Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?

2011-04-05 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Monday 04 April 2011 18.04:20 Luk Claes wrote: The most obvious reason to not degrade bash to Priority: important is obviously that one needs to declare a dependency on bash when it's used in a package. Which means quite some packages will need to be changed. Do you have any kind of

Re: Back to technical discussion? Yes! (was: network-manager as default? No!)

2011-04-05 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org [110404 14:05]: It seems to be a common belief between some developers that users should have to read dozens of pages of documentation before attempting to do anything. You mix two things up here: Almost noone demands a system that is only configurable after

Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?

2011-04-05 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes: On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 06:04:20PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: bash is not the default system shell anymore. It's now only the default user shell. As such it is not required for a sysadmin to boot and install software. Besides that some users would like

Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?

2011-04-05 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Lars Wirzenius l...@liw.fi writes: * We can perhaps change debhelper to automatically add the dependency, if it is missing. Since most packages use debhelper, this might transition most of the packages automatically. I've beend thinking about this a while back when I had

Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?

2011-04-05 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Luk Claes l...@debian.org writes: What about Roger's suggestion to have the root account passwordless and locked with sudo access? Are there other drawbacks to that proposal (is booting in single user mode covered for instance?)? Then a fsck failure won't give you a shell because you can't

Re: Back to technical discussion? Yes!

2011-04-05 Thread Brett Parker
On 05 Apr 00:55, Stanislav Maslovski wrote: On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 10:03:12PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: What I do not understand is WHY the Debian Project can not do an install in two steps. I mean installing the bare base using ifupdown and if the user choose the Desktop-Task

Re: System users: removing them

2011-04-05 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Lars Wirzenius Hi, | I think this would be a good point to have a discussion and set policy | on how to deal with this. The policy manual seems to currently be silent | about removing users created by the package at installation time. | | * We can decide that packages may not remove

Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?

2011-04-05 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Carsten Hey cars...@debian.org writes: Before bash or dash could be made non-essential in a clean way, there are IMHO various things not mentioned up to now in this thread to fix: * Make dash conform to POSIX. dash/sid is not detected as being a POSIX shell by autotools, which leads to

Re: System users: removing them

2011-04-05 Thread Russ Allbery
Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no writes: - Most or all system accounts are locked and unable to be used for login. Perhaps policy should say that user accounts belonging to a package must be locked when the package is removed? Speaking of that, fixing Bug#274229 and the merged bugs for

Bug#620939: ITP: crafty-bitmaps -- bitmap images for crafty chess game annotation mode

2011-04-05 Thread Oliver Korff
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Oliver Korff o...@xynyx.de * Package name: crafty-bitmaps Version : 1.0 Upstream Author : George Barrett grbar...@eecs.umich.edu * URL : ftp://ftp.cis.uab.edu/pub/hyatt/book/bitmaps.tgz * License : GPL-2.0+ Programming

Re: Back to technical discussion? Yes!

2011-04-05 Thread Stanislav Maslovski
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 07:08:19AM +0100, Brett Parker wrote: On 05 Apr 00:55, Stanislav Maslovski wrote: On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 10:03:12PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: What I do not understand is WHY the Debian Project can not do an install in two steps. I mean installing the bare

Re: Back to technical discussion? Yes!

2011-04-05 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Stanislav Maslovski | AFAICT, the main concerns with the current ifupdown-based installation | process is that its suport of wireless networks is very limited: only | WEP is supported, and there are problems with lost connections. I am | pretty sure that these problems may be addressed

Re: Back to technical discussion? Yes! (was: network-manager as default? No!)

2011-04-05 Thread Rens Houben
In other news for Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 08:15:55AM +0200, Bernhard R. Link has been seen typing: But what many people[1] want is that you can make it work if you read some dozen pages of documentation. Personally, what I want is a setup that does not drop all active network interfaces during a

Re: MBF: Getting rid of unneeded *.la / emptying dependency_libs

2011-04-05 Thread Neil Williams
On Mon, 4 Apr 2011 16:12:42 -0700 Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 07:33:24PM +0100, Neil Williams wrote: Lintian already checks that *.la files don't contain the problematic dependency_libs setting. This apparently just isn't true. I could have sworn

Bug#620943: ITP: evtest -- utility to monitor input device events

2011-04-05 Thread Stephen Kitt
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Stephen Kitt st...@sk2.org * Package name: evtest Version : 1.27 Upstream Author : Peter Hutterer peter.hutte...@redhat.com * URL : http://cgit.freedesktop.org/evtest/ * License : GPLv2 Programming Lang: C

Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?

