there, but the problem I was actually
annoyed by was showing ISO-8859-1 instead of UTF-8. If anyone cares about
apt and friends converting to legacy locales, they can reopen this and
assign it back to apt or file a new bug.
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Honestly, I could care less whether it's in contrib or main
It's nice to see that Debian Developers actually care about their Social
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for *sending* mail only. What is the
purpose of a GUI for sending mail?
The small memory footprint. In minimalistic Window manager +
minimalistic program to send mail.
Err, who uses GTK when small memory footprint or minimalistic
are objectives?
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on your machine is just a practical problem, which doesn't make the license
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To clarify why this is not a valid interpretation:
Er, you followed this with three paragraphs that seemed like a reply to
someone arguing documentation isn't software, so it doesn't have to be
free, but nobody was doing that.
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On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 07:53:39PM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote:
Nobody is lying. A lie is an untruth made with the intent to
deceive. Debian doesn't try to hide these unmodifiable licenses;
it's been discussed openly
that such a resolution requires only a majority vote?
If you take these interpretive GRs as not requiring 3:1, then you can
bypass the 3:1 requirement entirely merely by phrasing your changes as
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Fortunately, as is typically the case, everyone is not allowed their own
interpretation of the rules.
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and not single out PHP.
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, perhaps you should also list them
as MIA.
Finger habits are hard to change, especially for an editor like vi. Ridicule
is unwarranted.
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for government elections. Votes in essay format. One can dream ...)
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your job to set headers expressing your preferences (which you
only have to do once, in your mailer configuration), not everyone else's
job to manually set your CC every time. (You've been on these lists for
quite a while; I'm pretty sure you know this ...)
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On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 12:19:16AM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote:
Well, I get to use other people's systems now and then, and I'm always
having
to ask people to install vim. If vim is the default, and configured to act
like vi
to use a system with vim and my .vimrc installed, but
lacking a few big features like syntax highlighting, than have to use
nvi. For me, it's a clear win: at least I can edit files. I'm probably
a fairly typical vim user.
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any significant
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far are things that :set compatible fixes. (Except maybe the display of
cw--I'm not sure if nvi or vim's display is how vi did it.)
[1] http://www.vim.org/viusers.php
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On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 10:58:02PM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote:
TBH, I think these are showstoppers. Otherwise, as long as the space issue
is fixed as you say it is, sounds fine.
I'm confused. A simple configuration change
like
new vim can change it with just .vimrc. A rare opportunity--everybody wins. :)
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- nvi flashes the screen/bell when a command fails; vim does not
:set visualbell
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:set compatible will switch Vim's behavior for all of these, except for:
Nope, I was running vim in compatible mode (the default without a
~/.vimrc) for all of them.
/etc/vim/vimrc sets nocompatible, among
more sense to me to require that the
few people posting to a list unsubscribed set a header saying so, than
the majority of people posting subscribed do so.
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papers shouldn't have to be free will debate theirs.
Both of these are after the fact. What should happen is what is happening:
debate the issue in advance, and make a decision based on that.
[1] To be clear, I'm not thinking of anyone in this conversation.
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arguments coming from Free Software
people that sound very close to intellectual property. I wonder if people
will start suggesting copy protection with DMCA enforcement. :)
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-free them;
however, I'm a bit interested to understand the rationale behind not wanting
to, from people who are beyond I don't want people putting words in my
mouth responses. (But I understand not wanting to spend time arguing
*against* DFSG-freeness.)
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claimed this, and received the same
response, and not waste time rehashing this again unless there's
something new to add. :)
http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/01/msg00826.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/06/msg00242.html
were easy to find, at least.
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to the
community.
Huh? Why do you think so?
Because that's what the GPL says, in relatively plain language.
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On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 03:54:01PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
* Glenn Maynard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [051104 14:40]:
On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 02:05:43PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
* Wouter Verhelst:
Lets assume you have GPL-ed project dpkg. Any change to foo.c must be
contributed
utility in your view,
then I find your opinion hard to take seriously ...
