Re: PGP in the US (Re: formal documents)

1998-10-05 Thread Joseph Carter
On Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 09:57:24AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had to deal with this idiocy back in the eighties when I was building computers which may have qualified as 'munitions'. And remember that books are the purest form of evil and should always be burned if they have not been

Re: pine in other distributions

1998-10-05 Thread Joseph Carter
On Sun, Oct 04, 1998 at 04:20:20PM -0400, Kikutani Makoto wrote: I see. According to the past pine discussions, it seemed that Pine must be distributed with its source. Is this correct ? I couldn't read such restriction directly from Pine's CPYRIGHT. The reason why I'm asking this is that

Re: PGP in the US (Re: formal documents)

1998-10-05 Thread Joseph Carter
On Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 11:43:29AM -0700, Bob Nielsen wrote: I had to deal with this idiocy back in the eighties when I was building computers which may have qualified as 'munitions'. And remember that books are the purest form of evil and should always be burned if they have not been

Re: what's after slink

1998-10-04 Thread Joseph Carter
On Sat, Oct 03, 1998 at 06:57:54AM -0700, Bob Nielsen wrote: I thought 2.2 was going to be rc, and 3.0 would be woody. Johnnie Ingram was pushing for that one, as were a few others. But didn't an even earlier discussion conclude that woody should be bypassed as it would be offensive to

Re: How about using bzip2 as the standard *.deb compression format?

1998-10-04 Thread Joseph Carter
On Sat, Oct 03, 1998 at 08:37:12AM -0500, dsb3 wrote: I think we already went through this discussion a short while back. Unless I'm missing something new, it was pretty much decided that the memory overhead of bzip2 was too great for low-mem or slow PCs to handle. It'd STILL be nice to

Re: How about using bzip2 as the standard *.deb compression format?

1998-10-04 Thread Joseph Carter
On Sun, Oct 04, 1998 at 12:15:40PM +0100, James Troup wrote: Old/slow/lomem machines can't properly compile X or Mozilla anyway. Bzzt. I've compiled xfree86 for Debian/m68k on a 386/25 equivalent with only 14Mb (don't ask) of memory several times. Took 5 days, like, but it compiled

Re: PGP in the US (Re: formal documents)

1998-10-04 Thread Joseph Carter
On Sun, Oct 04, 1998 at 09:49:44AM -0400, Kikutani Makoto wrote: Do you accept a passport as the above formal documents ? Yes. [Though if there is any opportunity to meet another developer in Good. I asked this because Japanese developers who are planning to become maintainers feel

Re: KDE - what's up ?

1998-10-03 Thread Joseph Carter
On Fri, Oct 02, 1998 at 08:10:43PM +0200, Christian Hammers wrote: KDE is still in the contrib section. You can expect something to be done with KDE soon. Unless KDE changes their license soon and applies fixes for the licenses they can't change, you can expect KDE binaries to go away. KDE

Re: Canada to remain mostly free

1998-10-03 Thread Joseph Carter
hmmm... Wonder if we can get the Canadian gov't go convince the US Gov't to sell it the West coast of the US? California, Nevada, Oregon, Washington? Break it into 2 Provinces, you think? This would be cool because it'd put Silicon Valley in the Free World. Hmm, I wonder if the Canadian gov't

Re: what's after slink

1998-10-03 Thread Joseph Carter
On Fri, Oct 02, 1998 at 05:20:29PM -0700, Ben Gertzfield wrote: Kenneth After you freeze slink, what will be then name of the new Kenneth 'unstable' release (debian 2.2 or 3.0 that is). I think 'woody' would be an appropriate nickname. :) I thought 2.2 was going to be rc, and 3.0

Re: An X version of dselect for slink

1998-10-03 Thread Joseph Carter
On Fri, Oct 02, 1998 at 05:09:18PM -0400, Steve Dunham wrote: For initial install on Intel, we could always use XF86_VGA16. That should work on all systems. People who have recycled Sparc monitors? Even TEXT mode on those things is an evil hack with svgatextmode! pgpYkOcjfSEUt.pgp

Re: How about using bzip2 as the standard *.deb compression format?