2011-04-05 Thread Bastien ROUCARIES
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net wrote: On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 05:59:51PM +, Clint Adams wrote: On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 06:04:20PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: What do others think of moving bash to important (required and important are part of the base

Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?

2011-04-05 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ma, 2011-04-04 at 20:32 +0100, Lars Wirzenius wrote: I happened to have access to a idle-ish fastish machine with a fresh-ish Debian mirror, so I wrote a script to unpack all binaries (for sid/main amd64), and then another script to grep for bash scripts (actually a pair of scripts). With

Re: network-manager as default? No!

2011-04-05 Thread Faidon Liambotis
Jon Dowland wrote: On Sun, Apr 03, 2011 at 07:22:47PM +0300, Faidon Liambotis wrote: It also can't do VLANs (.1q), bridges, bonds and all possible permutations of the above. I'd speculate that it also wouldn't be able to do things like 1k (or more) interfaces. It also doesn't support hooks to

Re: Back to technical discussion? Yes!

2011-04-05 Thread Stanislav Maslovski
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 09:10:47AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: ]] Stanislav Maslovski | AFAICT, the main concerns with the current ifupdown-based installation | process is that its suport of wireless networks is very limited: only | WEP is supported, and there are problems with lost

Re: dh_shlibdeps warnings concerning undefined OpenMP symbols

2011-04-05 Thread Dmitry Katsubo
On 31.03.2011 22:16, Jakub Wilk wrote: You do need -lgomp. You normally don't (need to) link to gomp explicitly. My wild guess is: Dmitry used -fopenmp while compiling *.o, but not when linking the shared library. Exactly! Thank you, Jakub, for nice guess. AC_OPENMP() macro documentation

Re: Back to technical discussion? Yes!

2011-04-05 Thread Stanislav Maslovski
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 12:09:42PM +0400, Stanislav Maslovski wrote: On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 09:10:47AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: ]] Stanislav Maslovski | AFAICT, the main concerns with the current ifupdown-based installation | process is that its suport of wireless networks is very

Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?

2011-04-05 Thread Roger Leigh
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 09:36:14AM +0200, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote: On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net wrote: On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 05:59:51PM +, Clint Adams wrote: On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 06:04:20PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: What do others think of moving

Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?

2011-04-05 Thread Andreas Rottmann
Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de writes: Lars Wirzenius l...@liw.fi writes: * We can perhaps change debhelper to automatically add the dependency, if it is missing. Since most packages use debhelper, this might transition most of the packages automatically. I've

Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?

2011-04-05 Thread Carsten Hey
* Guillem Jover [2011-04-05 06:19 +0200]: On Tue, 2011-04-05 at 01:08:19 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: This appears to open up any accounts that have been deliberately disabled by setting their shell to a nonexistent path. I know that's a dumb way to disable an account, but that doesn't make

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-04-05 Thread Bjørn Mork
Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk writes: On Sat, 2011-04-02 at 23:07 +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes: Le jeudi 31 mars 2011 à 09:25 +0200, Vincent Danjean a écrit : Martin F. Krafft started to implement a replacement of ifupdown that is better designed.

Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?

2011-04-05 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
On 05/04/11 04:52, Russ Allbery wrote: dash doesn't support $LINENO, which is why it's not detected by Autoconf. The reason why it doesn't support $LINENO (it's intentional; we had a patch to add it that was then removed) is that the configure.ac files of many, many packages contain bashisms

Re: Proposed pre-depends addition: all multiarched libs - multiarch-support

2011-04-05 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sat, Apr 02, 2011 at 12:36:05AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: Specifically, the plan is that any package in wheezy shipping a runtime library in a multiarch directory should declare a Pre-Depends on the metapackage 'multiarch-support'. And the dependency would be added by either dpkg-dev,

Re: Proposed pre-depends addition: all multiarched libs - multiarch-support

2011-04-05 Thread Simon McVittie
On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 at 11:12:54 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: On Sat, Apr 02, 2011 at 12:36:05AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: Specifically, the plan is that any package in wheezy shipping a runtime library in a multiarch directory should declare a Pre-Depends on the metapackage

Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?

