Re: Potato now stable

2000-08-16 Thread Colin Walters
Bas Zoetekouw [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I personally would like having hardware detection stuff in woody. Wouldn't it be great to have to install procedure ask you something like hi dude, I've detected that you've got a ne2000 NIC in your computer. Shall I load the appropriate module?? (and

Re: policy changes toward Non-Interactive installation

2000-08-16 Thread Brian May
Joey == Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Joey I read your entire message and could not find any examples Joey of things that debconf cannot handle correctly, except of Joey course for conffile change prompting, which it was never Joey designed to do. I think something needs

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Anthony == Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes: Anthony ifconfig is a required file for /sbin according the the FHS Anthony section 3.10 as distributed in the debian-policy package. I think that some people are espousing non-compliance with the standards. Is that what we want

Re: policy changes toward Non-Interactive installation

2000-08-16 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 08:26:50PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: Anthony Towns wrote: Basically, I'd like to be able to insist that I'm *never* asked a question as part of a postinst. I'd rather the postinst fail (and I'd rather Apt/Dpkg just get on with installing everything else, although it

Re: policy changes toward Non-Interactive installation

2000-08-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Anthony == Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes: Anthony To clarify a little: I want to be able to answer the Anthony questions up front, do the install and have it work. If I've This is not somethign anyone can argue with. Anthony made a mistake (like not put a file where I

Re: How many CDs in potato?

2000-08-16 Thread Mike Markley
On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 04:58:19PM -0400, Buddha Buck [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake forth: Why would a package be in contrib if it didn't depend on non-free? I thought that that was the current definition of contrib: DFSG-free, but requires something from outside of main (e.g., contrib or

Re: ITP: Moscow ML - An implementation of standard ML.

2000-08-16 Thread Nicolás Lichtmaier
Don't do that. Moscow ML was my first package when I joined and I had to learn that there are license problems. To be precise it is based on Caml Light which is not GPLed (read: has further restrictions) therefore you can't link GPL-code against it. We can't distribute

compaq iPaq

2000-08-16 Thread Joey Hess
[ Please reply to debian-arm and me (I'm not on that list). Posted to -devel to pick up any interested people who arn't on -arm. ] For those who don't know, the iPaq is a ARM-based pocket computer near the size of a palm pilot, that runs linux[1], including X. It has 32 MB of ram, and 16 MB of

Re: kernel-image with the same version

2000-08-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, Atsuhito == Atsuhito Kohda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Atsuhito I installed recently potato from scratch. Rescue disk installed Atsuhito kernel 2.2.17 and I rebuild kernel-image with kerne-source 2.2.17 Atsuhito so the version of kernel was same for both. Umm. This should not

Re: compaq iPaq

2000-08-16 Thread Joey Hess
It's been pointed out that emdebian (http://www.emdebian.org/) is essentilly an effort to do just this. -- see shy jo

Re: compaq iPaq

2000-08-16 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, Joey Hess wrote: It's been pointed out that emdebian (http://www.emdebian.org/) is essentilly an effort to do just this. It is? I use their stuff and the main focus is cross compilers and cross environments for debian, not really shrinking and porting debian proper.

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-16 Thread Eray Ozkural
I proposed using symlinks for programs in */sbin to enable normal users to see them in their default path, but now I think this is a bit messy. (For instance, /sbin/ifconfig - /bin/ifconfig, lots of these would be ad hoc) For simplicity's sake, I think it's just good enough to include /sbin,

Re: compaq iPaq

2000-08-16 Thread Joey Hess
Jason Gunthorpe wrote: It is? I use their stuff and the main focus is cross compilers and cross environments for debian, not really shrinking and porting debian proper. Well right now that's true, but it does seem to have grand goals of shrinking Debian to a few MB and so on. -- see shy jo

Re: debian at work, how to make packages

2000-08-16 Thread brent verner
On 13 Aug 2000 at 18:20 (+0200), Allan Jacobsen wrote: | Hi | | I have been using debian for more than 4 years now and I have | finaly talked my boss into trying debian instead of redhat | for our servers, that we install in hotels all over europe. | I have been reading most of the dokumentation

Re: Potato now stable

2000-08-16 Thread Bas Zoetekouw
Thus spake Colin Walters ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I noticed the other day that recent versions of RedHat use something called Kudzu (sp?) to do this. When I took out the network card, it warned me that some hardware was missing, and offered to change some things to compensate. Has anyone has

