Re: [Computer-go] naive thoughts on enthalpy and dynamic komi

2011-02-05 Thread Alain Baeckeroot
Le 04/02/2011 14:48, Stefan Kaitschick a écrit : Am 04.02.2011 14:36, schrieb Robert Lupton the Good: Actually that's the Entropy, S; Enthalpy is E - PV (energy corrected for pressure work). If you are interested in thermodynamic analogues, the Helmholtz free energy (E - TS) might be an

Re: [Computer-go] naive thoughts on enthalpy and dynamic komi

2011-02-05 Thread Stefan Kaitschick
Am 05.02.2011 12:50, schrieb Alain Baeckeroot: Le 04/02/2011 14:48, Stefan Kaitschick a écrit : Am 04.02.2011 14:36, schrieb Robert Lupton the Good: Actually that's the Entropy, S; Enthalpy is E - PV (energy corrected for pressure work). If you are interested in thermodynamic analogues, the

Re: [Computer-go] naive thoughts on enthalpy and dynamic komi

2011-02-05 Thread Alain Baeckeroot
Le 05/02/2011 15:17, Stefan Kaitschick a écrit : You really mean enthalpy? I thought entropy of information was more applicable here than enthalpy of formation. :-) (i don't get your joke, but this due to my poor english understanding :) ) Yes i mean (as Nick did) enthalpy Temperature of

Re: [Computer-go] naive thoughts on enthalpy and dynamic komi

2011-02-05 Thread Brian Sheppard
Yes i mean (as Nick did) enthalpy Nick's formula is entropy. The enthalpy formula is very different. Nick's information-gathering analogy is also apt: by collecting trials that have greater entropy your search is collecting more information. This leads directly to a theory of why dynamic komi

Re: [Computer-go] naive thoughts on enthalpy and dynamic komi

2011-02-04 Thread Michael Williams
The crux is it is gathering it more than twice as fast, which should more than compensate, which is debatable. Infinitely more information may not be enough if you are measuring the wrong thing. On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 8:02 AM, Nick Wedd n...@maproom.co.uk wrote: In a Monte-Carlo program, the

Re: [Computer-go] naive thoughts on enthalpy and dynamic komi

2011-02-04 Thread Robert Lupton the Good
Actually that's the Entropy, S; Enthalpy is E - PV (energy corrected for pressure work). If you are interested in thermodynamic analogues, the Helmholtz free energy (E - TS) might be an interesting concept if you can assign meanings to temperature and energy, as well as Shannon's Entropy.

Re: [Computer-go] naive thoughts on enthalpy and dynamic komi

2011-02-04 Thread Jason House
Shannon's entropy can also be called information. That translates your argument to you collect more information when the win rate is closer to 50%. Such arguments can be used in support of both dynamic Komi and simulation balancing. I'm not sure how far the argument can be taken, but that's

Re: [Computer-go] naive thoughts on enthalpy and dynamic komi

2011-02-04 Thread Brian Sheppard
IIRC, Hendrik Baier's master thesis shows an experiment conducted using Orego that establishes that Dynamic Komi improved Orego's results against GnuGo. These are non-handicap games. I recall that others have reported the same thing (that dynamic komi helps even in non-handicap games). IMO,