2011-04-05 Thread Carsten Hey
* Steve Langasek [2011-04-04 19:37 -0700]: On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 02:00:36AM +0200, Carsten Hey wrote: Before bash or dash could be made non-essential in a clean way, there are IMHO various things not mentioned up to now in this thread to fix: * Fix #428189, either by adapting the policy

Re: Proposed pre-depends addition: all multiarched libs - multiarch-support

2011-04-05 Thread Neil Williams
On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 11:12:29 +0100 Simon McVittie s...@debian.org wrote: * lintian should warn (error?) if a binary package has libraries in a multiarch directory and doesn't pre-depend on multiarch-support * lintian should perhaps also warn if a package uses debhelper compat 9 and

Re: Flaming as a way to reach technical quality? No!

2011-04-05 Thread Bjørn Mork
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes: Yes, a user can do anything with ifconfig if his time has no value. I am happily using network manager on my laptop, because unlike ifconfig it's easy to configure for use on new wireless networks. I am not happy that network manager bypasses

Re: Bug#620808: ITP: payyans -- A python utility to convert between ASCII and Unicode.

2011-04-05 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Tue, 2011-04-05 at 09:41 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote: And we already have the 'iconv' and 'recode' commands to do conversion between arbitrary character encodings. These are not character encodings, but specific

Re: Proposed pre-depends addition: all multiarched libs - multiarch-support

2011-04-05 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Tue, 2011-04-05 at 11:25 +0100, Neil Williams wrote: [...] Lintian error (and an ftpmaster REJECT) if a binary package (not just a library) has multiarch paths without debhelper compat 9. (This protects against uploading packages converted with tools like dpkg-cross -M -A (= 2.6.3).) [...]

Re: Proposed pre-depends addition: all multiarched libs - multiarch-support

2011-04-05 Thread Neil Williams
On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 11:47:01 +0100 Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote: On Tue, 2011-04-05 at 11:25 +0100, Neil Williams wrote: [...] Lintian error (and an ftpmaster REJECT) if a binary package (not just a library) has multiarch paths without debhelper compat 9. (This protects

Bug#620956: ITP: libdata-amf-perl -- Perl module for serialize / deserialize AMF data

2011-04-05 Thread TANIGUCHI Takaki
Package: wnpp Owner: tak...@debian.org Severity: wishlist * Package name: libdata-amf-perl Version : 0.09-1 Upstream Author : Daisuke Murase types...@cpan.org * URL or Web page : http://search.cpan.org/dist/Data-AMF/ * License : Perl Description : Perl module for

Re: Bug#620943: ITP: evtest -- utility to monitor input device events

2011-04-05 Thread Julien Cristau
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 09:41:13 +0200, Stephen Kitt wrote: * Package name: evtest Version : 1.27 Upstream Author : Peter Hutterer peter.hutte...@redhat.com * URL : http://cgit.freedesktop.org/evtest/ * License : GPLv2 Programming Lang: C Description

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-04-05 Thread Andrew O. Shadoura
Hello, On Mon, 4 Apr 2011 11:56:15 +0100 Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote: Does this imply that fixing ifupdown to query the state(s) via netlink instead of relying on state files would solve most of the problems? I expect so, but it would be a very big 'fix'. Well, ifupdown

replacement of merkel services in DDPortfolio

2011-04-05 Thread Jan Dittberner
Hi, I changed an entry in the ddportfolioservice [1] to reflect the new location to lookup DD assigned debian.net domain names (Paul: thanks for the Wiki edit). There are some more merkel URLs that stopped working. Do you know whether there are replacements on other Debian hosts? The URLs in

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-04-05 Thread Andrew O. Shadoura
Hello, On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 14:16:30 +0300 Andrew O. Shadoura bugzi...@tut.by wrote: Another thing is that they may be ignored when the interface isn't really 'up', as per kernel. I mean, isn't up when doing ifup, of isn't down when doing ifdown. -- WBR, Andrew signature.asc Description:

Re: replacement of merkel services in DDPortfolio

2011-04-05 Thread Julien Cristau
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 13:22:29 +0200, Jan Dittberner wrote: * MIA database information ssh merkel.debian.org /srv/qa.debian.org/mia/mia-query ja...@debian.org s/merkel/qa/ * Group membership information ssh merkel.debian.org id jandd works on any debian.org machine. Cheers, Julien

Re: time based freezes

2011-04-05 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 12:12:09PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: On Monday, April 04, 2011 12:05:09 PM Neil McGovern wrote: On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 08:38:18AM +0200, Carsten Hey wrote: One thing that the release team already is improving is communication, [snip] The other thing

Re: Back to technical discussion? Yes!