1998-10-03 Thread Joseph Carter
On Fri, Oct 02, 1998 at 10:06:24PM -0500, dsb3 wrote: I read in an earlier mail that the main distro will no longer fit on one CD. Since a standardised specialized tool is already required to install a *.deb and this tool is installed on every Debian box, why not in the next update of dpkg

Re: libc6_2.0.7 release notes...

1998-06-25 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Thu, Jun 25, 1998 at 10:29:43AM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote: Brandon Mitchell has come up with a better scheme than my numbering alternative. Consider the following: 2.0.8pre1 2.0.8-0pre1 2.0.8pre2 2.0.8-0pre2 2.0.8 2.0.8-1 This has several advantages over my previous

Re: libc6_2.0.7 release notes...

1998-06-24 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Wed, Jun 24, 1998 at 09:48:36PM +0100, Philip Hands wrote: Dale Epochs are not, were never, intended to be used for this Dale purpose. They are only for dealing with upstream renumbering Dale that would cause conflicts. I thought this was all about the upstream releasing

Re: Stop vi discussion

1998-06-15 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Mon, Jun 15, 1998 at 09:38:16AM +0200, I mangled and reordered what Andreas Jellinghaus wrote: you may flame me, but you have to write the flame with joe. You asked for it... ~$ echo $EDITOR joe ~$ [if not emacs or vi or ae,] what then ? joe. How dare you come up with such a logical

Re: apt and hamm

1998-06-14 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sun, Jun 14, 1998 at 12:59:49AM -0600, Bdale Garbee wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: : My personal opinion is that Apt is *already* the way to go. Absolutely. 100% of the people I've suggested apt to (which is now almost everyone in my circle of Debian friends) has

Re: Zip disk install set?

1998-06-08 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sun, Jun 07, 1998 at 03:43:13PM -0700, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: I'd like to see a Zip disk install set. What should go on it? [..] pine This can't be on the base disk because it's non-free. If you want, you can make a zip disk with anything you want on it, make it bootable even... Or,

Re: so what? Re: Debian development modem

1998-06-08 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Mon, Jun 08, 1998 at 01:22:26PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: We must decouple our development tracks much more. I propose that we resolve never again to plan a release with is not fully backward compatible with the current stable version. Agreed! Those of us who have been talking about

Re: Tools the Parse config files (was Re: Linuxconf)

1998-06-03 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Wed, Jun 03, 1998 at 07:43:22AM +0300, Shaya Potter wrote: Shaya Also, linuxconf shouldn't be used to configure a user's Shaya personal information, such as .bashrc, .pinerc, those should Shaya be left to either the program itself like in pine, or to a Shaya package like the dotfile

Re: Debian Re-organization proposals (was: Re: so what?)

1998-06-03 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Wed, Jun 03, 1998 at 12:59:50PM -0500, Stephen Carpenter wrote: No, because democracy is inefficient in our case. I would go a step further and say democracy is always inefficient, in fact it is inefficiant by design Indeed, there is a reason why in the US a republic was formed by our

Re: Linuxconf

1998-06-02 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Tue, Jun 02, 1998 at 05:24:10PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: if a program edits it too, it should do it in a way which does not interfere at all with that human's right to put whatever s/he desires in the file. if it can not guarantee that 100% then it should not edit the file.

