Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-03 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
(For those who are not aware of this issue, please read #92810) Since the doc-rfc packages have been moved to non-free, I have just cloned the doc-rfc RC bug (#92810) and assigned it to some other packages which provide RFCs (for a full list see the the bug report, but more might be affected). I

NMU (was: )Re: po-debconf de configure-debian)

2003-07-03 Thread Christian Perrier
(désolé, j'aurais du changer le sujet plus tôt) Quoting Mathieu Roy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): De toute façon, les docs à ce propos sont assez claires (pas de NMU pour des bugs mineurs, pas de NMU sans avoir contacté le mainteneur, pas de NMU sans respecter un délai). Je cherche encore où les docs

Re: po-debconf de configure-debian

2003-07-03 Thread Julien BLACHE
Christian Perrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: La réponse vaut pour toi et Denis, je ne veux pas poster 2 fois ;) Surtout si c'est pour un truc aussi important que des fichiers mal nommés dans debian/po. Là je comprends que le mainteneur puisse avoir une furieuse envie d'étrangler l'auteur du

Re: po-debconf de configure-debian

2003-07-03 Thread Benjamin Drieu
Christian Perrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: La correction est totalement triviale à faire. Comment expliquer autrement que par un manque de temps le fait qu'elle ne soit pas faite ? Il se trouve que le mainteneur en question est dans le processus NM et que je m'occupe de son application.

Re: po-debconf de configure-debian

2003-07-03 Thread Pierre Machard
Salut à tous, Le jeudi 03 juillet 2003 à 12:10 +0200, Benjamin Drieu a écrit : [...] C'est sûr. La répartition de la responsabilité sur les traductions manque peut-être également de recul. Je suis convaincu que le mainteneur ne devrait pas avoir à s'en occuper, car comme tu dis, ce n'est pas

Re: po-debconf de configure-debian

2003-07-03 Thread Nicolas Bertolissio
Le jeudi 3 juillet 2003, Benjamin Drieu écrit : Christian Perrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Je veux bien qu'on ne veuille pas sortir une version à chaque fois qu'il y a un bogue à fixer...mais de là à laisser ouvert plusieurs dizaines de jours des bogues qui proposent un fr.po ou un

Re: Info, pb de dépendances

2003-07-03 Thread Mathieu Roy
Maxime Chatelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : Salut, J'aurait souhaiter savoir comment je pouvais signaler un probleme de dépendance ? (avec reportbug ?? ) (ou par mail au mainteneur ?? ) il y a un mois environ, j'ai installer Sid sur une de mes machines et j'avais remarquer un probleme

Re: Info, pb de dépendances

2003-07-03 Thread Frédéric Bothamy
* Maxime Chatelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-07-03 21:02] : Salut, J'aurait souhaiter savoir comment je pouvais signaler un probleme de dépendance ? (avec reportbug ?? ) (ou par mail au mainteneur ?? ) il y a un mois environ, j'ai installer Sid sur une de mes machines et j'avais remarquer un

Re: NMU (was : )Re: po-debconf de configure-debian)

2003-07-03 Thread Denis Barbier
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 09:14:34AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: (désolé, j'aurais du changer le sujet plus tôt) Quoting Mathieu Roy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): De toute façon, les docs à ce propos sont assez claires (pas de NMU pour des bugs mineurs, pas de NMU sans avoir contacté le

Re: debootstrapping and sysvinit

2003-07-03 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Wed, 02 Jul 2003, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: I accepted maintainership because I am the upstream author, and having [...] In short, I am actively developing the Debian and non-debian parts of it. It's just that I happen to do this in bursts, and some people get upset when the bursts they

Re: Status of Unofficial Sarge Release Issues (Updated for July)

2003-07-03 Thread Andreas Metzler
Drew Scott Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The last time I posted my unofficial release issues status I received several requests to change the formatting, and so I have. I plan to find a site to host this html document (preferably alioth), but I haven't ironed out the details yet. It should

Concurrent CLEAN Package

2003-07-03 Thread ZHAO Wei
Last I mentioned my intention to package CLEAN for Debian. Someone (Sorry I lost your email.) replied me that there is already a CLEAN package for Debian. But I can't find the package from apt-cache. I thought it was still waiting in incoming queue so I waited for awhile, but it's still not there.