2011-04-05 Thread Ben Armstrong
On 04/05/2011 05:21 AM, Stanislav Maslovski wrote: On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 12:09:42PM +0400, Stanislav Maslovski wrote: On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 09:10:47AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: ]] Stanislav Maslovski d-i doesn't use ifupdown, it uses netcfg. Hm, okay, I was pretty sure J.M. at some

Re: replacement of merkel services in DDPortfolio

2011-04-05 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, 2011-04-05 at 13:22 +0200, Jan Dittberner wrote: I changed an entry in the ddportfolioservice [1] to reflect the new location to lookup DD assigned debian.net domain names (Paul: thanks for the Wiki edit). There are some more merkel URLs that stopped working. Do you know whether

Bug#620957: general: Would you be so kind to include Frandom in the Debian Repositories?

2011-04-05 Thread Ruben
Package: general Severity: wishlist Hello. I would like to see Frandom in the Debian repositories. Frandom is a kernel module for pseudo-random data generation, much as random and urandom, but works incredibly fast. It is currently unmantained. However, is still usefull. You can have a look in

Re: replacement of merkel services in DDPortfolio

2011-04-05 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2011-04-05, Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.org wrote: On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 13:22:29 +0200, Jan Dittberner wrote: * Group membership information ssh merkel.debian.org id jandd works on any debian.org machine. Only on public/unrestricted hosts. On other hosts you only get a partial

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-04-05 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 02:16:30PM +0300, Andrew O. Shadoura wrote: Hello, On Mon, 4 Apr 2011 11:56:15 +0100 Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote: Does this imply that fixing ifupdown to query the state(s) via netlink instead of relying on state files would solve most of the

Re: Back to technical discussion? Yes! (was: network-manager as default? No!)

2011-04-05 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2011-04-04 17:31:18 +0400, Stanislav Maslovski wrote: On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 05:35:10PM +0530, Josselin Mouette wrote: It seems to be a common belief between some developers that users should have to read dozens of pages of documentation before attempting to do anything. I’m happy

Bug#620957: marked as done (general: Would you be so kind to include Frandom in the Debian Repositories?)

2011-04-05 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Your message dated Tue, 5 Apr 2011 13:32:40 +0100 with message-id 20110405123240.gt2...@decadent.org.uk and subject line Re: Bug#620957: general: Would you be so kind to include Frandom in the Debian Repositories? has caused the Debian Bug report #620957, regarding general: Would you be so kind

Re: Back to technical discussion? Yes! (was: network-manager as default? No!)

2011-04-05 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 02:31:40PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2011-04-04 17:31:18 +0400, Stanislav Maslovski wrote: On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 05:35:10PM +0530, Josselin Mouette wrote: It seems to be a common belief between some developers that users should have to read dozens of pages

Re: time based freezes

2011-04-05 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 04/04/2011 01:15 PM, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: most of the work is done by our upstreams, and by simply telling them we'll freeze PICK_YOUR_MONTH every even/odd year will (in the long term) improve quality of Debian *a lot* more than choosing a random^Wperfect (and different) date for every

Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?

2011-04-05 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Luk Claes l...@debian.org (04/04/2011): The most obvious reason to not degrade bash to Priority: important is obviously that one needs to declare a dependency on bash when it's used in a package. Which means quite some packages will need to be changed. What is the most obvious reason to

Making may not be removed and needed

2011-04-05 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org [110404 19:22]: If login worked consistently in the face of the configured shell going missing (automatically falling back to /bin/sh for root), then I think it would be worthwhile to do the work necessary to remove bash from the essential set. But until

Bug#620980: ITP: libgwibber -- gwibber shared library

2011-04-05 Thread Kartik Mistry
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Kartik Mistry kar...@debian.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Package name: libgwibber Version : 0.1.1 Upstream Author : Ken VanDine ken.vand...@canonical.com * URL : http://launchpad.net/gwibber * License

Processed: Re: Bug#620458: base-files: Please make /var/run world-writable and sticky, like /var/lock and /tmp

2011-04-05 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: reassign 620458 general Bug #620458 [base-files] base-files: Please make /var/run world-writable and sticky, like /var/lock and /tmp Bug reassigned from package 'base-files' to 'general'. Bug No longer marked as found in versions base-files/6.1.