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-16 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 05:07:25PM -0400, Decklin Foster wrote: Steve Bowman writes: OK, how about moving everything into /bin except what FHS specifically says should be in /sbin? snip list from FHS 3.10 I very much like this idea. Does anyone have objections? I don't object. I still

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-16 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 07:32:32AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 05:55:38PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: But I thought one of the main complaints was that /usr/sbin wasn't in the PATH. Generally, maintainer scripts, and

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-16 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 12:39:15PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 01:12:58AM +0300, Eray Ozkural wrote: I was confused by not having ifconfig in my user path. On this machine, there's only a dial-up net connection, and it has some small connectivity problems. I need to

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-16 Thread Branden Robinson
[Followups to debian-policy, please] On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 11:22:11PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: I think that some people are espousing non-compliance with the standards. Is that what we want to do? The FHS exhaustively explains the difference between compatibility and compliance.

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-16 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 09:23:11AM +0300, Eray Ozkural wrote: For simplicity's sake, I think it's just good enough to include /sbin, /usr/sbin and /usr/local/sbin in user's default path. I think if someone has to do such a thing, then: a) they forgot to su root; or b) they don't know they

Re: kernel-image with the same version

2000-08-16 Thread Atsuhito Kohda
From: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: kernel-image with the same version Date: 16 Aug 2000 00:31:48 -0500 Atsuhito I installed recently potato from scratch. Rescue disk installed Atsuhito kernel 2.2.17 and I rebuild kernel-image with kerne-source 2.2.17 Atsuhito so the

Re: How many CDs in potato?

2000-08-16 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 04:58:19PM -0400, Buddha Buck wrote: Why would a package be in contrib if it didn't depend on non-free? I thought that that was the current definition of contrib: DFSG-free, but requires something from outside of main (e.g., contrib or non-free). It could depend on a

Re: kernel-image with the same version

2000-08-16 Thread Atsuhito Kohda
From: Ben Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: kernel-image with the same version Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:54:29 -0400 Edit /etc/kernel-img.conf and add this line: reverse_symlink := yes Okay I will try later. BTW, /etc/kernel-img.conf might be /etc/kernel-pkg.conf Thanks for your kind

Re: Intel Assembly error

2000-08-16 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 04:44:37PM -0700, Richard Hecker wrote: I ran into a compiler error that I do not recognize. Instead of spinning my wheels further with this, I was hoping someone familiar with Intel assembly language on this list could shed some light on what is happening here. As

Re: How many CDs in potato?

2000-08-16 Thread Santiago Vila
On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, Mike Markley wrote: On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 04:58:19PM -0400, Buddha Buck [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake forth: Why would a package be in contrib if it didn't depend on non-free? I thought that that was the current definition of contrib: DFSG-free, but requires something

Re: Intel Assembly error

2000-08-16 Thread Paul Slootman
On Wed 16 Aug 2000, Branden Robinson wrote: I am not an assembly guru on any architecture, but here's what I think this means. Please be warned that these could be the ravings of a deranged lunatic. Ditto. The AX register is an old 16-bit register from 8086 days. When you're running in

ITP: freeswan

2000-08-16 Thread Rene Mayrhofer
I intent to package freeswan (currently version 1.5) and have already taken the freeswan 1.3 package from Tommi Virtanen and the freeswan 1.5 package from Aaron Johnson. I will merge those with my own package and hope to get something that can be uploaded into woody in the next 2 weeks. Since I

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-16 Thread Herbert Xu
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting the FHS: Deciding what things go into sbin directories is simple: If a normal (not a system administrator) user will ever run it directly, then it should be placed in one of the bin directories. Ordinary users should not have to

Re: compaq iPaq

2000-08-16 Thread Wookey
On Wed 16 Aug, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, Joey Hess wrote: It's been pointed out that emdebian (http://www.emdebian.org/) is essentilly an effort to do just this. [shrink debian to fit handhelds] It is? I use their stuff and the main focus is cross compilers and

Re: Intel Assembly error

2000-08-16 Thread Herbert Xu
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: /* the original bogomips code from the Linux kernel */ static __inline__ void delay(int loops) { __asm__(.align 2,0x90\n1:\tdecl %0\n\tjns 1b: :a (loops):ax); } You can either read the GCC FAQ or the GCC info on the details of this problem. But

Re: Intel Assembly error

2000-08-16 Thread Herbert Xu
Herbert Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: int bradon; __asm__(.align 2,0x90\n1:\tdecl %0\n\tjns 1b : =a (=brandon): 0 (loops)); Make that int brandon; __asm__ __volatile__(.align 2,0x90\n1:\tdecl %0\n\tjns 1b : =a (brandon): 0 (loops)); Oh, and you should probably upgrade your