Re: Debconf or not debconf

2003-07-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 08:53:57PM -0400, Joe Drew wrote: Joey Hess has mentioned, and I agree (see 199722), that debconf notes should really be named (and should always be interpreted as) warnings. Huh. I thought it was supposed to be even stricter than that; errors only. E.g.: Template:

Package Moscow ML and HOL

2003-07-03 Thread ZHAO Wei
I intend to package Moscow ML and later HOL theorem prover for Debian. This is not a fromal ITP because I'm not eager to prevent others from doing the same. :) I won't compete with you too. The purpose of this mail is that I want to know if there is already these packages somewhere and why

Re: Gnome2 in sarge

2003-07-03 Thread Mark Howard
On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 13:21:26 -0300, Daniel Ruoso wrote: I didn't see any noise in debian-devel see debian-gtk-gnome -- .''`. Mark Howard : :' : `. `' http://www.tildemh.com `- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Bug#199642: xpilot: French translation of the debconf templates

2003-07-03 Thread Denis Barbier
On Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 06:12:02PM -0300, Ben Armstrong wrote: [...] Now I'm left at a loss as to what to do with the file. I want the half-finished work to remain in the package so that someone picking up the package and customizing it (or in future, adopting it, should I decide to ever

Re: Package Moscow ML and HOL

2003-07-03 Thread Ralf Treinen
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 02:02:26PM +0800, ZHAO Wei wrote: I intend to package Moscow ML and later HOL theorem prover for Debian. This is not a fromal ITP because I'm not eager to prevent others from doing the same. :) I won't compete with you too. I remember vaguely that there used to be a

RE: debootstrapping and sysvinit

2003-07-03 Thread Julian Mehnle
Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: Julian Mehnle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: And you think an attitude like this is going to make me work harder? For *you* ?? Get real. Regardless of whether it was right to NMU sysvinit without you being notified: I get the

Re: [devel] Debconf or not debconf

2003-07-03 Thread Christoph Berg
Re: Re: [devel] Debconf or not debconf [Jim Penny [EMAIL PROTECTED], Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 10:50:29AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED]] It breaks 100% of stunnel installations. The old stunnel was command line oriented, the current one is configuration file oriented. It would be very difficult to

Re: Bug#199642: xpilot: French translation of the debconf templates

2003-07-03 Thread Martin Quinson
On Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 06:12:02PM -0300, Ben Armstrong wrote: Now I'm left at a loss as to what to do with the file. I want the half-finished work to remain in the package so that someone picking up the package and customizing it (or in future, adopting it, should I decide to ever give it

Re: Debconf or not debconf

2003-07-03 Thread Herbert Xu
Joe Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2003-07-02 at 17:23, Herbert Xu wrote: I'd prefer no interaction at all during installation. I'm perfectly able to read documenation thank you very much. Happily, the noninteractive debconf frontend exists. And getting hundreds of emails after a

Re: Ein paar Fragen zu meinem Mailserver

2003-07-03 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Kai Timmer wrote: Stelle ich nun die Zeile mydomain = kaitimmer.local funktioniert das Schon mal daran gedacht, das local.kaitimmer.de zu nennen? Dann sollte es dem Relay egal sein. Gruss T. pgpQd9BwbMqix.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: inews path question

2003-07-03 Thread Michael Banck
On Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 12:30:02AM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: Hopefully, Debian Policy (and FHS) will allow the use of libexec some day... Debian's not a BSD, regardless of the kernel that it's running on. AFAIK, /libexec is used by the theoretical GNU system as well. Michael

Re: Concurrent CLEAN Package

2003-07-03 Thread Vincent Zweije
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 01:57:54PM +0800, ZHAO Wei wrote: || Last I mentioned my intention to package CLEAN for Debian. Someone || (Sorry I lost your email.) replied me that there is already a CLEAN || package for Debian. But I can't find the package from apt-cache. I || thought it was still

Re: Concurrent CLEAN Package

2003-07-03 Thread ZHAO Wei
On Thu, 2003-07-03 at 14:51, Vincent Zweije wrote: Are you on the Clean mailing list? If not, go to http://www.cs.kun.nl/~clean/. You can ask on the mailing list about debianising Clean. I'm subscribing right now. Thanks for the reminder. It will not go into main because of license

