Re: [Debconf-team] dc13 draft budget, 2012-11-20

2012-11-22 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
Richard Darst r...@zgib.net writes: On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 08:23:37PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: Not quite... I would really like to understand your logic for 60 professional and 2 corporate Okay, this is right. I was going to reply but didn't have time. With 42 professional / 2

Re: [Debconf-team] dc13 draft budget, 2012-11-20

2012-11-22 Thread Holger Levsen
On Donnerstag, 22. November 2012, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: (Of course, with infinite amounts of cash you can lend a boat, but even with 120% of the LeCamp budget, I very much doubt one could find a suitable venue in March.) that and if we restart the venue search now, we will _also_ get

Re: [Debconf-team] dc13 draft budget, 2012-11-20

2012-11-22 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Donnerstag, 22. November 2012, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: I very much disagree with the assumption that we only have space for ~40 professional attendees. The least we can say about this is that there is absolutely no consensus about what standard of accomodation the professional fee

Re: [Debconf-team] dc13 draft budget, 2012-11-20

2012-11-22 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 22/11/12 10:52, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: Richard Darst r...@zgib.net writes: On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 08:23:37PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: Not quite... I would really like to understand your logic for 60 professional and 2 corporate Okay, this is right. I was going to reply but didn't

[Debconf-team] Decisions about Le Camp

2012-11-22 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
Hi IMO the most important topic for tonights meeting is the decision about how to proceed with Le Camp. We promised them to have a decision by the end of November. So to be fair and keep that promise we have to decide now. We need some more days to get the budget approved and to have a board

Re: [Debconf-team] Decisions about Le Camp

2012-11-22 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 22/11/12 12:04, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: Hi IMO the most important topic for tonights meeting is the decision about how to proceed with Le Camp. We promised them to have a decision by the end of November. So to be fair and keep that promise we have to decide now. We need some more days

Re: [Debconf-team] Decisions about Le Camp

2012-11-22 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Hi all, thanks Gaundenz for this concise and clear mail that summarizes my feelings quite well. Le jeudi, 22 novembre 2012 12.04:52, Gaudenz Steinlin a écrit : IMO the most important topic for tonights meeting is the decision about how to proceed with Le Camp. We promised them to have a

Re: [Debconf-team] Decisions about Le Camp

2012-11-22 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
Hi Daniel Pocock dan...@pocock.com.au writes: Just in response to Gaudenz's points, here is a summary of the counter-arguments that are floating about: - bankruptcy issue: Richard has used words like `small' and `tiny' on several times to describe the likely size of the conference - so

Re: [Debconf-team] Decisions about Le Camp

2012-11-22 Thread Michele Cane
Hi, On Thu, 2012-11-22 at 12:04 +0100, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: Hi IMO the most important topic for tonights meeting is the decision about how to proceed with Le Camp. We promised them to have a decision by the end of November. So to be fair and keep that promise we have to decide now. We

Re: [Debconf-team] Decisions about Le Camp

2012-11-22 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le jeudi, 22 novembre 2012 16.04:26, Daniel Pocock a écrit : It would seem foolish to sign a contract before we maximise any funding from the local tourism/economic development budget. Doing this would lead to eternal postponing. We haven't yet asked canton Vaud neither Loterie Romande, just

[Debconf-team] DebConf13 decision meeting: past and present

2012-11-22 Thread Ana Guerrero
Hi everybody, Some months ago I was in the bid decision meeting and I voted to have DebConf in Switzerland. It was not an easy decision, both bids were quite close and both have problems. In the meeting, there wasn't the possibility of not choosing any bid, something that now looking back should

Re: [Debconf-team] Decisions about Le Camp

2012-11-22 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 22/11/12 16:22, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: Le jeudi, 22 novembre 2012 16.04:26, Daniel Pocock a écrit : It would seem foolish to sign a contract before we maximise any funding from the local tourism/economic development budget. Doing this would lead to eternal postponing. We haven't yet

Re: [Debconf-team] Decisions about Le Camp

2012-11-22 Thread Philipp Hug
Hi, We consider the financial part as the only major issue. The other issues that we discussed on the mailinglist are in our opinion either not important enough or are mostly details and need to be refined later. What will be fixed is the duration and the prices. The other things are in our