[PROPOSED 2000/08/16] Free pkgs depending on non-US should go into non-US/{main,contrib}

2000-08-16 Thread Anthony Towns
Package: debian-policy Severity: wishlist On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 10:25:28AM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, Mike Markley wrote: A dependency on non-us will also land a package in contrib. I think there was a proposal to change that, so that packages which depend on packages

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-16 Thread Anthony Towns
FHS discuss people: where should traceroute go? Tradition dictates /usr/sbin, the FHS seems to indicate /usr/bin would be more appropriate. On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 07:22:26PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: Blindly following a contradictory standard is only going to get us into trouble later on.

Embedded Debian (was: compaq iPaq)

2000-08-16 Thread Frank Smith
Wookey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed 16 Aug, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, Joey Hess wrote: It's been pointed out that emdebian (http://www.emdebian.org/) is essentilly an effort to do just this. [shrink debian to fit handhelds] It is? I use their

Re: Embedded Debian (was: compaq iPaq)

2000-08-16 Thread Matthew Franz
2. Generation - I can imagine many different ways of building the operating system image. The one I'll be working on initially is a Snarf 'n' Pick implementation. Basically it will work by snarfing Debian packages and picking subsets of files from the packages. To my

Re: Menu hierarchie for different users and general user settings

2000-08-16 Thread Bernhard R. Link
On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, Andreas Tille wrote: interesting one for this kind of user. So I wonder if there could be installed a mechanism in the menu system which serves the following functionality: 1. list menuitems of all installed software (the state we have now) for the

RE: Embedded Debian (was: compaq iPaq)

2000-08-16 Thread Frank Smith
Matthew Franz wrote: Frank, I think the OS-builder app is a great idea. Would its raw material be pre-compiled debian binary packages or would My first pass at this will be based on snarfing pre-compiled binary packages. Simply QD, but probably useful to a lot of people. it be able

Re: Embedded Debian (was: compaq iPaq)

2000-08-16 Thread Ben Armstrong
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Matthew Franz wrote: Would its raw material be pre-compiled debian binary packages or would it be able to build the system from source. Unless there were separate embedded .debs, I don't know that the standard binaries would be compact enough to support limited

RE: Embedded Debian (was: compaq iPaq)

2000-08-16 Thread Frank Smith
Hi Ben, Ben Armstrong wrote: anywhere else in Debian? It's curious that busybox isn't packaged separately. Actually, a few weeks ago Erik Anderson wrote to tell me: FYI, I just uploaded busybox_0.45-1_i386.deb busybox-static_0.45-1_i386.deb busybox_0.45-1_i386.changes

Re: Menu hierarchie for different users and general user settings

2000-08-16 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Bernhard R. Link wrote: This together with internationalisation seems to be a very difficult goal. Yes! Fully agreed! We have (at least) two parameters which characterize a user: prefered language and knowledge state While we could guess that the prefered

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-16 Thread Steve Greenland
On 15-Aug-00, 17:12 (CDT), Eray Ozkural [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was confused by not having ifconfig in my user path. On this machine, there's only a dial-up net connection, and it has some small connectivity problems. I need to check whether the line's really up. I found myself going

Woody goals: data section and science section

2000-08-16 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Now that potato is out, it would be nice to finally create the proposed data and science sections. Just a reminder.

Re: Potato now stable

2000-08-16 Thread Seth Cohn
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Bas Zoetekouw wrote: Has anyone has looked into porting this [Kudzu] to Debian? Mandrake, too, includes a hardware detection libarary (libdetect). Some time ago, Dan Helfman [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cc'ed him), was busy packaging it. Dan, have you had any luck yet adapting

Re: Menu hierarchie for different users and general user settings

2000-08-16 Thread Bernhard R. Link
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Andreas Tille wrote: The problem of overloaded menus for beginners isn't solved in other systems, but may be somebody will have a clever idea, if there is a request for such a thing. That's why I expressed my idea, really knowing that it wouldn't be solved in the next

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-16 Thread Raul Miller
On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 09:23:11AM +0300, Eray Ozkural wrote: For simplicity's sake, I think it's just good enough to include /sbin, /usr/sbin and /usr/local/sbin in user's default path. On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 02:42:37AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: I think if someone has to do such a

