
Matt
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Shiloh
Sent: Friday,
The biggest error that some people do is that they thing Openmoko ==
Iphone: FALSE
I think comparisons with the iPhone are inevitable and, when discussing
the consumer market, absolutely justified. Speaking to someone that
isn't into FOSS, you might start by saying well, it's a small phone
form
2008/4/7, Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Mobile versions for certain pages are a reasonable choice. But nothing you
can depend on.
True
The Web[tm] just is not mobile. At least not yet.
The Web shouldn't be mobile neither desktop... it should be ubiquos
This is the reason why there
I cannot agree.
We're not talking about the tries to create a mobile web, like wap and co.
did.
They had some good ideas, but the concept was useless, because nobody wanted
to have a second, way smaller net.
We're talking about rendering normal webpages to make them fit the devices
screen.
The neo
If you ask me: drop wifi, add hsdpa. But nobody asks me. :(
Wimax won't be of any relevance for mobile devices in the future, so no need
to deal with it.
I think it's too early to talk about LTE yet, let's stay with what we have:
HSDPA.
Phase 4 is coming, means up to 10 mbit/s gross (maybe 8
Hey
Are you trying to influence the poll? No, 3g is essential won't
register... a popup tells me to select a valid choice :)
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On Monday 07 April 2008 15:56, Brad Midgley wrote:
Hey
Are you trying to influence the poll? No, 3g is essential won't
register... a popup tells me to select a valid choice :)
hehe, if I was trying to do that you'd have :
Is 3g important...
1. Yes.
2. No and I kill kittens.
It looks to me
I'd happily trade wifi for 3G. Well, that is... Until Openmoko begins
offering a wifi service for under $20 a month that allows me to do
streaming internet radio in my car. :) Wifi is worthless with 110 mile
daily commute.
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Andy Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On
Dnia Monday 07 of April 2008, thomasg napisał:
If you ask me: drop wifi, add hsdpa. But nobody asks me. :(
HSDPA has sense IF you can have unlimited transfer. Here all operators
sell few GB pack after which all you get is 16-32kbps. So I would prefer
WiFi probably.
But my next phone will
Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente wrote:
2008/4/7, Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Mobile versions for certain pages are a reasonable choice. But nothing you
can depend on.
True
The Web[tm] just is not mobile. At least not yet.
The Web shouldn't be mobile neither desktop... it should
On Monday 07 April 2008 16:27, Brad Midgley wrote:
Andy
1. Yes.
2. No and I kill kittens.
yes, that's the kind of influence we need. Do you know about push
polling? You would need to load the question too.
The radiobuttons on the right didn't work but those in the middle
column did.
On Monday 07 April 2008 16:46, Andy Powell wrote:
On Monday 07 April 2008 16:27, Brad Midgley wrote:
Andy
1. Yes.
2. No and I kill kittens.
yes, that's the kind of influence we need. Do you know about push
polling? You would need to load the question too.
The radiobuttons on
Andy
1. Yes.
2. No and I kill kittens.
yes, that's the kind of influence we need. Do you know about push
polling? You would need to load the question too.
The radiobuttons on the right didn't work but those in the middle
column did. My vote seems to have counted, and no, I'm not from
I think you should reply and apologize for the double post too :p
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Andy Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Monday 07 April 2008 16:46, Andy Powell wrote:
On Monday 07 April 2008 16:27, Brad Midgley wrote:
Andy
1. Yes.
2. No and I kill
On Monday 07 April 2008 17:07, Federico Lorenzi wrote:
I think you should reply and apologize for the double post too :p
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Andy Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Monday 07 April 2008 16:46, Andy Powell wrote:
On Monday 07 April 2008 16:27, Brad Midgley
On ma, 2008-04-07 at 14:00 +0200, Federico Lorenzi wrote:
First off, this is by no means official in any way. Vote on [1] if you
_think_ 3G is essential for a successor to FreeRunner
Interesting choice of words; this discourages everyone who doesn't think
3G is essential from voting, even
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 5:00 AM, Federico Lorenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
First off, this is by no means official in any way. Vote on [1] if you
_think_ 3G is essential for a successor to FreeRunner
I'll miss Edge when I swap my blackberry for the FreeRunner. Wifi
will hopefully mean I won't
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Steven **
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As a US resident, 3G is pretty useless to me. Mostly because it costs
AT LEAST an additional $30 a month to utilize it. I'm also not sure
it's available in my area.
I'm also a US resident and the unlimited plan on my
ewanm89 wrote:
On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 00:07:27 +0200
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Marcus Bauer wrote:
The current browser is based on webkit and has Javascript, DOM etc.
However, the CPU is to slow and the screen to small. Much more fun
is 'links' which does have a graphics
PVT testing is in process, and I'll ask Steve to send an update within the
next few days.
A little while ago when I asked, you weren't sure if they are mass
producing the 850 and 900 Mhz versions at the same time.
Are they being produced at the same time or will we have to wait a few
months
I think the only option would be having _both_, i can't live without
WiFI as i would use my phone alot at work and there's a building wide
wireless network setup, though having 3G would be nice when not at a
place with a wifi service, i'd not want to buy a phone without wifi
these days.
The
Am Mo 7. April 2008 schrieb Steven Kurylo:
PVT testing is in process, and I'll ask Steve to send an update within
the
next few days.
A little while ago when I asked, you weren't sure if they are mass
producing the 850 and 900 Mhz versions at the same time.
Are they being produced at
Soo
I can choose from 400/500 MHz and 850/900 MHz when I buy the phone?