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2003-07-03 Thread sinoagent
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Re: Package Moscow ML and HOL

2003-07-03 Thread ZHAO Wei
On Thu, 2003-07-03 at 14:47, Ralf Treinen wrote: I remember vaguely that there used to be a licence problem with Moscow ML. What is its exact licence now? Under the mosml/copyright directory, there are three license files: 1. gpl2 - which is exactly a copy of GPL v2 2. copyright.att - which

Re: Package Moscow ML and HOL

2003-07-03 Thread Micha Politowski
On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 17:36:30 +0800, ZHAO Wei wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-03 at 14:47, Ralf Treinen wrote: I remember vaguely that there used to be a licence problem with Moscow ML. What is its exact licence now? Under the mosml/copyright directory, there are three license files: 1. gpl2 -

Re: Debconf or not debconf

2003-07-03 Thread Mark Brown
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 01:24:54AM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: Somehow, you managed to miss the point entirely in your first line, *even though* you restated it later. I don't miss the point at all. You have assumed that it is ok to break the user system and warn people about it. It is

Re: Package Moscow ML and HOL

2003-07-03 Thread ZHAO Wei
On Thu, 2003-07-03 at 17:53, Micha Politowski wrote: It looks like a) possible GPL incompatibility - so no distribution would be possible at all, b) even if not, no paying distribution means non-free IMHO. I see your point. But I think it should be resolvable. Since that part of the clause

Why doesn't libsidplay enter testing?

2003-07-03 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
Hi! Yes, I've read the testing page with the FAQ and both the testing_excuses and testing_output, but I can't see the reason why libsidplay doesn't enter testing. The following packages depend on it: xmms-sid, mp3blaster, xsidplay, sidplay-base (from the same source) and gst-plugins.

Bug#199837: ITP: clustalw-mpi -- MPI-distributed global sequence alignment with ClustalW

2003-07-03 Thread Steffen Moeller
Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2003-07-03 Severity: wishlist * Package name: clustalw-mpi Version : 0.13 Upstream Author : Kuo-Bin Li [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.bii.a-star.edu.sg/~kuobin/clustalg/clustalw-mpi-0.13.tar.gz * License : non-free

Re: Why doesn't libsidplay enter testing?

2003-07-03 Thread Björn Stenberg
Gerfried Fuchs wrote: Yes, I've read the testing page with the FAQ and both the testing_excuses and testing_output, but I can't see the reason why libsidplay doesn't enter testing. I've written a little script that tries to answer precisely this type of question. You can run it here:

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-03 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña] (For those who are not aware of this issue, please read #92810) There seem to be someone believing that standard documents should be treated as software. Standards are not software. Standards do not improve if everyone is allowed to modify them and publish the

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-03 Thread David B Harris
On 03 Jul 2003 13:00:47 +0200 Petter Reinholdtsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña] (For those who are not aware of this issue, please read #92810) There seem to be someone believing that standard documents should be treated as software. Standards are not

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-03 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
(Please don't CC: me, I'm in the list) On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 01:00:47PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña] (For those who are not aware of this issue, please read #92810) There seem to be someone believing that standard documents should be treated as

Re: Debconf or not debconf

2003-07-03 Thread Joe Drew
On Thursday, July 3, 2003, at 02:05 AM, Branden Robinson wrote: On Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 08:53:57PM -0400, Joe Drew wrote: Joey Hess has mentioned, and I agree (see 199722), that debconf notes should really be named (and should always be interpreted as) warnings. Huh. I thought it was supposed to

Re: Debconf or not debconf

2003-07-03 Thread Andreas Metzler
Julien LEMOINE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 01 July 2003 22:51, Andreas Metzler wrote: Julien LEMOINE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I received a bug report on stunnel package from an user [1] that complained about the fact that I didn't warning about the new /etc/default/stunnel file

No crc32 package in Debian?

2003-07-03 Thread Xavier Roche
I was looking for the very simple crc32 binary to compute checksums for files, and couldn't find it. There is a crc32 perl lib, but no crc32 package. I know that md5 (or even sha-160) hash fingerprints are better, but in many cases (like tar archives on tapes, or ftp files) you have only

Re: No crc32 package in Debian?