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On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 05:58:11PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
Rejecting every suggestion for an improvement is not helpful.
Yes, it is, if every
reduce the value of pointing out the bad
ones.
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Debian acts as a role model in the community, and Debian's practices will
directly affect those of others. Ignoring this fact is extremely
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mailing lists. Reducing that to minutes on average is beyond unacceptable.
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: ./configure --libexecdir=/usr/lib. (I don't
think apps that don't do this, or something like it, should be a major
consideration here--take apps out of the stone age, don't clutter my
/usr ...)
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%.)
This just seems like change for the sake of change, with trivial benefits,
if any.
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get annoyed enough by this to track down why FAIL_DELAY 0 isn't being
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On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 12:28:29AM -0400, Raul Miller wrote:
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In the past, UW has (in my opinion) played deliberate word games to
retroactively revoke the Freeness of a prior Pine license, and this license
is clearly non-free *without* any
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Pine License and Legal Notices
Pine and Pico are registered trademarks of the University of Washington. No
commercial use of these trademarks may be made without prior written permission
of the University of Washington.
Pine, Pico, and Pilot software and its included text are Copyright
distribute under these conditions; in addition, John
may offer you a new license in the future, terms which you may accept or
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the message--the only acceptable way to not be archived is to not post).
[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2002/03/msg00091.html
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On Thu, Apr 28, 2005 at 05:28:46PM +1000, Pascal Hakim wrote:
On Thu, 2005-04-28 at 03:03 -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote:
They might one day. It's possible to restrict http://lists.debian.org to
stop or slow down people leeching across the web archives.
The day Debian maims its archives
intelligently.
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make things any easier for
address harvesters.
(In practice I don't spend much time reading old threads, and it's more
convenient to read a couple messages by Googling for a Message-ID than to
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://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.xhtml
I have the same question around for some months.
I have read the link above but I didn't find any reply.
Any extra clue?
Those of us on d-legal have no idea what your question is; please restate
it. :)
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-free is a bit
unfair for those pieces of software that just fail a small point.
I don't believe forbidden to be modified in any way to be a small point.
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documentation should be allowed in Debian, propose a GR to
allow it. Nothing short of that will make it so. If people really
think they were tricked, fine--fix it with another GR. Unless and
until that happens, Debian's position is very clear.
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be applied to anything non-free;
would you seriously claim that, if Qmail was in main and I was to file
a bug against it for being non-free, that it should remain in main until
I write a replacement if users are still a priority? That's not how
it works.
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On Tue, Apr 19, 2005 at 09:31:53PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote:
On Wed, Apr 20, 2005 at 12:03:07AM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote:
On Wed, Apr 20, 2005 at 05:31:52AM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
If you really want to retain your everything is software point of
view, think about the consequences
be
Free, according to the DFSG, and nothing short of another GR will change
that. I believe this to be obvious and self-evident. (The rest is
tangental, and this conversation has too many mini-threads, so I'm
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but these we didn't *really* want to require documentation to be free
arguments are going nowhere and are a waste of time, so I'm dropping them.
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a given restriction is non-free.
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as a practical matter Debian
would be forced to grumble and accept any problems that are found. (As
I mentioned in my last mail, the unmodifiable license text problem
is not GPL-specific.)
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need non-free things, if it's the truth; it just might inspire
people to create free versions, or convince the FSF to free up their works.
That's a fundamental reason for separating non-free, and that's never changed.
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2004-003:
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[2] The link on the DWN page is wrong; a currently accurate one is
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documentation to *be* non-free.
The moving to non-free is just a side-effect; Adrian seems to be
saying that we should eliminate the side-effect and ignore the core
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disappointing that people will actually argue that completely
invariant, untouchable text is free enough; I have to wonder why they're
even here.)
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explored. (I'm not going to waste my time digging up discussions about
them for you, since you'll just complain that they're not an official
position statement. Find them yourself.)
