Re: Switch to perl-5.005_02 ?

1998-10-03 Thread Darren Stalder
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Raphael Hertzog, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote: What will be done for slink ? I don't know but I'd like to have perl5.005 because it's better (ie. thread support is really useful). But then all lib*-perl maintainer will have to upload updated

Re: Switch to perl-5.005_02 ?

1998-10-03 Thread Joey Hess
Darren Stalder wrote: BTW, Joey, some of my projects could *really* use threaded Perl as well. But it's considered experimental in 5.005 and just isn't up to snuff in a production environment. Do you have any plans to offer it as something like /usr/bin/perl-t? (or would modules need to be

[vernard@cc.gatech.edu: [ale] Loan Equipment to Linux In Action Booth]

1998-10-03 Thread warp
We may want to coordinate with them for some of the machines we will be bringing in, its definitely a worthy cause.. Zephaniah E, Hull. - Forwarded message from Vernard Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vernard Martin) Subject: [ale]

Re: Copyrights and licenses

1998-10-03 Thread Ian Lynagh
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Ian Lynagh writes: So is it free or non-free? If the algorithm isn't patented you can do what ever you want with it, regardless of what the inventor says. OK, that just leaves two questions answered - is srp or SHA non-US and what do I put

Re: Debian is not a main distro?

1998-10-03 Thread James Troup
Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Oct 01, 1998 at 05:36:37PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: Assuming, of course, that Debian will accept them as a developer. Are people with legitimate packaging interests being rejected? That's a ridiculously simplistic question that I won't

Re: what's after slink

1998-10-03 Thread Ben Gertzfield
Kenneth == Kenneth Scharf [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kenneth After you freeze slink, what will be then name of the new Kenneth 'unstable' release (debian 2.2 or 3.0 that is). I think 'woody' would be an appropriate nickname. :) -- Brought to you by the letters E and L and the number

Re: Canada to remain mostly free

1998-10-03 Thread Avery Pennarun
On Fri, Oct 02, 1998 at 10:35:54AM -0400, Greg Stark wrote: Manley announced new crypto policies, and though the speech is low on detail, despite being particularly long-winded, it seems Canada may remain in the free world. Very cool. It looks like they've really listened to the industry's

Re: RFC: Java related package maintainers

1998-10-03 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Oct 01, 1998 at 10:31:09PM -0700, Stephen Zander wrote: Martin == Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Martin I wonder why debian-java@lists.debian.org exists... At least one maintainer of a java related package (Hamish Moffat - guavac) is not on that list, there may be

Re: APT 0.1.6 is released!

1998-10-03 Thread Ben Gertzfield
M == M Dietrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ben Please test out this new release of APT; we hope everyone can Ben enjoy it! M this apt is really great! thnx alot for your work (just for not M only sending bug-reports on apt)! it worked out to exchange M sendmail for smail

Re: Switch to perl-5.005_02 ?

1998-10-03 Thread Darren/Torin/Who Ever...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Joey Hess, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote: Do you have any plans to offer it as something like /usr/bin/perl-t? (or would modules need to be rebuilt too?) It will be available as /usr/bin/perl5.00502-thread. I could manage the /usr/bin/perl-t as

slink and nfs question

1998-10-03 Thread M . Dietrich
i lost the thread with this nfs-questing depending on the new package nfs-server. i ran into the same problem while installing slink and lost nfs this way. i then installed the new package and now got both scripts in /etc/inint.d/ and all links (netstd_nfs and nfs-server). i don't think, this is

Re: what's after slink

1998-10-03 Thread Daniel Martin
Ben Gertzfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kenneth == Kenneth Scharf [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kenneth After you freeze slink, what will be then name of the new Kenneth 'unstable' release (debian 2.2 or 3.0 that is). I think 'woody' would be an appropriate nickname. :) I've been

Re: Switch to perl-5.005_02 ?