2003-07-03 Thread Benjamin Drieu
Xavier Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was looking for the very simple crc32 binary to compute checksums for files, and couldn't find it. There is a crc32 perl lib, but no crc32 package. I know that md5 (or even sha-160) hash fingerprints are better, but in many cases (like tar archives on

Bug#199864: ITP: kahakai -- a highly customisable and scriptable window manager

2003-07-03 Thread Rob Weir
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-07-03 Severity: wishlist * Package name: kahakai Version : 0.2.1 Upstream Author : The Kahakai Team * URL : http://kahakai.sf.net/ * License : GPL, v2 or later Description : a highly customisable and

Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages

2003-07-03 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 00:36:10 +0200, Michael Banck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jun 28, 2003 at 07:57:55AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote: So what is the single command to apt-get install all the GNU versions of everything? Just create and maintain a meta-package that Conflicts/Depends on the

Re: Debconf or not debconf

2003-07-03 Thread Marc Haber
On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 19:52:10 +1000, Herbert Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I for one am sick and tired of useless Debconf messages popping up during installation or being sent to me via email when I'm upgrading hundreds of machines automatically. Just go ahead and pre-seed your debconf database

eicar.com installer in Debian, and pre-upload interface to ftpmaster

2003-07-03 Thread Marc Haber
Hi, In the past years, I have done quite a bit of work with virus scanners on Linux. The company I used to work for has funded most of amavis-ng development before being borged. In the past years, I have found it annoying that the eicar anti-virus testfile is not available as aptable Debian

Re: Why doesn't libsidplay enter testing?

2003-07-03 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 11:37:06AM +0200, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: Yes, I've read the testing page with the FAQ and both the testing_excuses and testing_output, but I can't see the reason why libsidplay doesn't enter testing. It can (or at least it could a few days ago), it just needs a manual

Re: No crc32 package in Debian?

2003-07-03 Thread Xavier Roche
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 04:25:25PM +0200, Benjamin Drieu wrote: Doesn't cksfv does the job ? Absolutely - I did not find it in the first time, as the primary goal was to generate sfv files (but you can get the CRC inside it)

Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages

2003-07-03 Thread James Troup
Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 00:36:10 +0200, Michael Banck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jun 28, 2003 at 07:57:55AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote: So what is the single command to apt-get install all the GNU versions of everything? Just create and maintain a

Re: Kernel build dependencies for prepackaged modules

2003-07-03 Thread Herbert Xu
David Z Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My kernel module packages (lm-sensors and i2c) both build-depend on kernel-build-2.4.20-1, which provides enough bits to build packages (as far as I can tell, successfully). Problem is, evidence suggests that kernel-build-2.4.20-1 is i386-only. I'm

Re: Why doesn't libsidplay enter testing?

2003-07-03 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 12:50:50PM +0200, Björn Stenberg wrote: Gerfried Fuchs wrote: Yes, I've read the testing page with the FAQ and both the testing_excuses and testing_output, but I can't see the reason why libsidplay doesn't enter testing. I've written a little script that tries to

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-03 Thread Herbert Xu
Petter Reinholdtsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There seem to be someone believing that standard documents should be treated as software. Standards are not software. Standards do not improve if everyone is allowed to modify them and publish the modified version as an updated version of the

Re: eicar.com installer in Debian, and pre-upload interface to ftpmaster

2003-07-03 Thread Thomas Wana
Am Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2003 16:51 schrieb Marc Haber: [...] Additionally, I would like to seriously propose establishing a pre-upload interface to ftpmaster so that a developer could learn that he is writing a package pending rejection after upload _before_ spending time on building that

Re: Debconf or not debconf

2003-07-03 Thread David Weinehall
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 12:27:24PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: Joe Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2003-07-02 at 17:23, Herbert Xu wrote: I'd prefer no interaction at all during installation. I'm perfectly able to read documenation thank you very much. Happily, the noninteractive

Bug#199874: ITP: molmol -- Display and analyze structures of biological macromolecules

2003-07-03 Thread Frank Küster
Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2003-07-03 Severity: wishlist * Package name: molmol Version : 2k.2.0 Upstream Author : Reto Koradi [EMAIL PROTECTED] et al. * URL : http://www.mol.biol.ethz.ch/wuthrich/software/molmol/ * License : non-free (academic type