Re: Linuxconf

1998-06-02 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Tue, Jun 02, 1998 at 11:14:45AM +0100, Jules Bean wrote: The solution of course is to extend the m4 stuff to support all the things linuxconf does, but that's not so easy. Also, note that slackware didn't at last look have m4 sendmailconfig. Another example of where slackware is doing

Re: Linuxconf

1998-06-02 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Tue, Jun 02, 1998 at 03:59:22PM +0100, Jules Bean wrote: yes, that's a perfect solution.for those who choose to use exim. it does absolutely nothing at all for those who prefer to use sendmail. True. But I was answering the suggestion (chopped, unfortunately, which was foolish of

Re: Tools the Parse config files (was Re: Linuxconf)

1998-06-02 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Tue, Jun 02, 1998 at 12:46:02PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Shaya Also, linuxconf shouldn't be used to configure a user's Shaya personal information, such as .bashrc, .pinerc, those should Shaya be left to either the program itself like in pine, or to a Shaya package like the dotfile

Re: Linuxconf

1998-06-02 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Tue, Jun 02, 1998 at 12:32:53PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Jules The solution is to switch to a better designed mailer (exim Jules springs to mind) with easier to manage configuration. This seems to imply that linuxconfig should drop support for sendmail (which still is an

Re: Coming to closure on ae...

1998-05-04 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sat, May 02, 1998 at 08:24:50PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: Test $DISPLAY, it's the Right Way to test for X. But not the right way to test for xterm. If $DISPLAY is set you're either in an xterm, rxvt, or kvt. As far as ae would care, these are one and the same. pgpBM27t6J25C.pgp

Re: ppp: how to tell the connection speed?

1998-05-04 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sat, May 02, 1998 at 09:10:08PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rev. Joseph Carter writes: I think most Rockwell chipsets can do that. Part of a 4-5 line report of the connection info. Quite verbose actually. But somewhere in there they always say 'CONNECT'. The one I'm dealing

Re: Yet another Linux distribution! :-)

1998-05-04 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sat, May 02, 1998 at 07:33:03PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: one word: fetchmail. fetchmail doesn't do local mail delivery, but relies on an smtp server. ssmtp is not an smtp server. one more word: procmail [from man page] -m, --mDa (Keyword: mda) You can force

Re: Yet another Linux distribution! :-)

1998-05-04 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sat, May 02, 1998 at 07:42:08PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Rev smail is NASTY to configure over dialup links. And getting worse Rev it seems. I couldn't do it. sendmail is clearly not suited for Rev the task. Just don't tell that to my machine. manoj who is happy

Re: Yet another Linux distribution! :-)

1998-05-04 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sat, May 02, 1998 at 09:49:31PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: Jason Gunthorpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can configure fetchmail to run through procmail. Er, the fetchmail FAQ implies that if you use -mda procmail you can lose mail to resource exhaustion. You lose .forward and aliases.

Re: Yet another Linux distribution! :-)

1998-05-04 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sun, May 03, 1998 at 11:27:29AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: smail is NASTY to configure over dialup links. And getting worse it seems. I couldn't do it. sendmail is clearly not suited for the task. ^^^ why? sendmail

Re: Yet another Linux distribution! :-)

1998-05-04 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sat, May 02, 1998 at 08:39:25PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: slrnpull should probably be seperated from slrn simply because there's nothing in it that REQUIRES slrn other than that it puts things in /var/spool/slrnpull (can be changed) and if you don't LIKE slrn you can still have slrnpull,

Re: Yet another Linux distribution! :-)

1998-05-04 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sat, May 02, 1998 at 08:34:28PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: I haven't looked at it. It's only 15k! That would be a really good choice if it actually does the job. :-) One large problem with ssmtp is that it has no queueing. If you try to send mail offline, it gets lost. Does ssmtp

Re: Yet another Linux distribution! :-)

1998-05-04 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sun, May 03, 1998 at 12:54:20AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I'm confused too thought that is not such an unusual state latesly... Fetchmail IS POP (or IMAP and somthing else but definately NOT smtp) for __getting__ the mail. It IS also smtp for handing the mail to the machine

Re: Yet another Linux distribution! :-)

1998-05-04 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sun, May 03, 1998 at 10:41:10AM +0200, Hugo Haas wrote: root: The person who gets root's mail (also daemons', etc). This userid (on the mailhub) get all mail sent to local adressees with userids less than 10. In other words, she gets mail the system

Re: Yet another Linux distribution! :-)

