[on list, this time. sorry]
On Saturday 09 August 2003 04:48, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
You can talk but you can't second a proposal. You somewhat can (or
could) make a proposal since that isn't signed and normaly noone
bothered to check if one was a DD. But thats more of a backdoor than
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anybody who has to ask Why should I/we/they contribute? is not
suitable for Debian. (The answer, incidentally, is because we can
or because it's there, or some other variation; it is a goal in
itself, and not a means to an end)
OK, now *that* is just
Andrew Suffield said:
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 04:56:44PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
snip
Wrong. There have been specific technical things I wanted to do
which simply cannot be done easily as an outsider.
^^
Generally it's QA stuff. I'm doing it
* Goswin von Brederlow
| How does a package become important? All the important stuf has been
| in debian for years. I doubt any NM can come up with a new package
| where people say: Gosh, if we wouldn't have that we would be screwed.
Somebody ITP-ed cpufreq a little time ago. That's quite
On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 07:32:43 +0200
Tollef Fog Heen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Somebody ITP-ed cpufreq a little time ago. That's quite important if
you are using a laptop (which a lot of DDs are) with ACPI and you
don't want to burn all your battery.
New tools get written all the time, many to
On Friday 08 August 2003 05:23, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Policy changes, voting and the internal discussions all need
membership. Having NMs hang in limbo without due cause is denying them
the right to those.
Voting yes. But to me it seems that most issues are discussed on the open
lists
* Steve Lamb
(please trim your lines a little, 72 chars/line is considered
standard, to allow for a few levels of quoting before breaking the
lines on a 80 char wide terminal. TIA.)
| That is true, but that doesn't make the package important in
| the sense I got from his message. What I
On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 08:04:04 +0200
Tollef Fog Heen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Steve Lamb
(please trim your lines a little, 72 chars/line is considered
standard, to allow for a few levels of quoting before breaking the
lines on a 80 char wide terminal. TIA.)
Please use a standard quote
On Friday 08 August 2003 04:09, Scott James Remnant wrote:
Thanks a lot for this one.
-- vbi
--
I'm personally quite happy with one stable release every two years, and
am of the opinion that trying to release more will mean we'll have to
rename the distro from stable to wobbly.
-- Scott
* Steve Lamb
| Please use a standard quote character, which is . In that way
| pretty much any modern editor in the past, say, 10 years, can reflow
| quoted lines to fit within 80 characters. 72 was for the ~10 years
| before reflowing of quotes.
So it can if you use | or : or some other
Hi,
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 12:08:38AM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
Anybody who has to ask Why should I/we/they contribute? is not
suitable for Debian. (The answer, incidentally, is because we can
or because it's there, or some other variation; it is a goal in
itself, and not a means to an
Hi, Steve Lamb wrote:
Please use a standard quote character, which is . In that way pretty
much any modern editor in the past, say, 10 years, can reflow quoted lines to
fit within 80 characters.
OTOH, most editors can be configured as to which characters they consider
to be quotes.
OTGH,
On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 08:52:14 +0200
Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OTOH, most editors can be configured as to which characters they consider
to be quotes.
True, but reflow across multiple levels tends to break when one has
different quote characters to contend with.
--
On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 09:06:56 +0200
Tollef Fog Heen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So it can if you use | or : or some other random character as well.
It's still a bit silly to have to reflow all your paragraphs at the
first quotation level, but whatever.
Which I don't. Since the quoted text is
* Steve Lamb
| On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 09:06:56 +0200
| Tollef Fog Heen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| So it can if you use | or : or some other random character as well.
| It's still a bit silly to have to reflow all your paragraphs at the
| first quotation level, but whatever.
|
| Which I
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 11:46:20PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anybody who has to ask Why should I/we/they contribute? is not
suitable for Debian. (The answer, incidentally, is because we can
or because it's there, or some other variation; it is a
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 11:58:10PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
Andrew Suffield said:
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 04:56:44PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
snip
Wrong. There have been specific technical things I wanted to do
which simply cannot be done easily as an outsider.
