Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

2008-07-24 Thread Jim Morris
Scott Derrick wrote: Come on! Blame the telcos for the Neo echo!! Thats stretching it. I've had numerous phones and about 4 different providers and NEVER had any repeatable echo, NEVER. I've done quite a bit of work on VOIP on handhelds, and Echo is always a problem. The solution was

Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

2008-07-23 Thread Al Johnson
On Wednesday 23 July 2008, Ben wrote: Is bluetooth working to the degree where a bluetooth headset can be used instead? Don't know, don't have one. There are instructions in the wiki but people are reporting problems. The wired headset should work, but I haven't got one of those to test

Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

2008-07-22 Thread Al Johnson
On Tuesday 22 July 2008, Scott Derrick wrote: Come on! Blame the telcos for the Neo echo!! Thats stretching it. Take a breath. Reread what I said. I'm not blaming them, but they may be a factor in why people report widely differing levels of echo.

Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

2008-07-22 Thread Ben
Is bluetooth working to the degree where a bluetooth headset can be used instead? While it isn't perfect, I have an Aliph JawBone headset and it works reasonably well when there's no wind around. Also have a Sony Ericsson HBH 300 but people always say I sound too quiet - maybe I could amplify the

Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

2008-07-21 Thread Cédric Berger
Sound quality during calls is indeed not that good. 1. Volume is usually too low, but I think it can be modified via correct settings. Seems like people not always hear me at the same level : sometimes quite ok, often really too low. I have yet to try more... 2. There also is this annoying

Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

2008-07-21 Thread Al Johnson
On Monday 21 July 2008, Cédric Berger wrote: Sound quality during calls is indeed not that good. 1. Volume is usually too low, but I think it can be modified via correct settings. Seems like people not always hear me at the same level : sometimes quite ok, often really too low. I have yet

Re: Anyone using FR as a phone? / Audio Codec meddling info

2008-07-21 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On Monday 21 July 2008, Cédric Berger wrote: | Sound quality during calls is indeed not that good. | | 1. Volume is usually too low, but I think it can be modified via | correct settings. | Seems like

Re: anyone using FR as a phone?

2008-07-21 Thread Corey Young
From: steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] I use mine. My kids used theirs till I gave it away to somebody else. That said, some people have expereince audio issues. Engineering is on the issue. Steve wow... wish my Dad had your job... that way I'd get to play with cool

Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

2008-07-21 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2008/7/21 Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Assuming there is sufficient difference in level between voice level and the level from the earpiece it should be possible to set the noise gate so that it only triggers when you are actually speaking, stopping the echo. The compressor should even out

Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

2008-07-21 Thread Cédric Berger
People I had on the phone never complained about echo. When I asked, they said there was none. But they often complained about volume level too low... and maybe that's why there was no echo... (and they also complained about interference noise, which I heard too) I need to make more calls and

Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

2008-07-21 Thread Scott Derrick
Its hard to believe the distro doesn't come pre-configured with settings that don't produce echo, very low volume, interference? Scott Cédric Berger wrote: People I had on the phone never complained about echo. When I asked, they said there was none. But they often complained about volume

Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

2008-07-21 Thread Kalle Happonen
Scott Derrick wrote: Its hard to believe the distro doesn't come pre-configured with settings that don't produce echo, very low volume, interference? It's hard to believe nobody has come up with Better Than Default settings, uploaded the config, and gotten it in the newest release :)

Re: Anyone using FR as a phone? / Audio Codec meddling info

2008-07-21 Thread Al Johnson
On Monday 21 July 2008, Andy Green wrote: Somebody in the thread at some point said: snip my comment about alsa settings bypassing the ALC I don't know why we go around it, but when I looked mic - GSM routing some weeks ago I also found a very direct analogue path. If you're interested to

Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

2008-07-21 Thread Al Johnson
On Monday 21 July 2008, Timo Jyrinki wrote: 2008/7/21 Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Assuming there is sufficient difference in level between voice level and the level from the earpiece it should be possible to set the noise gate so that it only triggers when you are actually speaking,

Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

2008-07-21 Thread Scott Derrick
Come on! Blame the telcos for the Neo echo!! Thats stretching it. I've had numerous phones and about 4 different providers and NEVER had any repeatable echo, NEVER. I say repeatable, since I can remember maybe 5 calls in the last 10 years when I got a bad connection, and I live in the

Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

2008-07-20 Thread Greg Bonett
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Am Mo 14. Juli 2008 schrieb Tim Schmidt: On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Meanwhile we are about to improve the hw to cope with this (a little difficult without exact idea of

Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

2008-07-15 Thread Kalle Happonen
Hello, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote: Hi, Diego Fernández Durán escribió: I use the FR as a phone. And I trying to figure out where can I apply my C, C++, Gtk knowledge to help in the development. A list of small things that must be done will be appreciated, so anybody of us

Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

2008-07-14 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
Ah -- thanks for the clarification! How does 'running' microwave/hair drier/coffee-grinder affects it? :-) may be some obvious EM noise source like that could create an easily reproducible and controllable environment for troubleshooting/comparison to the reference phone at hands. On Mon, 14 Jul

Anyone using FR as a phone?

2008-07-14 Thread Corey Young
From: steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] I use mine. My kids used theirs till I gave it away to somebody else. That said, some people have expereince audio issues. Engineering is on the issue. Steve wow... wish my Dad had your job... that way I'd get to play with cool phones! haha j/k.

Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

2008-07-14 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
Hi, Diego Fernández Durán escribió: I use the FR as a phone. And I trying to figure out where can I apply my C, C++, Gtk knowledge to help in the development. A list of small things that must be done will be appreciated, so anybody of us can use our free time to read the code, write a

Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

2008-07-13 Thread Yorick Moko
there is some talk about this on the devel-list: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003560.html http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003562.html http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003563.html On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 9:40

Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

2008-07-13 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
wow -- that is very unfortunate... indeed phone which is useless as a phone would sound like a failure. I hope openmoko engineers and developers resolve the issue (bug report trace seems to reveal some improvements). Thanks for making us aware (my FR is still on its way) On Sun, 13 Jul 2008,

RE: Anyone using FR as a phone?

2008-07-13 Thread steve
8:44 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Anyone using FR as a phone? wow -- that is very unfortunate... indeed phone which is useless as a phone would sound like a failure. I hope openmoko engineers and developers resolve the issue (bug report trace seems to reveal some improvements

Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

2008-07-13 Thread Diego Fernández Durán
I use the FR as a phone. And I trying to figure out where can I apply my C, C++, Gtk knowledge to help in the development. A list of small things that must be done will be appreciated, so anybody of us can use our free time to read the code, write a small patch and summit it to a om developer.

Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

2008-07-13 Thread Philippe Guillebert
Diego Fernández Durán wrote: I use the FR as a phone. And I trying to figure out where can I apply my C, C++, Gtk knowledge to help in the development. A list of small things that must be done will be appreciated, so anybody of us can use our free time to read the code, write a small patch

Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

2008-07-13 Thread Scott Derrick
is on the issue. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Yaroslav Halchenko Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 8:44 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Anyone using FR as a phone? wow -- that is very unfortunate... indeed phone

Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

2008-07-13 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Mo 14. Juli 2008 schrieb Scott Derrick: I don't get some people have experienced audio issues? Is this an indication of the level of quality control in manufacture ring? Scott This is a short form of description of the *very* random and statistic nature of this issue. We got some

Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

2008-07-13 Thread Tim Schmidt
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Meanwhile we are about to improve the hw to cope with this (a little difficult without exact idea of the way this happens). Meaning, the improvement will show up in a new rev of the Freerunner, or in the next model

Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

2008-07-13 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Mo 14. Juli 2008 schrieb Tim Schmidt: On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Meanwhile we are about to improve the hw to cope with this (a little difficult without exact idea of the way this happens). Meaning, the improvement will show up in a new

Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

2008-07-13 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
then why not to ask Randy S (who already steadily experiencing such an issue without much of fiddling with weather/location/manner of holding) to do additional troubleshooting and if it is unit specific, just to send the unit back for the replacement (and for you to troubleshoot on a defective

Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

2008-07-13 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Mo 14. Juli 2008 schrieb Yaroslav Halchenko: then why not to ask Randy S (who already steadily experiencing such an issue without much of fiddling with weather/location/manner of holding) to do additional troubleshooting and if it is unit specific, just to send the unit back for the