Re: Potato now stable

2000-08-16 Thread Seth Cohn
I recall reading a few months ago about a plan to merge ALL of the existing hardware detection routines into one lump, in order to consolidate work and effort. The proposal was met with acceptance by many (if not all) of the major developers (Mandrake, Redhat, Suse, Turbo) please post if

Re: Non-US Incoming

2000-08-16 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Michael Sobolev wrote: Is it possible to access this for non-developers? No. Wichert. -- _ / Nothing is fool-proof to a sufficiently talented fool \ | [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-16 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 12:18:14PM -0700, Steve Bowman wrote: OK, how about moving everything into /bin except what FHS specifically says should be in /sbin? Section 3.10[0] identifies the following specifically to be located in /sbin: We can put everything in /bin and make /sbin a link to

Re: Potato now stable

2000-08-16 Thread Chris Lawrence
On Aug 16, Bas Zoetekouw wrote: Mandrake, too, includes a hardware detection libarary (libdetect). Some time ago, Dan Helfman [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cc'ed him), was busy packaging it. Dan, have you had any luck yet adapting it to Debian? Dan has reasonably up-to-date packages of libdetect and

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-16 Thread Raul Miller
On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 02:34:26PM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: We can put everything in /bin and make /sbin a link to /bin. This way the utilities the FHS liste can be found in /sbin, but there physical place is elsewhere. This does not violate the standard. This has nasty implications with

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-16 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 07:22:26PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: Well, the FHS is contradicting itself here. On one hand, it says that ifconfig is required to be in /sbin, on the other, according to this paragraph, since a user could ocassionally wish to run ifconfig to list the interfaces, it has

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-16 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 08:34:09PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: This definition is really quite poor if you put too much emphasis on the ever. swapon, for example, is clearly a tool for the admin, but a user might decide one day to run it just see which version of the program is installed on

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-16 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 10:53:51AM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 02:42:37AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: I think if someone has to do such a thing, then: a) they forgot to su root; or b) they don't know they need privleges to use the command in question; or

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-16 Thread Jacob Kuntz
Marcus Brinkmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: We can put everything in /bin and make /sbin a link to /bin. This way the utilities the FHS liste can be found in /sbin, but there physical place is elsewhere. This does not violate the standard. (The Hurd has a symlink from /usr to /, this way

Re: Potato now stable

2000-08-16 Thread Dan Helfman
On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 08:46:38AM +0200, Bas Zoetekouw wrote: Thus spake Colin Walters ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I noticed the other day that recent versions of RedHat use something called Kudzu (sp?) to do this. When I took out the network card, it warned me that some hardware was missing,

build dependencies

2000-08-16 Thread bug1
It would be cool if packages had better support for build dependencies so its easier/more reliable to build from source. There would probably have to be a set of source base packages defined somewhere that are required as a base for building, but not a base for regular usage as base is currently

Re: build dependencies

2000-08-16 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On 2817T040155+1000, bug1 wrote: It would be cool if packages had better support for build dependencies so its easier/more reliable to build from source. Specifically? There would probably have to be a set of source base packages defined somewhere that are required as a base for building

Debian entry out to date in Distribution HOWTO

2000-08-16 Thread Manuel Menal
Hi all, Translating the Distribution-HOWTO, I noticed that the Debian Linux (sic) entry in this HOWTO was seriously out to date since it hasn't been modified since July 1998, when hamm was released ! Furthermore, it talks about Debian Linux instead of Debian GNU/Linux. I know this HOWTO is

Re: build dependencies

2000-08-16 Thread Peter S Galbraith
bug1 wrote: It would be cool if packages had better support for build dependencies so its easier/more reliable to build from source. Something like this? Source: gri Section: math Priority: optional Maintainer: Peter S Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Build-Depends: debhelper, netcdfg-dev,

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-16 Thread Bryan Andersen
Perhaps not. But a traceroute in /usr/bin would satisfy more people than a traceroute in /usr/sbin. Traceroute is a diagnostic command. As such it isn't general use. When a user or administrator is using it it is because of unusual conditions. My opinion is to leave it in /usr/sbin. Let

Problem with apt on slink systems

2000-08-16 Thread Alexander Reelsen
Hi I've just noticed a problem, when I wanted to install a package on an old slink system. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# grep ^[^#] /etc/apt/sources.list deb ftp://ftp.rfc822.org/debian slink main contrib non-free deb-src ftp://ftp.rfc822.org/debian slink main contrib non-free deb

Re: Problem with apt on slink systems

2000-08-16 Thread dsb3
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# grep ^[^#] /etc/apt/sources.list [snip] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# apt-get install zsh [snip] Where the heck the word 'stable' comes from? I removed my hole /var/state/apt/ and I do not know where it comes from. Hardcoded anywhere perhaps? Or did I miss something grave?