Alexander Frøyseth
[EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev:
Am Mo 7. April 2008 schrieb Steven Kurylo:
PVT testing is in process, and I'll ask Steve to send an update within
the
next few days.
A little while ago
No, you can chose between 850/1800/1900 and 900/1800/1900 MHz.
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Alexander Frøyseth
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Soo
I can choose from 400/500 MHz and 850/900 MHz when I buy the phone?
Alexander Frøyseth
[EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev:
Am Mo 7. April 2008 schrieb
Soo 400/500 MHz is no more?
or?
thomasg skrev:
No, you can chose between 850/1800/1900 and 900/1800/1900 MHz.
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Alexander Frøyseth
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Soo
I can choose from 400/500 MHz and 850/900 MHz when I buy the phone?
It never was, from what I recall. The original plan was for a quad-band
phone, but due to manufacturing issues, they ended up needing to do two
tri-band phones.
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Alexander Frøyseth wrote:
Soo 400/500 MHz is no more?
or?
thomasg skrev:
No, you
I have been invited to speak at T-DOSE
(http://www.t-dose.org/t-dose/). However, there is a risk, that I will
be going to Singapore at that time.
Would anyone be able to fill out for me if I cannot make it?
/Ole
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On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Alexander Frøyseth
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Soo 400/500 MHz is no more?
I think you're confusing concepts. We're talking cellular bands. Are
you talking 400/500 cpu frequency?
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Okey
Now I feel pretty stupid
When I am hearing MHz I am thinking CPU and not GSM xD
Hehe
Sorry about that
Jacob Thebault-Spieker skrev:
It never was, from what I recall. The original plan was for a
quad-band phone, but due to manufacturing issues, they ended up
needing to do two tri-band
Alexander Frøyseth writes:
Soo 400/500 MHz is no more?
I've never heard any projection that openmoko was ever going to run on
400 or 500 MHz -- in fact, I'd never heard of that GSM band, and
googled to find it!
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Yes xD
I discovered for some minutes ago.
I feel pretty stupid xD
Sorry for that.
Steven Kurylo skrev:
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Alexander Frøyseth
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Soo 400/500 MHz is no more?
I think you're confusing concepts. We're talking cellular bands. Are
you
Alexander Frøyseth wrote on 04/07/2008 09:20 PM:
Soo 400/500 MHz is no more?
or?
thomasg skrev:
No, you can chose between 850/1800/1900 and 900/1800/1900 MHz.
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Alexander Frøyseth
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Soo
I can choose from
Alexander Frøyseth wrote on 04/07/2008 09:44 PM:
Yes xD
I discovered for some minutes ago.
I feel pretty stupid xD
Sorry for that.
Steven Kurylo skrev:
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Alexander Frøyseth
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Soo 400/500 MHz is no more?
I think you're confusing
I thought I did an update on this, so let me repeat the update, and add some
details.
The DVT run, the design verification was completed a bit ago and the design
has been verified. For a short
Time I had some worries about landscape mode, but Engineering figured out
that the issue was driver
OpenMoko is a brilliant concept. I hope to buy a Freerunner
when it's relatively safe to go in the water.
Before we jump down the throats of those who express
some frustration about how the release schedule has
taken longer than we all hoped, here's my non-emotional
comment in support of those
depends which country you're in as to which form is best. for highest
coverage in Australia you'd need Telstra's proprietary NextG format,
for the cheaper (10x cheaper) carriers you'd need whatever they are
using.
i think rather than making any particular network inbuilt in the
phone, an add-in
On 07/04/2008, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That brings up a question, though--when my contributions reach the map,
how do I refresh the maps I've already downloaded? Is there a setting to
make TangoGPS check to see if there's a newer version of a tile? I'm not
set up for
The difference between OpenMoko and other companies is the transparency.
Remember the iPhone? Nobody knew it was happening, aside from rumors. We
didn't know how the manufacturing process was going, we didn't know how
the software was coming along, we didn't know anything. Same goes for
99.9%
Am Mo 7. April 2008 schrieb Ron K. Jeffries:
BUT the OpenMoko project likely does not have
enough financial capital and human
resource to accomplish its lofty ambitions.
I passionately hope I am TOTALLY WRONG. But the
track record to date is dodgy at best.
Yes I think you are wrong.
Mikko Rauhala ha scritto:
ma, 2008-04-07 kello 11:24 +0200, Erland Lewin kirjoitti:
IMHO, the Opera Mini design (compressing and optimizing web pages
before sending them to the phone) is excellent, because it saves
traffic (=money) and speeds up loading.
I'm not aware of any open source
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Steven **
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As a US resident, 3G is pretty useless to me. Mostly because it costs
AT LEAST an additional $30 a month to utilize it. I'm also not sure
it's available in my area.
WiFi, on the other hand, is free when it's available
I use openmoko Makefile setup openmoko development enviroment;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/openmoko1$ make
[ -e OE.mtn ] || \
make OE.mtn
[ -e stamps/OE.mtn ] || \
( mtn --db=OE.mtn db migrate \
mtn --db=OE.mtn pull monotone.openmoko.org '*' )
mtn: calculating migration...
mtn:
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1. Thank you for the info.
2. I don't know, if someone else asked this question before. I did
register ti the mailing-list just e few days before, but I haven't seen
an answer to it anywhere. What is done with the 85 working phones?
Greetings
Guys
It shouldn't be treated like an either-or for wifi and 3g. The phone
should have both. Most other smart phones are doing this. It's amazing
Apple is able to pull off a phone limited to edge cell speeds
successfully. They are unique and probably planned all along to have
their loyal crowd
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