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-04-05 Thread Andrew O. Shadoura
Hello, On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 13:30:53 +0100 Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote: Why is that necessary? So far as I can see, the purpose of the state files is: - Let ifup refuse to reapply a configuration (even if it failed to apply it in the first place) - Allow ifdown to take

Bug#620458: base-files: Please make /var/run world-writable and sticky, like /var/lock and /tmp

2011-04-05 Thread Santiago Vila
reassign 620458 general thanks On Fri, 1 Apr 2011, Josh Triplett wrote: Package: base-files Version: 6.1 Severity: wishlist /tmp and /var/lock currently allow writes by anyone, with the sticky bit set to only allow removal by the owner. Please consider doing the same for /var/run. That

Re: Processed: Re: Bug#620458: base-files: Please make /var/run world-writable and sticky, like /var/lock and /tmp

2011-04-05 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 05.04.2011 17:30, schrieb Debian Bug Tracking System: Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: reassign 620458 general Bug #620458 [base-files] base-files: Please make /var/run world-writable and sticky, like /var/lock and /tmp Bug reassigned from package 'base-files' to

Updating GPG howto (http://keyring.debian.org/creating-key.html)

2011-04-05 Thread Vincent Caron
Hello list, I'm about to generate a new GPG keypair to supplement my old v3 1024R as suggested by Gunnar Wolf as of 2010-09-14 [1] and I was following the documentation on http://keyring.debian.org/creating-key.html . I'm using GnuPG 1.4.11 from my Debian Wheezy, and a few things have

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-04-05 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 06:34:18PM +0300, Andrew O. Shadoura wrote: Hello, On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 13:30:53 +0100 Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote: Why is that necessary? So far as I can see, the purpose of the state files is: - Let ifup refuse to reapply a configuration (even if

Re: Processed: Re: Bug#620458: base-files: Please make /var/run world-writable and sticky, like /var/lock and /tmp

2011-04-05 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Apr 05, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org wrote: Very bad idea imho, I'm strongly against it. The point of /run is not to create a second /tmp, where everyone can write into. Agreed, I really do not want to consider the security implications of a world-writeable {,/var}/run. Programs which

Bug#620458: base-files: Please make /var/run world-writable and sticky, like /var/lock and /tmp

2011-04-05 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
sorry for a blunt follow-up -- wouldn't making /var/run writable by regular mortals ask for security concerns if an attacker starts pre-creating files/pipes trying to steal the communications of daemons spawned by root or just ruin some data on the system by symlinking against root-owned files?

Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?

2011-04-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 03:14:12PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Luk Claes l...@debian.org (04/04/2011): The most obvious reason to not degrade bash to Priority: important is obviously that one needs to declare a dependency on bash when it's used in a package. Which means quite some

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-04-05 Thread Kyle Willmon
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 04:59:02PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: ifdown should not *need* to know how the interface was brought up. And given that many people apparently like ifup because they can change the active configuration without it interfering, it would be a good thing if ifdown could

Re: time based freezes

2011-04-05 Thread Martin Wuertele
* Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de [2011-04-05 15:04]: On 04/04/2011 01:15 PM, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: most of the work is done by our upstreams, and by simply telling them we'll freeze PICK_YOUR_MONTH every even/odd year will (in the long term) improve quality of Debian *a lot* more than

Re: replacement of merkel services in DDPortfolio

2011-04-05 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 05 Apr 2011, Jan Dittberner wrote: I changed an entry in the ddportfolioservice [1] to reflect the new location to lookup DD assigned debian.net domain names (Paul: thanks for the Wiki edit). There are some more merkel URLs that stopped working. Do you know whether there are

Re: Processed: Re: Bug#620458: base-files: Please make /var/run world-writable and sticky, like /var/lock and /tmp

2011-04-05 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 05.04.2011 18:29, schrieb Marco d'Itri: On Apr 05, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org wrote: Very bad idea imho, I'm strongly against it. The point of /run is not to create a second /tmp, where everyone can write into. Agreed, I really do not want to consider the security implications of a

Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?