Re: Problem with apt on slink systems

2000-08-16 Thread Alexander Reelsen
On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 12:53:03PM -0700, dsb3 wrote: Where the heck the word 'stable' comes from? I removed my hole /var/state/apt/ and I do not know where it comes from. Hardcoded anywhere perhaps? Or did I miss something grave? Did you 'apt-get update'? Yeah. I'm not an apt-get

Re: Problem with apt on slink systems

2000-08-16 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Alexander Reelsen wrote: Where the heck the word 'stable' comes from? I removed my hole /var/state/apt/ and I do not know where it comes from. Hardcoded anywhere perhaps? Or did I miss something grave? The slink package files have this inside.. That needs to be changed

RE: Embedded Debian (was: compaq iPaq)

2000-08-16 Thread Eric Molitor
Ag, evil. If you plan to use busybox upgrade to .46 there are some serious problems with .45 in regards to tar and nfs. On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Frank Smith wrote: Hi Ben, Ben Armstrong wrote: anywhere else in Debian? It's curious that busybox isn't packaged separately. Actually, a

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-16 Thread Adrian Bridgett
On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 12:31:47 -0500 (+), Branden Robinson wrote: On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 07:22:26PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: Well, the FHS is contradicting itself here. On one hand, it says that ifconfig is required to be in /sbin, on the other, according to this paragraph, since a

Re: ITP: Moscow ML - An implementation of standard

2000-08-16 Thread dvdeug
Torsten Landschoff said: I don't quite remember. I think I contacted inria (they hold the Caml copyright) about changing that but to no extent. I am not sure if changing the MoSML license would help - at least it has to go to non-free then. I did not want to maintain a non-free package at

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-16 Thread James Ralston
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Anthony Towns wrote: FHS discuss people: where should traceroute go? Tradition dictates /usr/sbin, the FHS seems to indicate /usr/bin would be more appropriate. [analysis] IMHO, the deciding factor should be whether traceroute is installed setuid root. If traceroute

Re: Embedded Debian (was: compaq iPaq)

2000-08-16 Thread Erik Andersen
Quoting Ben Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED]: sort of configuration at compile-time would be a useful. Is busybox used anywhere else in Debian? It's curious that busybox isn't packaged separately. debian developer and author/maintainer of busybox hat on For woody, we are creating a new section

Re: Installing packages without manpages and docs

2000-08-16 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:53:30 +0200, Paul Slootman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon 07 Aug 2000, Marc Haber wrote: Is there any way to make apt-get stop installing packages' man pages and documentation? I never actually tried that, but would symlinking No. That's bad. Anyway, I can stop searching

Office Suite for Debian Linux

2000-08-16 Thread Sam Sim
Dear Debian Linux, I am familiar with you operating system and wanted to contact you. I represent VirtualTek Corp. here in Seattle, WA., http://joydesk.com. Our flagship product, Joydesk, is a web-based PIM application (email, calendar, address book, message board and task list), designed

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-16 Thread Raul Miller
On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 12:40:42PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: In other words, I think the choice of directory should be controlled by factors intrinsic, not extrinsic, to the program in question. I think this is a reasonable viewpoint. -- Raul

Unofficial packages for Postaci

2000-08-16 Thread Murat Demirten
Hi, I've preapared a deb package for postaci. Postaci is a PHP based POP3 e-mail client that stores e-mail in virtual MySQL tables. It supports English, German, French, Turkish and is also fully MIME compatible. I cannot upload the packages because I'm not an official developer. I will be glad

Re: Office Suite for Debian Linux

2000-08-16 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
Hello Sam, Debian is an effort driven by volunteers. Our focus is free software, although we also provide ftp space for non-free software which can be distributed in debian format at no cost, if there is a volunteer to maintain it for Debian. On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 04:01:00PM -0700, Sam Sim

Bug#69271: general: why not a praise tracking system?