1998-05-04 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sun, May 03, 1998 at 07:38:57PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Rev The script didn't deal with the fact that I didn't have a static Rev IP/name. Hmm. I don't quite understand that -- I think I just had my machine set up as 127.0.0.2 or something (I could also have used

Re: Yet another Linux distribution! :-)

1998-05-04 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sun, May 03, 1998 at 07:10:45PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Rev How did you get sendmail to cooperate with dialup? What do you mean by cooperate? I send mail using sendmail whenever I want to. On up-up, I do a sendmail -q. I download messages using fetchmail. As to my sendmail

Re: MDA's was: Yet another Linux distribution! :-)

1998-05-04 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sun, May 03, 1998 at 11:45:24PM +0400, Amos Shapira wrote: |Sendmail configuration is tough but it is also the best documented MTA |bar none! The O'Reliey book alone on sendmail is 2 1/5 thick. Probably |close to everything that has ever been done with mail has been done with |sendmail

Re: fetchmail/procmail was: Yet another Linux distribution! :-)

1998-05-04 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sun, May 03, 1998 at 11:40:45PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are probably wasting everyone's time now by not looking to see just what fetchmail/procmail interface actually is... As I understand it, the fetchmail/procmail interface is a kludge. No, actually it's a pipe.. = ducks

Re: not knowing where to send this.....

1998-05-04 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Mon, May 04, 1998 at 01:52:25AM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: I expect that everyone who has sent email to debian-devel this weekend will have been unsubscribed. [Er... probably not everyone: the too many bounces mechanism probably won't knock off people who posted just a few times.] Just

Re: bug #21739 - xfstt -- comments?

1998-05-04 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Mon, May 04, 1998 at 11:28:20AM -0400, Stephen Carpenter wrote: I have been working on the xfstt package to take it over. Until a few days ago there was only one bug of Wishlist priority filed against it which is now ready to close as soon as I am able to upload files (ie am finished

Re: Yet another Linux distribution! :-)

1998-05-03 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sat, May 02, 1998 at 06:52:47PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: root: The person who gets root's mail (also daemons', etc). This userid (on the mailhub) get all mail sent to local adressees with userids less than 10. In other words, she gets mail the

Re: Coming to closure on ae...

1998-05-03 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sat, May 02, 1998 at 11:42:39PM +0200, Oliver Elphick wrote: There doesn't seem to be a reliable method for determining whether or not you are in an xterm. Any method so far suggested has natural configuration situations that break the method. When you start an xterm, TERM is set to

Re: ppp: how to tell the connection speed?

1998-05-03 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sat, May 02, 1998 at 12:13:35PM -0600, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: BTW has anyone else run across a modem that reports 'CARRIER' instead of 'CONNECT'? My very first modem did that. But we are talking 1988 (whoa! it's been long) here and that was an El Cheapo 2400 I think most Rockwell

Re: A few questions

1998-05-02 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Fri, May 01, 1998 at 09:08:12AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've seen the term mentioned here many times, I've looked in the docs but can't find the meaning (so it must be slang). What is a tarball? A .tar.gz file = On the thread of .deb vs .rpm From Maximum RPM I see that rpm

Re: Yet another Linux distribution! :-)

1998-05-02 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sat, May 02, 1998 at 12:15:32PM +0100, Mark Baker wrote: - targetted towards desktop use only, no server apps, just a few games - minimal size - optimized for installation via 28.8k modem via FTP, which will be the primary distribution mechanism (not CD). These don't seem

Re: Intent to package: uedit

1998-05-02 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sat, May 02, 1998 at 09:12:41AM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: Yeah, that's right, an editor that opens /dev/mem. If you do an objdump (-Slx) on the binary, you'll see that it's trying to treat the screen as a region of memory. This program is starting to scare me. It disables console

Re: Yet another Linux distribution! :-)

1998-05-02 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sat, May 02, 1998 at 10:11:48AM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: You need MTA. You just do. But you don't need a complex MTA. If you consider sendmail the standard to judge by, most everything is smaller, simpler, or better for personal systems. My personal choice for an MTA is qmail. The

Re: Yet another Linux distribution! :-)

1998-05-02 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sun, May 03, 1998 at 01:37:28AM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: You need MTA. You just do. But you don't need a complex MTA. If you consider sendmail the standard to judge by, most everything is smaller, simpler, or better for personal systems. My personal choice for an MTA is qmail.