2011-04-05 Thread Julien Cristau
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 09:41:24 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 03:14:12PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Luk Claes l...@debian.org (04/04/2011): The most obvious reason to not degrade bash to Priority: important is obviously that one needs to declare a dependency on

Re: time based freezes

2011-04-05 Thread Margarita Manterola
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 3:38 AM, Carsten Hey cars...@debian.org wrote:  We released in February 2011 and we want about one and a half year  between a releases and the following freeze, so we freeze in fall  2012. Please, *NEVER* do fall or summer or winter. Remember that Debian is developed

Bug#620458: Processed: Re: Bug#620458: base-files: Please make /var/run world-writable and sticky, like /var/lock and /tmp

2011-04-05 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 05 Apr 2011, Michael Biebl wrote: Am 05.04.2011 17:30, schrieb Debian Bug Tracking System: Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: reassign 620458 general Bug #620458 [base-files] base-files: Please make /var/run world-writable and sticky, like /var/lock and /tmp

dh-make: don't install .la files in -dev library packages

2011-04-05 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
Package: dh-make Severity: wishlist Hi, On 03/04/11 14:57, Mathieu Parent wrote: dh-make 0.58 install .la files by default (/usr/share/debhelper/dh_make/debianl/package-dev.install contains usr/lib/*.la) Should we change this also? Since policy discourages shipping .la files, and there's

Re: Bug#620458: Processed: Re: Bug#620458: base-files: Please make /var/run world-writable and sticky, like /var/lock and /tmp

2011-04-05 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 05.04.2011 19:03, schrieb Don Armstrong: On Tue, 05 Apr 2011, Michael Biebl wrote: Am 05.04.2011 17:30, schrieb Debian Bug Tracking System: Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: reassign 620458 general Bug #620458 [base-files] base-files: Please make /var/run world-writable

Re: Back to technical discussion? Yes! (was: network-manager as default? No!)

2011-04-05 Thread Andrew O. Shadoura
Hello, On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 14:31:40 +0200 Vincent Lefevre vinc...@vinc17.net wrote: [About the general problem of documentation] The problem is to find the correct tools and the correct documentation. For instance, imagine the average user who wants for Ethernet (eth0), to do the following

Re: Back to technical discussion? Yes! (was: network-manager as default? No!)

2011-04-05 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2011-04-05, Andrew O. Shadoura bugzi...@tut.by wrote: Of course, man guessnet. Just few lines. Last time I looked guessnet was orphaned, though. Kind regards Philipp Kern -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: Proposed pre-depends addition: all multiarched libs - multiarch-support

2011-04-05 Thread Russ Allbery
Simon McVittie s...@debian.org writes: * lintian should warn (error?) if a binary package has libraries in a multiarch directory and doesn't pre-depend on multiarch-support Yes, this is what we did for the X.org transition and it seemed to work reasonably well. -- Russ Allbery

Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?

2011-04-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 07:09:08PM +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 09:41:24 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 03:14:12PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Luk Claes l...@debian.org (04/04/2011): The most obvious reason to not degrade bash to Priority:

Re: Back to technical discussion? Yes! (was: network-manager as default? No!)

2011-04-05 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi, Am Dienstag, den 05.04.2011, 17:48 + schrieb Philipp Kern: On 2011-04-05, Andrew O. Shadoura bugzi...@tut.by wrote: Of course, man guessnet. Just few lines. Last time I looked guessnet was orphaned, though. but still very useful and allowing me to have a great network setup that,

Bug#620993: general: Lenny 2.6.26-2 has noticably increased swap usage, tho not swap thrashing

2011-04-05 Thread Daniel Gary
Package: general Severity: normal Swap usage prior to 2.6.26-2 upgrade was a relatively constant 0 Post 2.6.26-2 upgrade the usage is usually up into 300MB, not actively swapping however and doesn't seem to be affecting performance, but nagios is none to happy about swap being used. The

Re: Making may not be removed and needed

2011-04-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 04:18:22PM +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote: * Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org [110404 19:22]: If login worked consistently in the face of the configured shell going missing (automatically falling back to /bin/sh for root), then I think it would be worthwhile to do the

Re: Back to technical discussion? Yes! (was: network-manager as default? No!)