Re: Debconf or not debconf

2003-07-03 Thread Jim Penny
On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 22:25:26 +0200 Thomas Viehmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Penny wrote: Now, this breakage happens to be somewhat benign, in that without configuration, it does not function at all. But it is also somewhat difficult to test for many uses. Further, when the

Re: Package Moscow ML and HOL

2003-07-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 05:36:30PM +0800, ZHAO Wei wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-03 at 14:47, Ralf Treinen wrote: I remember vaguely that there used to be a licence problem with Moscow ML. What is its exact licence now? Under the mosml/copyright directory, there are three license files: 1.

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 01:00:47PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: There seem to be someone believing that standard documents should be treated as software. That would be clause #1 of the Debian Social Contract. -- G. Branden Robinson| Organized religion is a sham and a

Re: eicar.com installer in Debian, and pre-upload interface to ftpmaster

2003-07-03 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 03 Jul 2003, Marc Haber wrote: Since eicar.com has no license and eicar doesn't seem to be interested in clarifying its license, inclusion of the eicar test string in Debian proper is out of the question, even for non-free. Ick. They are included in the amavisd-new _source_ packages.

Bug#199881: ITP: rhyme -- console based rhyming dictionary

2003-07-03 Thread Stephen Stafford
Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2003-07-03 Severity: wishlist Package name: rhyme Version : 0.9 Upstream Author : Brian (tuffy) Langenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL : http://sourceforge.net/projects/rhyme License : GPL Description : console based

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-03 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jul 03, Petter Reinholdtsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe this whole case of RFC standards are not confirming to The Debian Free Software Guidelines display a complete lack of understanding of the value of standards, and should be rejected. Standards are not software, nor software

Re: Why doesn't libsidplay enter testing?

2003-07-03 Thread Björn Stenberg
Gerfried Fuchs wrote: Thanks for the great script. It shows me that the testing script seems to be buggy, because: - Updating sidplay-base makes 1 packages uninstallable on alpha: sidplay-base Uhm, that is somehow nonsense. How can an update of a package make itself

Re: Bug#199874: ITP: molmol -- Display and analyze structures of biological macromolecules

2003-07-03 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 3 Jul 2003, Frank Küster wrote: * License : non-free (academic type use me, but cite men in publications) The license has a statement: This package may only be bundled in other software packages with the explicit permission of the copyright holders. Please make sure

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-03 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 10:51:15AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: That would be clause #1 of the Debian Social Contract. Where do you draw the line between software, data and documentation? I get the impression that you are reading Debian Will Remain 100% Free Software to mean everything

Re: Debconf or not debconf

2003-07-03 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Herbert Xu [Thu, Jul 03 2003, 12:27:24PM]: I'd prefer no interaction at all during installation. I'm perfectly able to read documenation thank you very much. Happily, the noninteractive debconf frontend exists. And getting hundreds of emails after a mass upgrade? No

Debconf or not debconf : Conclusion

2003-07-03 Thread Julien LEMOINE
Hello, First of all, I present my excuses for having started a new debate about debconf in debian-devel. Secondly, to reply to every person who thinks I should have created a more user friendly migration who did not break backwards compatibility. My answer is that I

Re: No crc32 package in Debian?

2003-07-03 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Xavier Roche [Thu, Jul 03 2003, 04:15:22PM]: I was looking for the very simple crc32 binary to compute checksums for files, and couldn't find it. There is a crc32 perl lib, but no crc32 package. I know that md5 (or even sha-160) hash fingerprints are better, but in many

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-03 Thread Sebastian Rittau
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 01:00:47PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: There seem to be someone believing that standard documents should be treated as software. Standards are not software. Standards do not improve if everyone is allowed to modify them and publish the modified version as an

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-03 Thread Adam Heath
On Thu, 3 Jul 2003, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: software n : (computer science) written programs or procedures or rules and associated documentation pertaining to the operation of a computer system and that are stored in read/write

Re: Debconf or not debconf : Conclusion

2003-07-03 Thread Sebastian Rittau
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 04:17:50PM +0200, Julien LEMOINE wrote: Finally, since there is not really a policy about when to use debconf, I will respect the DFSG [1] and add a debconf warning [2] in the stunnel package. [...] [1] 4. Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software As a

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-03 Thread Philippe Troin
Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Jul 03, Petter Reinholdtsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe this whole case of RFC standards are not confirming to The Debian Free Software Guidelines display a complete lack of understanding of the value of standards, and should be rejected.