Re: Yet another Linux distribution! :-)

1998-05-02 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sat, May 02, 1998 at 11:36:28AM -0700, John Labovitz wrote: The whole exim package is about 500k, which only takes 5 minutes or so to download via modem - so I'd probably stick with that (unless something better comes along). MTA choices are easy, because there is very little

Re: Yet another Linux distribution! :-)

1998-05-02 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sat, May 02, 1998 at 11:43:22AM -0700, Jim Pick wrote: have you looked at ssmtp? i just took a quick look at the source, and it seems that it's *extremely* simple -- sounds like a good one for a send-only MTA. I haven't looked at it. It's only 15k! That would be a really good

Re: Yet another Linux distribution! :-)

1998-05-02 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sat, May 02, 1998 at 03:22:18PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: This might work for some people -- people with constant net connections or who don't mind waiting for demand-dialed ppp every time they want to send a message. Yeah, the lack of a queue bothered me, but at the same time most MUA's

Re: Yet another Linux distribution! :-)

1998-05-02 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sat, May 02, 1998 at 08:22:31PM +0100, Mark Baker wrote: have you looked at ssmtp? i just took a quick look at the source, and it seems that it's *extremely* simple -- sounds like a good one for a send-only MTA. But this is aimed at dialup users! You don't want a send-only MTA, as

Re: Yet another Linux distribution! :-)

1998-05-02 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sat, May 02, 1998 at 08:24:30PM +0100, Mark Baker wrote: You DON'T need a news server. slrn is a good thing here! Any newsreader, for that matter -- rtin, for example. No, that's useless on dialup links, which I understand is a large part of the market Jim wants to aim for. You

Re: Intent to package pine-src

1998-05-01 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Thu, Apr 30, 1998 at 01:57:28PM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote: I agree with Ian. The .deb file format is expressly for the distribution of configured executables (binaries for short). Using this format for source distribution is simply asking for trouble. Maybe we need a tarball that contains

Re: Intent to package pine-src

1998-05-01 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Thu, Apr 30, 1998 at 02:16:12PM -0400, Stephen Carpenter wrote: hmm would it satisfy things to make a binary dist of the original files and of the debainized files...and litterally have it unpack the real pine and then run patch on it with a diff made agains t the debianized binaries? (I

Re: Intent to package pine-src

1998-05-01 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Thu, Apr 30, 1998 at 05:09:18PM -0300, Igor Grobman wrote: Here is an idea. Why don't we make an installer package for these source-only packages. It would work the same way as netscape installer, except it would compile the binary as well as retrieve the source tarball from the net (or

Re: Why is dosemu in contrib?

1998-05-01 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Thu, Apr 30, 1998 at 09:57:11AM -0700, David Welton wrote: dpkg -s dosemu says: Package: dosemu Status: install ok installed Priority: extra Section: contrib Installed-Size: 1799 Maintainer: Herbert Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Version: 0.66.7-10 Depends: libc6,

Re: Why is dosemu in contrib?

1998-05-01 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Thu, Apr 30, 1998 at 10:08:59AM -0700, David Welton wrote: On Thu, Apr 30, 1998 at 01:05:19PM -0400, Stephen Carpenter wrote: That might not put it in contrib isn't there a Free version of DOS that someoen other than Micro$loth made? i fsomething like that works with DOSemu...

Re: on forming a new Linux Distributionx

1998-05-01 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Thu, Apr 30, 1998 at 06:55:43PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: You think nobody is going to try and snatch it then? Er.. how do you snatch an expired patent? Reregistration? pgpDXJWQhU0vz.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: monochrome cards

1998-05-01 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Thu, Apr 30, 1998 at 11:32:18PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: That said, I can't see anyone using a MCA card as his primary interface. I can see this, or serial console, being used for a server. Or an old 386 that you use as a router... Also, don't forget the sorts of interfaces blind

Re: Intent to do a non-maintainer release of shadow-980403.