2011-04-05 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Kelly Clowers [Mon, Apr 04 2011, 02:06:01PM]: On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 07:29, Sune Vuorela nos...@vuorela.dk wrote: I don't consider myself 'stupid user', but I haven't yet been able to put my laptop on wpa network without the use of network manager. I never did get nm or

Re: Proposed pre-depends addition: all multiarched libs - multiarch-support

2011-04-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 11:12:29AM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 at 11:12:54 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: On Sat, Apr 02, 2011 at 12:36:05AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: Specifically, the plan is that any package in wheezy shipping a runtime library in a multiarch

Bug#620993: marked as done (general: Lenny 2.6.26-2 has noticably increased swap usage, tho not swap thrashing)

2011-04-05 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Your message dated Tue, 5 Apr 2011 19:45:28 +0100 with message-id 20110405184528.gx2...@decadent.org.uk and subject line Re: Bug#620993: general: Lenny 2.6.26-2 has noticably increased swap usage, tho not swap thrashing has caused the Debian Bug report #620993, regarding general: Lenny 2.6.26-2

Re: Proposed pre-depends addition: all multiarched libs - multiarch-support

2011-04-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 11:25:44AM +0100, Neil Williams wrote: Lintian error (and an ftpmaster REJECT) if debhelper compat 9 is set with no ${misc:PreDepends} set because that prevents the multiarch-support addition. A failure to convert ${misc:PreDepends} to multiarch-support would be a

Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?

2011-04-05 Thread Philip Hands
On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 19:09:08 +0200, Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.org wrote: On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 09:41:24 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 03:14:12PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Luk Claes l...@debian.org (04/04/2011): The most obvious reason to not degrade

Bug#620993: closed by Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk (Re: Bug#620993: general: Lenny 2.6.26-2 has noticably increased swap usage, tho not swap thrashing)

2011-04-05 Thread Daniel Gary
I have, but fixing monitoring to suit edge cases created from a recent upgrade doesn't make the edge cases non-issues. This is still an issue whether you want to hide it under nagios or not, so I'd appreciate a little more assistance in finding the problem beyond fixing nagios. If you go the

Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?

2011-04-05 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Carsten Hey wrote: * Steve Langasek [2011-04-04 19:37 -0700]: On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 02:00:36AM +0200, Carsten Hey wrote: * Find a sane solution for managing /bin/sh. Currently diversions are used, which looks like the wrong tool for this job to me. There are also some related bugs

Shipping /bin/sh [Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?]

2011-04-05 Thread Luk Claes
On 04/05/2011 11:05 PM, Jonathan Nieder wrote: Carsten Hey wrote: * Steve Langasek [2011-04-04 19:37 -0700]: On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 02:00:36AM +0200, Carsten Hey wrote: * Find a sane solution for managing /bin/sh. Currently diversions are used, which looks like the wrong tool for this

Bug#620993: closed by Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk (Re: Bug#620993: general: Lenny 2.6.26-2 has noticably increased swap usage, tho not swap thrashing)

2011-04-05 Thread Vincent Danjean
On 05/04/2011 21:15, Daniel Gary wrote: I have, but fixing monitoring to suit edge cases created from a recent upgrade doesn't make the edge cases non-issues. This is still an issue whether you want to hide it under nagios or not, I do not understand the issue. You have some swap and you

Re: Bug#620943: ITP: evtest -- utility to monitor input device events

2011-04-05 Thread Stephen Kitt
On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 13:14:01 +0200, Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.org wrote: On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 09:41:13 +0200, Stephen Kitt wrote: * Package name: evtest Version : 1.27 Upstream Author : Peter Hutterer peter.hutte...@redhat.com * URL :

Bug#620993: closed by Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk (Re: Bug#620993: general: Lenny 2.6.26-2 has noticably increased swap usage, tho not swap thrashing)

2011-04-05 Thread Daniel Gary
I'm not arguing that, I fully expect the kernel to use it to swap *if needed*. And if this was 20MB of swap, or maybe 100MB, ok, sure, the kernel might be swapping old pages out, but 300MB+ swapping out in 2.6.26-2 where 0MB swapped out in 2.6.26-1, and I can't find anything in the kernel.org

Re: Bug#620993: closed by Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk (Re: Bug#620993: general: Lenny 2.6.26-2 has noticably increased swap usage, tho not swap thrashing)

2011-04-05 Thread Russell Coker
On Wed, 6 Apr 2011, Daniel Gary dgary1...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not arguing that, I fully expect the kernel to use it to swap *if needed*. And if this was 20MB of swap, or maybe 100MB, ok, sure, the kernel might be swapping old pages out, but 300MB+ swapping out in 2.6.26-2 where 0MB Using