1998-10-03 Thread Joey Hess
Darren/Torin/Who Ever... wrote: It will be available as /usr/bin/perl5.00502-thread. I could manage the /usr/bin/perl-t as alternatives. Well /usr/bin/perl-thread is probably a better name. Any debian packages and all architecture dependent packages will have to be recompiled. Do you

Re: what's after slink

1998-10-03 Thread Ben Gertzfield
Daniel == Daniel Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kenneth After you freeze slink, what will be then name of the new Kenneth 'unstable' release (debian 2.2 or 3.0 that is). Ben I think 'woody' would be an appropriate nickname. :) Daniel I've been wondering why this wasn't tried

Re: what's after slink

1998-10-03 Thread David Welton
On Fri, Oct 02, 1998 at 09:09:52PM -0700, Ben Gertzfield wrote: Daniel == Daniel Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kenneth After you freeze slink, what will be then name of the new Kenneth 'unstable' release (debian 2.2 or 3.0 that is). There is an

Re: KDE - what's up ?

1998-10-03 Thread Joseph Carter
On Fri, Oct 02, 1998 at 08:10:43PM +0200, Christian Hammers wrote: KDE is still in the contrib section. You can expect something to be done with KDE soon. Unless KDE changes their license soon and applies fixes for the licenses they can't change, you can expect KDE binaries to go away. KDE

query on use of sys/syscall.h and asm/unistd.h in user code

1998-10-03 Thread Zack Weinberg
Hi, I'm with glibc development and I need to know about how some headers are used by user code. Specifically, for the 2.2 release of glibc (which is at least a year away; we're in codefreeze for 2.1 right now) we are thinking about modifying sys/syscall.h. I would like to know: 1. What

FWD: Re: Linus is on a powertrip..

1998-10-03 Thread Joey Hess
This is from the linux kernel mailing list. I find it pretty completly sums op my thoughts on all the new constitution and voting and policy voting stuff that we've been setting up. I haven't been vocal about this, but I think we've been moving in the wrong direction. Of course, this came up on

Re: what's after slink

1998-10-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, Ben == Ben Gertzfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kenneth == Kenneth Scharf [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kenneth After you freeze slink, what will be then name of the new Kenneth 'unstable' release (debian 2.2 or 3.0 that is). Ben I think 'woody' would be an appropriate nickname. :)

Re: [mazzocch@pop.systemy.it: [FYI] Cool Changes in JDK1.2b4]

1998-10-03 Thread Joey Hess
Ean R . Schuessler wrote: This comes from the Apache-Jserv list. Now, what I am wondering is if JServ continues to ignore free Java VMs and Sun continues its irresponsible development of the Java standard in the same secret way it has been, should JServ be considered non-free? In other

Re: Canada to remain mostly free

1998-10-03 Thread Joseph Carter
hmmm... Wonder if we can get the Canadian gov't go convince the US Gov't to sell it the West coast of the US? California, Nevada, Oregon, Washington? Break it into 2 Provinces, you think? This would be cool because it'd put Silicon Valley in the Free World. Hmm, I wonder if the Canadian gov't

Re: what's after slink

1998-10-03 Thread Joseph Carter
On Fri, Oct 02, 1998 at 05:20:29PM -0700, Ben Gertzfield wrote: Kenneth After you freeze slink, what will be then name of the new Kenneth 'unstable' release (debian 2.2 or 3.0 that is). I think 'woody' would be an appropriate nickname. :) I thought 2.2 was going to be rc, and 3.0

Re: An X version of dselect for slink

1998-10-03 Thread Joseph Carter
On Fri, Oct 02, 1998 at 05:09:18PM -0400, Steve Dunham wrote: For initial install on Intel, we could always use XF86_VGA16. That should work on all systems. People who have recycled Sparc monitors? Even TEXT mode on those things is an evil hack with svgatextmode! pgpYkOcjfSEUt.pgp

Re: what's after slink

1998-10-03 Thread Ben Gertzfield
Manoj == Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kenneth == Kenneth Scharf [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ben == Ben Gertzfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kenneth After you freeze slink, what will be then name of the new Kenneth 'unstable' release (debian 2.2 or 3.0 that is). Ben I

Re: How about using bzip2 as the standard *.deb compression format?