2000-08-16 Thread Joost Kooij
Package: general Version: 2816 Severity: wishlist Hi, Debian has for years maintained an excellent bug tracking system. What I am missing is a praise tracking system. It would operate similarly to the b.t.s.; users could: - send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to have their recognition

Linux Users Forum and Awards Presentations - 30 Oct 2000 - Wash. D.C. AWARDS... EXHIBIT AND SPONSOR OPPORTUNITIES

2000-08-16 Thread David C. Dickson
To:debian-devel@lists.debian.org First Annual Linux User's Training Conference And Awards Presentation New Enterprise Solutions Through Linux October 30, 2000 Ronald Reagan Building and International Trade Center 1300 Pennsylvania Avenue Washington D.C. Atrium Ballroom PLEASE PASS THIS

Re: Bug tracking system and testing distribution Re: Potato now stable

2000-08-16 Thread Joey Hess
Christoph Martin wrote: We have a problem with the bug tracking system as long as we can't really find out to which versions of a package a bug really applies. We only mosttimes have the version of the packages where a problem showed up. But we don't know if the bug was introduced with this

Re: policy changes toward Non-Interactive installation

2000-08-16 Thread Joey Hess
Brian May wrote: Steve == Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steve Which reminds me, what sort of security is enabled in Steve debconf? Can any user read the values from the database, or Steve is it limited to root? Not sure about this (on my system only root can read

Re: policy changes toward Non-Interactive installation

2000-08-16 Thread Joey Hess
Brian May wrote: Just curious, why does realplayer have to do it in the postinst script? Actually, I was misremembering -- it used to do that but I removed it. As another example though, look at heimdal-kdc, which needs to ask for the password, which must be kept as secure as possible. I

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-16 Thread Joey Hess
Branden Robinson wrote: To be frank I'm not distressed by the thought of lots of programs moving from sbin to bin, or even the elimination of sbin altogether. Perhaps it would be neat to move back to what sbin was orginially used for -- static binaries. Erik Andrerson has a whole slew of them

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-16 Thread Joey Hess
Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hmm. Lets step back here, and take a deep breath. What we need to consider is whether the underlying principle is desirable -- does it make sense to have two separate path components? The rationale was that for the common user, there are programs that are not

Re: policy changes toward Non-Interactive installation

2000-08-16 Thread Joey Hess
Manoj Srivastava wrote: Actually, this is a particular irritant. Why does it have to be done in the postinst? Why can't I have /usr/sbin/inst-realplayer? So I can download and install at my leaisure, and I do not have to reinstall realplayer installer to get a new copy? Or have the

Bug#69271: general: why not a praise tracking system?

2000-08-16 Thread Brian May
Joost == Joost Kooij [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Joost What I am missing is a praise tracking system. It would Joost operate similarly to the b.t.s.; users could: Joost - send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to have their Joost recognition for a debian package registered and forwarded

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-16 Thread Steve Greenland
On 16-Aug-00, 12:31 (CDT), Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blindly following your fiat declarations about traceroute are getting us into trouble now. What trouble is that? I don't consider having to type /sbin/traceroute or add /sbin to my path trouble. The constitution clearly

Bug#69271: general: why not a praise tracking system?

2000-08-16 Thread Seth Cohn
Joost What I am missing is a praise tracking system. It would Joost operate similarly to the b.t.s.; users could: Sounds like a good idea, eg to help motivate maintainers fix bugs. I think it would be good just to alert people to real well done packages (for instance, excellent debconf

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-16 Thread Herbert Xu
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Incidentally, if one wants to argue by analogy, traceroute is more similar to ping than it is to ifconfig or route, because both traceroute and ping actually send ICMP packets out over the interface, and neither ifconfig nor Hmm, I didn't know that

I propose gazillion packages (LONG)

2000-08-16 Thread Juhapekka Tolvanen
First I'd like to tell, that I don't subscribe to debian-devel, but I can read its archives from WWW. And I am not a Debian developer. I propose these packages to be added to Debian GNU/Linux. I have proposed them once before, but they are not yet added. **

Is dh_installxfonts okay?

2000-08-16 Thread Atsuhito Kohda
I am not sure and I am afraid I might misunderstand something but I wish to know... Several xfonts-* packages seem to fail removing fonts.dir/alias on removing or purging. The postrm of them has for currentdir in $fontdirs; do longdir=/usr/lib/X11/fonts/$currentdir if [

Re: Office Suite for Debian Linux

2000-08-16 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Sam Sim wrote: Dear Debian Linux, I am familiar with you operating system and wanted to contact you. Wow. How familiar can he be? we will be in your area towards the end of September. I would like briefly stop by your offices

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-16 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 01:18:39PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 02:34:26PM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: We can put everything in /bin and make /sbin a link to /bin. This way the utilities the FHS liste can be found in /sbin, but there physical place is elsewhere. This