1998-05-01 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Thu, Apr 30, 1998 at 06:47:02PM -0700, Joel Klecker wrote: A week or so ago I sent a report[1] regarding the latest upstream version of the shadow password utils, in that report I detailed which bugs were fixed, and I offered to do a non-maintainer release. I have yet to receive any

Re: on forming a new Linux Distribution

1998-05-01 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Fri, May 01, 1998 at 04:19:42PM +1000, John Boggon wrote: Can someone tell me why a new distribution has to be started up just because the current one isn't newbie friendly or easy to install ? There isn't really. Why not concentrate on an installation system or front end for dpkg / APT

Re: Intent to package pine-src

1998-05-01 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Fri, May 01, 1998 at 12:32:26PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: The postinst for the .deb will compile the source, install the .deb, and clean up after itself if you so desire for a -src package... Well, I don't plan to do that. I think it would be too much for a -src package. I will

Re: source packages and censorship

1998-05-01 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Fri, May 01, 1998 at 11:33:55AM -0400, Daniel Martin at cush wrote: I think someone already proposed this idea, and it was immediately ignored, so I'm going to suggest it again: I didn't ignore it. What about a pine-installer package? This would be similar to the netscape3 and

Re: Intent to package pine-src

1998-05-01 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Fri, May 01, 1998 at 08:43:20PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: the qmail-src package works very nicely (i tried it out on a 'spare' machine recently - qmail's quite nice...if it wasn't for the license and attitude problems i'd be quite tempted to switch to it) and the build-qmail script could

Re: xfsft deb package

1998-04-30 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Thu, Apr 30, 1998 at 01:49:06AM +0200, Remco Blaakmeer wrote: If it is a patch to xfs that uses the freetype libs, I'd think it could be incorporated into the xfs that is in the xbase package, but I wouldn't care if it was implemented as a separate font server. Could you contact Branden

Re: as much business as you can handle

1998-04-30 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
You know, I think I would not mind seeing someone respond to these spams with something that might get the point across that we don't want their garbage. I really think the lists should reject mail from those not subscribed. pgpCNszjWPc1S.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: xfsft deb package

1998-04-30 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 10:14:18PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Why is xfs in xbase at all? It's not required to use X. I would suggest just pulling it out to its own package. I eventually plan to do this. See the X Strike Force page. http://master.debian.org/~branden/xsf.html I

Re: on forming a new Linux Distribution

1998-04-30 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 08:05:00PM -0700, Bruce Perens wrote: I've been giving serious thought for a while to forming a new Linux distribution. My reason is to fulfill some goals that currently are not addressed by Debian or the commercial distributions. Certainly no distribution can meet the

Re: on forming a new Linux Distribution

1998-04-30 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Thu, Apr 30, 1998 at 02:33:54AM -0500, Ean Schuessler wrote: [..] Bruce could have followed the great Freeware tradition of building concensus by putting togethor a team of Debianites dedicated to creating a newbie-friendly wrapper for the technically excellent Debian distribution. [..]

Re: on forming a new Linux Distribution

1998-04-30 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Thu, Apr 30, 1998 at 10:06:00AM -0400, Steve Dunham wrote: It might be smart to fork rpm (call it something else) and re-do the header fields to be more sensible, then use APT to provide understanding This would be bad. Especially since RPM is a cross platform standard: people are

Re: on forming a new Linux Distribution

1998-04-30 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Thu, Apr 30, 1998 at 04:35:24PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: [1] The KDE team produces a lot of them like kppp, kisdn, kheise etc. I don't believe that these is the answer as long as Qt is non-free but it's a way in the right direction. My personal hesitation with Qt has been