1998-10-03 Thread Joseph Carter
On Fri, Oct 02, 1998 at 10:06:24PM -0500, dsb3 wrote: I read in an earlier mail that the main distro will no longer fit on one CD. Since a standardised specialized tool is already required to install a *.deb and this tool is installed on every Debian box, why not in the next update of dpkg

Re: what's after slink

1998-10-03 Thread Joey Hess
Ben Gertzfield wrote: Spencer Aste Additional Voice so we really don't have that many more choices.. Hmm, I think debian 2.1 (additional voice) has a nice ring to it. :-P -- see shy jo

Re: Debian is not a main distro?

1998-10-03 Thread Steve Lamb
On 03 Oct 1998 00:41:50 +0100, James Troup wrote: Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Oct 01, 1998 at 05:36:37PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: Assuming, of course, that Debian will accept them as a developer. Are people with legitimate packaging interests being rejected? That's

Re: Problem compiling module

1998-10-03 Thread Philippe Troin
Jeff McWilliams [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Help. I've been trying to compile the lm_sensors source without much success. lm_sensors was written as a linux module that talks to the voltage and temperature sensors on a motherboard and lets you query /proc/sensors to view this information. I

Re: dpkg -S problem

1998-10-03 Thread Craig Sanders
On Fri, 2 Oct 1998, Rainer Dorsch wrote: $ dpkg -l /usr/bin/printmail No packages found matching /usr/bin/printmail. this is normal. you used -l (list packages) when you meant -S (search) $ dpkg -S /usr/bin/printmail elm-me+: /usr/bin/printmail btw, you may want to install jim pick's

Re: Copyrights and licenses

1998-10-03 Thread Richard Braakman
Ian Lynagh wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Ian Lynagh writes: So is it free or non-free? If the algorithm isn't patented you can do what ever you want with it, regardless of what the inventor says. OK, that just leaves two questions answered - is srp or SHA

Re: How about using bzip2 as the standard *.deb compression format?

1998-10-03 Thread Alexander Koch
On Fri, 2 October 1998 22:25:35 -0700, Joseph Carter wrote: It'd STILL be nice to be able to use bzip2 for package source on REALLY BIG packages (Mozilla, X) I agree. It'd be fine for now if it's supported and then you can still decide to use it for your own packages. You won't install X or

Re: ISDN problem ....

1998-10-03 Thread Martin Bialasinski
MD == M Dietrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: MD when installing isdnutils from slink, MAKEDEV complains about MD device names - something like 'don't know how t mail isdnctrl0' or MD something (don't remember exact device name). I believe this is already reported as

Re: what's after slink

1998-10-03 Thread Bob Nielsen
On Fri, 2 Oct 1998, Joseph Carter wrote: On Fri, Oct 02, 1998 at 05:20:29PM -0700, Ben Gertzfield wrote: Kenneth After you freeze slink, what will be then name of the new Kenneth 'unstable' release (debian 2.2 or 3.0 that is). I think 'woody' would be an appropriate nickname. :)

Intend to package gtkfind

1998-10-03 Thread Martin Schulze
gtkfind-0.7 is a graphical file-finding program using the gtk toolkit A screenshot can be found here: http://www.oz.net/~mattg/gtkfind.gif Regards, Joey -- Whenever you meet yourself you're in a time loop or in front of a mirror.

Re: what's after slink

1998-10-03 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sat, Oct 03, 1998 at 06:57:54AM -0700, Bob Nielsen wrote: But didn't an even earlier discussion conclude that woody should be bypassed as it would be offensive to some people. It's only offensive if you're in the frame of mind to think so. Aren't there children's stories with a character

Suse supports linuxconf

1998-10-03 Thread Rainer Dorsch
I remembered, that there was some time ago some discussion about linuxconf on the list. I just picked up, that Suse will support linuxconf (beside yast) in Suse 6.0 (release date: end of 1998). -- Rainer Dorsch Abt. Rechnerarchitektur e-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Uni StuttgartTel.:

Re: FWD: Re: Linus is on a powertrip..