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-03 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Thursday, Jul 3, 2003, at 07:00 US/Eastern, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña] (For those who are not aware of this issue, please read #92810) There seem to be someone believing that standard documents should be treated as software. Standards are not software. If

Bug#199894: ITP: libtododb -- library that provides access to a to-do list database

2003-07-03 Thread Moray Allan
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-07-03 Severity: wishlist * Package name: libtododb Version : 0.02 Upstream Authors: Philip Blundell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Luis Oliveira [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://gpe.handhelds.org/ * License

Re: Debconf or not debconf

2003-07-03 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Marc Haber wrote: On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 19:52:10 +1000, Herbert Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I for one am sick and tired of useless Debconf messages popping up during installation or being sent to me via email when I'm upgrading hundreds of machines automatically. Just go ahead and pre-seed your

Sorry.

2003-07-03 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Sorry, I will try to learn to reply to the correct list. (Incidentally, on my first attempt, I claimed that I will learn but wrote only to myself...) Cheers T. pgpqgdnAkSlw7.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: eicar.com installer in Debian, and pre-upload interface to ftpmaster

2003-07-03 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 04:51:49PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: In the past years, I have found it annoying that the eicar anti-virus testfile is not available as aptable Debian package. Why is this annoying? The virus cannot be detected without it? I find it disturbingly impolite to say sorry,

Bug#199896: ITP: libdm -- display migration support for GTK

2003-07-03 Thread Moray Allan
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-07-03 Severity: wishlist * Package name: libdm Version : 0.25 Upstream Author : Philip Blundell [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://gpe.handhelds.org/ * License : GPL Description : display migration support

Debian XML Catalogs (was Re: OASIS Membership: was ...)

2003-07-03 Thread mark
Quoting Jochen Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 05:13:18PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, the Debian implementation of XML catalogs will very likely be included as one example in the OASIS implementation guide for XML Catalogs. So we _are_ making a difference.

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 03:38:18PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Jul 03, Petter Reinholdtsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe this whole case of RFC standards are not confirming to The Debian Free Software Guidelines display a complete lack of understanding of the value of standards,

NEW packages policy.

2003-07-03 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Hi. (My apologies if -devel is the wrong place to put this - hints for better locations are appreciated.) While I understand that new packages need to be checked, I wondered whether this rule could be relaxed somewhat for soversion-changing of libraries (i.e. the advance from lib(.*)\d+ to

Re: Why doesn't libsidplay enter testing?

2003-07-03 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 01:21:53PM +0200, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 12:50:50PM +0200, Bj?rn Stenberg wrote: Gerfried Fuchs wrote: Yes, I've read the testing page with the FAQ and both the testing_excuses and testing_output, but I can't see the reason why libsidplay

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-03 Thread Cameron Patrick
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 12:35:06PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: | So, what other non-DFSG-free stuff is it silly to ban? Netscape | Navigator? Adobe Acrobat Reader? Of course not. They're software. RFCs aren't software, and so applying the Debian Free /Software/ Guidelines to them seems a

Bug#199897: ITP: gpe-filemanager -- file manager for GPE

2003-07-03 Thread Moray Allan
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-07-03 Severity: wishlist * Package name: gpe-filemanager Version : 0.09 Upstream Author : Damien Tanner [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://gpe.handhelds.org/ * License : GPL (version 2 or later) Description

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-03 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeu 03/07/2003 à 13:00, Petter Reinholdtsen a écrit : There seem to be someone believing that standard documents should be treated as software. Standards are not software. Standards do not improve if everyone is allowed to modify them and publish the modified version as an updated

Bug#199899: ITP: gpe-taskmanager -- lists windows and kills errant programs

2003-07-03 Thread Moray Allan
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-07-03 Severity: wishlist * Package name: gpe-taskmanager Version : 0.13 Upstream Author : Philip Blundell [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://gpe.handhelds.org/ * License : GPL (version 2 or later) Description