Re: on forming a new Linux Distribution

1998-04-30 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Thu, Apr 30, 1998 at 10:44:21AM -0400, Stephen Carpenter wrote: [Debian for the clueless users] If there are a group of people interested in doing this still, I am very much interested in seeing this done and contributing what I can to the project. I find this idea interesting and

Re: on forming a new Linux Distributionx

1998-04-30 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Thu, Apr 30, 1998 at 11:32:00AM -0700, Bruce Perens wrote: For what it's worth, GIF support is doable with free software, just not compressed gifs. [gif supports a variety of compression mechanisms, including none.] The patent expires in August. You think nobody is going to try and

Re: Intent to package pine-src

1998-04-30 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Thu, Apr 30, 1998 at 05:19:00PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: Ian, why do you still think that qmail-src should not exist? Are you the only one? [ I intent to package pine-src ]. I use qmail-src and I would use pine-src. You are right that at least in hamm this is the best way to do it.

Re: netstd tools in the base system (was Re: What to do with /bin/perl symlink?)

1998-04-29 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 07:00:48PM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: What if the person does not want to use dselect? Many people (not me) prefer to download packages themselves, and dpkg -i them. Now that ftp is removed, they would either have to download netstd using something other

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-28 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 05:36:03PM +0200, Yann Dirson wrote: The long-term plan is: 1) ship an empty /etc/X11/window-managers with xbase 2) mark it as a conffile 3) separate twm into its own package 4) write /usr/sbin/register-window-manager I don't think shipping an empty

Re: consistency check

1998-04-25 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 06:11:25PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: If you're running a hamm (Debian 2.0, frozen) you might like to look at cruft (cruft_0.9.4_i386.deb, still sitting in Incoming; try ftp1.us.debian.org:/pub/debian/Incoming or your favourite Incoming mirror) which does

Re: Intent to package moxa radius

1998-04-24 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Thu, Apr 23, 1998 at 05:04:19PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Rev It does that, but sometimes that is not always a good thing. Rev Take for example the libreadline library. It is GPL, not LGPL. Rev In order to link this library which is somewhat standard (IMO at Rev least) your software

Re: Intent to package moxa radius

1998-04-24 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 02:22:39PM +0100, Jules Bean wrote: On the contrary. This is an excellent point you made. ncftp is now under GPL!! Yay! libreadline not being under LGPL worked! Hurrah! Um, 2.x is GPL. 3.x is not, afaik. Certainly the version of 3 in hamm is not linked

Re: Intent to package moxa radius

1998-04-24 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 04:27:20AM +1000, Martin Mitchell wrote: 3 was yanked from hamm (hardly usable) and 2 was put in main. I think it uses an epoch, which should make it install even though versionwise it's older. Hm.. I'm the ncftp maintainer and the version in hamm/non-free should

Re: ncftp status? (was re: Intent to package moxa radius)

1998-04-24 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 10:21:04PM +0100, Jules Bean wrote: I don't see any version of ncftp 2 in frozen? Someone said it was GPL (and hence free) now? And someone else said it had gone into hamm/main, but I don't seem to have it in my packages file... It's there. In main, I believe

Re: elvis package

1998-04-23 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Wed, Apr 22, 1998 at 06:27:03PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: I'm pretty sure that a program must be either entirely GPLed, or contain no GPLed parts. More precisely, the non-gpled parts must not have terms which prevent compliance with the gpled parts. Uhh, the GPL does not state that

Re: Intent to package moxa radius

1998-04-23 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
Anyway, could you explain to me how this advertising clause is so harmful? See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/bsd.html. Ok, this helps. I am still at a loss why we mention BSD as one of the free licenses in DFSG, and have no mention of this problem there. I'll try to contact

Re: Intent to package moxa radius

1998-04-23 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Thu, Apr 23, 1998 at 12:06:33AM -0400, James A.Treacy wrote: If you ask RMS, MANY licenses are not free enough, including BSD, Artistic, and others. DFSG is not free enough for him, yet you can do more with one of the other licenses. Interesting how that works out. RMS is pushing

Re: A little ircii /dcc tweak I'd like to see the default...