Re: Bug#620458: base-files: Please make /var/run world-writable and sticky, like /var/lock and /tmp

2011-04-05 Thread Russell Coker
On Wed, 6 Apr 2011, Yaroslav Halchenko deb...@onerussian.com wrote: sorry for a blunt follow-up -- wouldn't making /var/run writable by regular mortals ask for security concerns if an attacker starts pre-creating files/pipes trying to steal the communications of daemons spawned by root or

Bug#620993: closed by Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk (Re: Bug#620993: general: Lenny 2.6.26-2 has noticably increased swap usage, tho not swap thrashing)

2011-04-05 Thread Daniel Gary
On 4/5/2011 2:47 PM, Russell Coker wrote: On Wed, 6 Apr 2011, Daniel Garydgary1...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not arguing that, I fully expect the kernel to use it to swap *if needed*. And if this was 20MB of swap, or maybe 100MB, ok, sure, the kernel might be swapping old pages out, but 300MB+

Re: replacement of merkel services in DDPortfolio

2011-04-05 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Tue, 05 Apr 2011, Jan Dittberner wrote: * Group membership information ssh merkel.debian.org id jandd echo -n 'uid: ' read uid ldapsearch -LLL -x -h db.debian.org -b dc=debian,dc=org uid=$uid supplementaryGid On any host. On debian.org machines you need not use -h and -b. weasel --

Bug#620957: general: Would you be so kind to include Frandom in the Debian Repositories?

2011-04-05 Thread Ben Finney
reassign 620957 wnpp retitle 620957 RFP: frandom: kernel module for generating PRNG data thanks On 05-Apr-2011, Ruben wrote: I would like to see Frandom in the Debian repositories. Frandom is a kernel module for pseudo-random data generation, much as random and urandom, but works incredibly

Processed: Re: Bug#620957: general: Would you be so kind to include Frandom in the Debian Repositories?

2011-04-05 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: reassign 620957 wnpp Bug #620957 {Done: Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk} [general] general: Would you be so kind to include Frandom in the Debian Repositories? Bug reassigned from package 'general' to 'wnpp'. retitle 620957 RFP: frandom:

Re: Shipping /bin/sh [Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?]

2011-04-05 Thread Carsten Hey
* Luk Claes [2011-04-05 23:11 +0200]: On 04/05/2011 11:05 PM, Jonathan Nieder wrote: Carsten Hey wrote: * Steve Langasek [2011-04-04 19:37 -0700]: On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 02:00:36AM +0200, Carsten Hey wrote: * Find a sane solution for managing /bin/sh. Currently diversions are

Re: time based freezes

2011-04-05 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 1:14 AM, Margarita Manterola margamanter...@gmail.com wrote: Please, *NEVER* do fall or summer or winter. Remember that Debian is developed all around the world, and half the world has the opposite seasons that you have.  You can say December and you have a month of

Re: Updating GPG howto (http://keyring.debian.org/creating-key.html)

2011-04-05 Thread brian m. carlson
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 05:15:15PM +0200, Vincent Caron wrote: 2/ It is suggested to update gnupg.conf with: personal-digest-preferences SHA256 cert-digest-algo SHA256 default-preference-list SHA512 SHA384 SHA256 SHA224 AES256 AES192 AES CAST5 ZLIB BZIP2 ZIP Uncompressed Is it

Re: Shipping /bin/sh [Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?]

2011-04-05 Thread Luk Claes
On 04/06/2011 01:55 AM, Carsten Hey wrote: * Luk Claes [2011-04-05 23:11 +0200]: On 04/05/2011 11:05 PM, Jonathan Nieder wrote: Carsten Hey wrote: * Steve Langasek [2011-04-04 19:37 -0700]: On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 02:00:36AM +0200, Carsten Hey wrote: Guaranteeing that /bin/sh exists and is

Re: Back to technical discussion? Yes! (was: network-manager as default? No!)

2011-04-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 05 avril 2011 à 14:31 +0200, Vincent Lefevre a écrit : For instance, imagine the average user who wants for Ethernet (eth0), to do the following automatically (for a laptop): 1. use some fixed IP address if there's some peer 192.168.0.1 with some given MAC address; There are

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