Re: [Debconf-team] Decisions about Le Camp

2012-11-22 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le jeudi, 22 novembre 2012 16.43:49, Daniel Pocock a écrit : As long as we are uncommitted, the pressure is on them to offer us an incentive Waiting on the hypothetical answer from Canton Neuchâtel (or Canton Vaud) only leads to open-ended postponing. At one point we will have to make a

Re: [Debconf-team] Decisions about Le Camp

2012-11-22 Thread Giacomo Catenazzi
I propose a A2 option: We tell LeCamp: we are committed to come in LeCamp, but now we don't have enough money. We (local team) are pretty sure that we will have enough money for the two weeks, but *now* we can only book for 7 or 10 days (not to have financial troubles or giving you financial

Re: [Debconf-team] Decisions about Le Camp

2012-11-22 Thread Philipp Hug
Didier, Waiting on the hypothetical answer from Canton Neuchâtel (or Canton Vaud) only leads to open-ended postponing. At one point we will have to make a decision, without every possible answer in our hands. I think Daniel is right, that the motivation for any such agency to give money/more

Re: [Debconf-team] Decisions about Le Camp

2012-11-22 Thread Philipp Hug
Cate, We need to give them the possibility to book it with other clients. We can't just block 2 weeks and maybe only take one. But we could tell them that we might be interested in some buildings for the first week if we have enough money and we'll reserve them later if they're still available.

Re: [Debconf-team] Decisions about Le Camp

2012-11-22 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le jeudi, 22 novembre 2012 18.35:07, Philipp Hug a écrit : I think Daniel is right, that the motivation for any such agency to give money/more money is a lot higher if their decision to give us money influences our choice of venue. I hoped you'd have answer until now :( Let's phrase it

Re: [Debconf-team] dc13 draft budget, 2012-11-20

2012-11-22 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Gaudenz Steinlin dijo [Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:52:35AM +0100]: I very much disagree with the assumption that we only have space for ~40 professional attendees. The least we can say about this is that there is absolutely no consensus about what standard of accomodation the professional fee

Re: [Debconf-team] Decisions about Le Camp

2012-11-22 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Giacomo Catenazzi dijo [Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 03:10:31PM +0100]: I propose a A2 option: We tell LeCamp: we are committed to come in LeCamp, but now we don't have enough money. We (local team) are pretty sure that we will have enough money for the two weeks, but *now* we can only book for 7 or

Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf13 decision meeting: past and present

2012-11-22 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Ana, On Donnerstag, 22. November 2012, Ana Guerrero wrote: I still remember when Tincho (local team then) said: You can not delay a DebConf until it's ready This is one of the reason why it is asked to future localteams to get involved ready, to learn how to live in this chaos ;) yeah,

Re: [Debconf-team] Decisions about Le Camp

2012-11-22 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Gaudenz Steinlin dijo [Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 12:04:52PM +0100]: IMO the most important topic for tonights meeting is the decision about how to proceed with Le Camp. We promised them to have a decision by the end of November. So to be fair and keep that promise we have to decide now. We need

Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf13 decision meeting: past and present

2012-11-22 Thread Ana Guerrero
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 08:22:53PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: yeah, right totally true. And as I see it, this is so far the best prepared DebConf _ever_: we already have 60K, with 10-40k in the pipeline, and we are _NINE_ months ahead. Sadly, sponsorship is not lineal. So far, most of the

[Debconf-team] I have read the (complete) meeting log and have some thoughts that I would like to share.

2012-11-22 Thread Brian Gupta
(My apologies for missing the meeting, as it was Thanksgiving here in the states and I was traveling.) If I am not mistaken hug is going to try and get Le Camp to agree to 1 week, plus some reduction in the DebCamp week commitment (either length or committed buildings), and is authorized to sign

[Debconf-team] 2012-11-22 IRC DebConf meeting - Minutes

2012-11-22 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
/debconf-team.2012-08-13-17.55.html And from the meeting page: http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf13/Meetings/20121122 Cheers, OdyX signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team