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deliberately wasting the project's time with a very old,
eternity-since-debunked argument. That's known as trolling. Unless
you have something of value to say, go away.
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posts won't appear in the normal flow of the thread.
(I actually do point them out in the hope that you'll fix them. If you
don't care enough about the quality of your posts to do so, it's not my
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was lightly humerous, not an attack.
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an email address [EMAIL PROTECTED], though. My bad. :)
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tools.
s/GNU //?
(Putting GNU there reminds me vaguely of the back of a shampoo container:
After shampooing with Pantene(tm) Shampoo, follow up with Pantene(tm)
Conditioner, Pantene(tm) skin cleanser, ...)
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On Sun, Feb 27, 2005 at 06:51:32PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
Of course, all of these factors depend on the file system used. I am
confident somebody could point out a file-system that eliminates many
Reiserfs, of course.
You meant XFS, right?
(Sorry, couldn't be helped. :)
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to patents affecting the US, and never has been. AFAIK, non-us was an
archive that was uploaded to from outside the US, but could be freely and
legally used from inside the US--not an archive which was completely off-
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Read all of the messages. The relevant info is right there.
Do it! NOW!
Er.
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Please see:
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-at-all measure, really. Why
would anyone put up with this?)
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be called life, though.
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option mentioned in the info page found from your
google search). I had no idea it was even implemented, though.
(Aha: the strip tool mentioned is in elfutils, which is non-free. Blah.)
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of the stuff that runs in Wine is non-free--but not all, so
Wine goes in main. The relative quantities aren't relevant.
(It's not clear whether data beyond the scope of Debian--such as comics
being downloaded--are relevant to this, either, but that's another debate.)
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(It's not clear whether data beyond the scope of Debian--such as comics
being downloaded--are relevant to this, either, but that's another debate.)
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generate buzzwords?
But he seems to be having so much fun writing bad commercials instead of
package descriptions ...
(Do I get a set of Ginsu knives if I install now? FTP servers are standing
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to condemn those who we are unwilling to
ignore
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; but I can't put my
finger on any tangible difference in these cases, and maybe there isn't
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then? Please ask those people how you can rid off
of off-list CC replies.
This is incorrect. The proper way to respond to lists in Mutt (especially
on Debian lists, where it's policy) is to add the lists to subscribe,
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for mail, than trying to teach people how to use their
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text which is relevant to some other quote
would mean never removing anything. (As your complaints about my quoting
are both frivilous and in a somewhat demanding tone, I doubt I'll respond
to them any further.)
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lost--regardless of how
many times you assert that is has.
[1] You cannot justify the bad things that happen as a result of your
actions by saying that your goals *require* bad things to happen.
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it's used should be up
to the local admin.
... so I don't know why we're talking about implementation details. :)
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to my response, so no, they weren't
relevant. Stop yelling.
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people and bouncing email. Whatever
point you were trying to make is lost. The thread is over.
You're the one trying to force that comparison, not TB, so it's apparently
your point that's been lost.
Nice try, though.
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thing
doesn't work if the secondary CPU is on a sound card's DSP or a SCSI card's
processor. The CPU being used isn't an important metric here (even if
it's not obvious what the real metric is).
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lost, anyway ... :)
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refuting ...
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On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 09:39:46AM +, Matthew Garrett wrote:
Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 02:37:45AM +, Matthew Garrett wrote:
Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No, there's a very concrete reason: given an installation of Debian
main
firmware to fire up a device counts as
depend[ing] on an item of non-free software, but your emulator example
has no such ambiguity.)
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the simpler cases of simple
on-card flash should be dealt with before banging our heads on the corner
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. in the AIM client case, but that's a very different scenario and
should be treated independently.
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make me wonder why you're here at all,
though; you appear to regard Debian's founding principles with contempt.
[1] depending on whether we're allowed to distribute the firmware at all:
if the firmware isn't even in non-free, then it's a legal issue and philosophy
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assuming they're Free, and asking whether they should go in main or
contrib due to the firmware being non-free.
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