1998-10-03 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joey Hess) wrote on 02.10.98 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This is from the linux kernel mailing list. I find it pretty completly sums op my thoughts on all the new constitution and voting and policy voting stuff that we've been setting up. I haven't been vocal about this, but I

Re: Suse supports linuxconf

1998-10-03 Thread Martin Schulze
Rainer Dorsch wrote: I remembered, that there was some time ago some discussion about linuxconf on the list. I just picked up, that Suse will support linuxconf (beside yast) in Suse 6.0 (release date: end of 1998). Please check our experimental such as

Re: Intent to Package GNU nana

1998-10-03 Thread Martin Schulze
Brent Fulgham wrote: I am working on a project that could benefit from the GNU nana package. It would be a cool idea if you would provide a description what nana is or does. Regards, Joey -- Whenever you meet yourself you're in a time loop or in front of a mirror.

Re: Switch to perl-5.005_02 ?

1998-10-03 Thread Martin Schulze
Darren/Torin/Who Ever... wrote: Joey Hess, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote: Do you have any plans to offer it as something like /usr/bin/perl-t? (or would modules need to be rebuilt too?) It will be available as /usr/bin/perl5.00502-thread. I could manage the /usr/bin/perl-t

Re: what's after slink

1998-10-03 Thread Martin Schulze
This leaves the following possible names: Ben Gertzfield wrote: Here's what imdb.com says: Cast overview, first billed only: Don Rickles Mr. Potato Head John Morris (III) Andy Laurie Metcalf Mrs. Davis R. Lee Ermey Sergeant Sarah Freeman Hannah

Re: Intent to Package GNU nana

1998-10-03 Thread Ben Pfaff
Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brent Fulgham wrote: I am working on a project that could benefit from the GNU nana package. It would be a cool idea if you would provide a description what nana is or does. From the README: * GNU Nana - improved support for assertions and

Re: Switch to perl-5.005_02 ?

1998-10-03 Thread Richard Braakman
Martin Schulze wrote: Darren/Torin/Who Ever... wrote: Joey Hess, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote: Do you have any plans to offer it as something like /usr/bin/perl-t? (or would modules need to be rebuilt too?) It will be available as /usr/bin/perl5.00502-thread. I could

intent to package

1998-10-03 Thread Ivan Stojic
I'm just about to become a debian developer, and i would like to package BeroFTPD, and Telnet98

Re: what's after slink

1998-10-03 Thread Bob Nielsen
On Sat, 3 Oct 1998, Martin Schulze wrote: This leaves the following possible names: Ben Gertzfield wrote: Here's what imdb.com says: Cast overview, first billed only: Don Rickles Mr. Potato Head John Morris (III) Andy Laurie Metcalf Mrs. Davis R.

Re: what's after slink

1998-10-03 Thread Ben Gertzfield
Hamish == Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bob But didn't an even earlier discussion conclude that woody Bob should be bypassed as it would be offensive to some people. Hamish It's only offensive if you're in the frame of mind to Hamish think so. Aren't there children's

Re: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/ may not be conffile ?

1998-10-03 Thread Gregory S. Stark
Peter S Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Policy states: *Application defaults* files have to be installed in the directory `/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/'. They are considered as part of the program code. Thus, they should not be modified and should not be tagged

What about a bookmarks-package ?

1998-10-03 Thread Christian Hammers
Hi ! Just an idea while I was (like so often) search the Web for some Information: Why not creating a Debian package that contains a huge html file with links and some bookmarks-file converters for Netscape/IE/lynx etc. The bookmarks could e.g. contain a folder with all (good) search engines,

Re: Canada to remain mostly free

1998-10-03 Thread Gregory S. Stark
Avery Pennarun [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Oct 02, 1998 at 10:35:54AM -0400, Greg Stark wrote: Manley announced new crypto policies, and though the speech is low on detail, despite being particularly long-winded, it seems Canada may remain in the free world. Very cool. It

Re: What about a bookmarks-package ?

1998-10-03 Thread Martin Schulze
Christian Hammers wrote: Why not creating a Debian package that contains a huge html file with links and some bookmarks-file converters for Netscape/IE/lynx etc. P.S.: Yes, I would like to be maintainer - if all of you be contributers =;-) I'd say: Go ahead. First start for the search

Re: Switch to perl-5.005_02 ?

1998-10-03 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Sat, Oct 03, 1998 at 07:21:06PM +0200, Richard Braakman écrivait: Let's wait till *after* the freeze and do that in the new unstable. Frankly, I think it's a bad idea to just break all those packages. Isn't there some way to create a smooth upgrade path? No. But it might no be a great

Re: Switch to perl-5.005_02 ?