1998-04-19 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sat, Apr 18, 1998 at 07:29:19PM -0700, Robert Woodcock wrote: I'd like to see this patch become the default: --- ircii-4.4/source/dcc.c~ Thu Dec 25 17:36:09 1997 +++ ircii-4.4/source/dcc.cSat Apr 18 19:22:43 1998 [patch body removed] Yes, what that does is check your /dcc commands

Re: Problems with pgp signed mails

1998-04-19 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sun, Apr 19, 1998 at 03:29:18PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: There's nothing wrong with your mail, my mutt just doesn't recognize it as pgp signed. I have adjusted my preprocessor. /usr/doc/mutt-i/pgp-Notes.txt.gz has more info on how to fix this with procmail. -BEGIN PGP

Re: Problems with pgp signed mails

1998-04-19 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sun, Apr 19, 1998 at 06:39:25PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: There's nothing wrong with your mail, my mutt just doesn't recognize it as pgp signed. I have adjusted my preprocessor. /usr/doc/mutt-i/pgp-Notes.txt.gz has more info on how to fix this with procmail. Ha! That's the

Re: A little ircii /dcc tweak I'd like to see the default...

1998-04-19 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sun, Apr 19, 1998 at 10:10:00AM -0700, Robert Woodcock wrote: [...] Yes, what that does is check your /dcc commands to see if they have /etc or /passwd in them, and if they do, print a message Send request rejected. Ick, no. If an admin is not running shadow passwds, that's their

Re: Spamming people

1998-04-16 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Tue, Apr 14, 1998 at 08:19:29PM -0700, boobileedoo wrote: please get someone to spam [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] plus get some one to spam [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanx Why? Isn't spamming supposed to be wrong? What makes it wrong for people to spam is if it's not wrong for us to

Re: Are we shipping 2.0 with ipmasq in the default kernel?

1998-04-15 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Tue, Apr 14, 1998 at 10:28:34AM -0400, Alex Yukhimets wrote: Find the IP Masq HOWTO and make use of same. It'll save you LOTS of pain. Hi. Hi back = The thing is that I had a prefectly working IPmasq setup, with rules changed in ip-up and ip-down. hmm, now there's an idea. Since

Re: Anyone want to make a Debian XDM login screen?

1998-04-13 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Mon, Apr 13, 1998 at 01:44:22AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: One presumes that will stop very soon now. Both GTK+ and the GIMP are very, very close to a 1.0 release. For the GTK+, one can assume that the library interface will be stable for a while. Like I said, this is probably a

Re: kernel-headers-2.0.32 vs. kernel-headers-2.0.33

1998-04-13 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Mon, Apr 13, 1998 at 12:28:15AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Congratulations! You have just introduced a subtle bug on your system. It may work, and possibly never cause a problem, but there is a bomb ticking away, waiting to explode ;-) Which bug is that? If it's really that

Re: kernel-headers-2.0.32 vs. kernel-headers-2.0.33

1998-04-13 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sun, Apr 12, 1998 at 11:38:18PM -0700, George Bonser wrote: Also, I now see what you ment by your ticking time-bomb comment. If you change the symlinks, user programs are no longer in sync with glibc. This can, as Linus pointed out in your quoted text, cause interesting failures though I

Re: kernel-headers-2.0.32 vs. kernel-headers-2.0.33

1998-04-13 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Mon, Apr 13, 1998 at 12:23:41AM -0700, George Bonser wrote: Please do not use force unless you understand what you are doing, and also understand that others may not be able to help recover a hosed system. Agreed, and thank you for the information. I now understand how the

Re: kernel-headers-2.0.32 vs. kernel-headers-2.0.33

1998-04-13 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Mon, Apr 13, 1998 at 12:56:49PM +0200, Richard Braakman wrote: A question which comes to my curious mind... is there a way a program running as root can ask the kernel things like do you support modules and module versioning? or is the above script which hung my machine without so

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