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-03 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 06:01:08PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Or else, if the standards are not free, let them in non-free. We're not going to let non-free documents enter main just because they are called RFC's or W3C recommendations. Yet we let them in because they are called

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-03 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 01:46:11AM +0800, Cameron Patrick wrote: RFCs aren't software, and so applying the Debian Free /Software/ Guidelines to them seems a little odd. But...but...what if you want to make your own RFC 2661 by embracing and extending the existing one, and redistribute it to

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-03 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 10:54:00AM -0400, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: If they are not software, then under clause one of the Social Contract, they don't belong in debian. This has been debated several thousand times on -legal... I don't recall a consensus that software documentation does not

Re: Kernel build dependencies for prepackaged modules

2003-07-03 Thread David Z Maze
Herbert Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How many Debian users are there that will use lm-sensors and i2c modules for a prepackaged kernel on a non-i386 architecture? I've had at least one user ask me about support for powerpc, which is the big thing that's driving me to ask. If it makes you

Re: Debconf or not debconf

2003-07-03 Thread Joey Hess
Herbert Xu wrote: And getting hundreds of emails after a mass upgrade? No thanks. Admin-Email The email address Debconf should send mail to if it needs to make sure that the admin has seen an important note.

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-03 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 12:14:49PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: On Thu, 3 Jul 2003, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: software n : (computer science) written programs or procedures or rules and associated documentation pertaining to the operation of a

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-03 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 06:23:14PM +0200, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: That would be clause #1 of the Debian Social Contract. Where do you draw the line between software, data and documentation? I get the impression that you are reading Debian Will Remain 100% Free Software to mean

Re: Application

2003-07-03 Thread nordmann
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Re: Debconf or not debconf : Conclusion

2003-07-03 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Hi. Julien LEMOINE wrote: First of all, I present my excuses for having started a new debate about debconf in debian-devel. But then, the last one didn't favor your opinion. Secondly, to reply to every person who thinks I should have created a more user friendly migration who

Re: Debconf or not debconf : Conclusion

2003-07-03 Thread Bas Zoetekouw
Hi Sebastian! You wrote: On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 04:17:50PM +0200, Julien LEMOINE wrote: Finally, since there is not really a policy about when to use debconf, I will respect the DFSG [1] and add a debconf warning [2] in the stunnel package. [...] [1] 4. Our Priorities are

Re: Why doesn't libsidplay enter testing?

2003-07-03 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 06:03:38PM +0200, Björn Stenberg wrote: Gerfried Fuchs wrote: Uhm, that is somehow nonsense. How can an update of a package make itself uninstallable? What's the reasoning behind it? Because it breaks testing rule #5: The operation of installing the package into

Processed: reassign general

2003-07-03 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: reassign 199197 general Bug#199197: bsdgames debian X menu entries depend on gnome-terminal, not in testing (Sarge) Bug reassigned from package `bsdgames' to `general'. thanks Stopping processing here. Please contact me if you need assistance.

Re: Why doesn't libsidplay enter testing?

2003-07-03 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Thursday, Jul 3, 2003, at 07:21 US/Eastern, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: Uhm, that is somehow nonsense. How can an update of a package make itself uninstallable? What's the reasoning behind it? Easily. Example: Package: foo Version: 1.0.6-4 Depends: libc6 = 2.2.0 vs.

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-03 Thread Cameron Patrick
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 06:20:02PM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote: | | When the program is run, it gets put in read/write memory. | So embedded firmware running from an EPROM doesn't count as a program then? CP.

Re: Why doesn't libsidplay enter testing?

2003-07-03 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 01:49:28PM -0400, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: On Thursday, Jul 3, 2003, at 07:21 US/Eastern, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: Uhm, that is somehow nonsense. How can an update of a package make itself uninstallable? What's the reasoning behind it? Easily. Example: Package:

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-03 Thread Joshua Haberman
* Branden Robinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 03:38:18PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Jul 03, Petter Reinholdtsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe this whole case of RFC standards are not confirming to The Debian Free Software Guidelines display a complete

Re: Debconf or not debconf

2003-07-03 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Jim Penny dijo [Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 06:34:53PM -0400]: My original argument stands: we should not be telling our users that we broke their system, because we shouldn't be breaking it in the first place. In this instance, it sounds to me like a bout of upstream bogosity has resulted in a

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