1998-10-03 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Thu, Oct 01, 1998 at 10:08:01PM -0400, Roderick Schertler écrivait: One wouldn't want to switch /usr/bin/perl to have threading enabled at this point, as there is still a significant speed penalty (somewhere in the neighborhood of 30%, even if you haven't spawned any auxiliary threads). I

Re: what's after slink

1998-10-03 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sat, 3 Oct 1998, Bob Nielsen wrote: [ snip ] : That's from the credits, but there are some more : : r.c. (mentioned previously) : molly : snake : robot : etch : mike : mr. spell : lenny : claw : : There were a few others, but I couldn't pick out the names from the : soundtrack.

Re: FWD: Re: Linus is on a powertrip..

1998-10-03 Thread Joey Hess
Kai Henningsen wrote: Linus is the main developer for Linux. That makes him a good benevolent dictator. Debian does not have a main developer; Ian has a political, not a technical, job. Linus's position is just as political as Ian's, it's just not so obvious because the difference in the

Re: What about a bookmarks-package ?

1998-10-03 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Sat, Oct 03, 1998 at 08:51:53PM +0200, Christian Hammers écrivait: What is your opinion - would this be a good idea ? Yes, I think so. I propose you to have some national pages which would held links for non-english speaking sites. e.g. french-links.html beside links.html (english-speaking

Re: what's after slink

1998-10-03 Thread Kenneth Scharf
If 'Woody' was offensive, do you think that Disney would have used the name in their movie? Wasn't toy story rated G? Come on, who is more sensitive to this than the mouse factory? -- On Sat, Oct 03, 1998 at 06:57:54AM -0700, Bob Nielsen

Re: intent to package

1998-10-03 Thread Ian Lynagh
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ivan Stojic [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Telnet98 I've already taken that one. Sorry :-( -- Ian Lynagh - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lynagh.demon.co.uk/ My poor mouse only has one ball.

Re: An X version of dselect for slink

1998-10-03 Thread Philip Thiem
Jim Pick wrote: Tom Lees [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since it seems obvious that apt WON'T be finished (GUI bit I mean) before freeze of slink, I have started writing an X clone of the Dselect tool. Although to be ready by 16th will make it pretty much a hack, I think it Great! Keep

formal documents

1998-10-03 Thread Kikutani Makoto
hi, I have a question about the procedure to become a maintainer. You should also include some mechanism by which we can verify your real-life identity. For example, any of the following mechanisms would suffice: * A PGP or RSA key signed by any well-known signature, such as

slanglib for Japanese

1998-10-03 Thread Kikutani Makoto
Please consider a compiliance to Japanese for slanglib in the next release. The necessary work is only set #define SLANG_HAS_KANJI_SUPPORT 1 in src/sl-feat.h. I believe this doesn't affect to English. -- Kikutani, Makoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Linux related

Re: formal documents

1998-10-03 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On Sat, Oct 03, 1998 at 05:43:14PM -0400, Kikutani Makoto wrote: Do you accept a passport as the above formal documents ? I'm not one of those who decide that, but I would find it quite strange if it were not accepted. It's as formal as it could reasonably get. Antti-Juhani --

Re: what's after slink

1998-10-03 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sat, Oct 03, 1998 at 11:26:51AM -0700, Ben Gertzfield wrote: Hamish It's only offensive if you're in the frame of mind to Hamish think so. Aren't there children's stories with a Hamish character named Woody Woodpecker? Actually, Woody Woodpecker is a cartoon, still shown on

GTK Dselect - ALPHA 1

1998-10-03 Thread Tom Lees
Just a small tar.gz. Not many features are implemented at the moment - notably, it doesnt update the status file, and it doesnt lock the status area, but I'm releasing it for testing of the rest of it. To compile, cd gdselect, and run make. The binary is in gtk/gdselect. One question: the core

gnome .debs

1998-10-03 Thread Justin Maurer
(for the purposes of this email, consider my sig my resume). i am an admin at a local high school. our shell server is a p233 with 128m ram and 12gb disk. it will soon be upgraded to 256mb, and sooner or later, a second processor. it sits on a t1, with incoming ftp