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 04:55:19PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
(The answer, incidentally, is because we can
or because it's there, or some other variation; it is a goal in
itself, and not a means to an end)
That, however, is not enough in and of itself. I *could* very well
contribute
On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:29:54 +0100
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, you have misconstrued it the other way. It really was You
like it therefore you should contribute.
No. There is a difference between these two statements:
I like Debian therefore I should contribute.
I
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 05:34:20AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
It's not like a developer could do anything more, in these two
That being true still doesn't help non DDs to contribute.
Indeed, but it also means that they are not reasons why people should
be given accounts.
cases.
On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:21:48 +0100
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't think you're going to get it, either. It's basically the same
question as Why do people write free software?, and if you come up
with altruism, politics, or respect then you're barking up the
wrong tree.
On Sat, Aug 09, 2003 at 04:21:42AM +1000, Glenn McGrath wrote:
On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:21:48 +0100
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't think you're going to get it, either. It's basically the same
question as Why do people write free software?, and if you come up
with
On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:33:24 +0100
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bullshit. Our community consists of heckling each other until we get
it right. Membership is about doing the damn work; I guess that's a
form of resources.
heckle
But I thought it was perfectly possible to perform work
On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:33:24 +0100
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Aug 09, 2003 at 04:21:42AM +1000, Glenn McGrath wrote:
Membership is not about resources, its about community.
Bullshit. Our community consists of heckling each other until we get
it right.
This heckling
On Aug 07, Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you think any DD reads those? Do DDs care about Bugs with patches?
And don't tell me glibc is unmaintained or ppp.
ppp actually appears to be unmaintained. Many users requested essential
features like pppoa and kernel space pppoe
On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:40, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Aug 07, Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Do you think any DD reads those? Do DDs care about Bugs with patches?
And don't tell me glibc is unmaintained or ppp.
ppp actually appears to be unmaintained. Many users requested
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 12:40:18PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Aug 07, Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you think any DD reads those? Do DDs care about Bugs with patches?
And don't tell me glibc is unmaintained or ppp.
ppp actually appears to be unmaintained. Many users
Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 08:52:14 +0200
Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| OTOH, most editors can be configured as to which characters they
| consider to be quotes.
True, but reflow across multiple levels tends to break when one
has different
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 08:29:54AM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 04:55:19PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
That, however, is not enough in and of itself. I *could* very well
contribute to FreeBSD. I don't. Why? Because I don't like
FreeBSD. I like Debian. You're
Not wanting to start yet another thread, but I not knowing where to tack it
on...
How about moving from the one-step application (one is non-dd or dd) two a two
stage process: introduce the 'Debian Contributor' brand with very easy entry
level, and only DC's (older than a month or something
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 08:21:48AM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 11:46:20PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anybody who has to ask Why should I/we/they contribute? is not
suitable for Debian. (The answer, incidentally, is
* Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
How about moving from the one-step application (one is non-dd or dd) two a
two
stage process: introduce the 'Debian Contributor' brand with very easy entry
level, and only DC's (older than a month or something like that -
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 10:32:07AM -0600, Joel Baker wrote:
* want to contribute something to a project they respect
* want to help out Debian users
* want to help promote the goals of Debian
These are bad reasons.
They are also the only reasons anyone would want to contribute to
On Friday 08 August 2003 10:59 am, Andrew Suffield wrote:
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 10:32:07AM -0600, Joel Baker wrote:
Funny. I thought the FSF was, at least origionally, more or less
entirely about self-interest, altruism, and politics.
The organisation might have been founded for those
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 05:59:52PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 10:32:07AM -0600, Joel Baker wrote:
* want to contribute something to a project they respect
* want to help out Debian users
* want to help promote the goals of Debian
These are bad
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 11:59:42AM -0600, Wesley J Landaker wrote:
On Friday 08 August 2003 10:59 am, Andrew Suffield wrote:
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 10:32:07AM -0600, Joel Baker wrote:
Funny. I thought the FSF was, at least origionally, more or less
entirely about self-interest, altruism,
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:33:08PM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
What we need is a database with simple mailing list function (similar to
PTS) where willing sponsors for a certain package can subscribe and
sponsorees with much motivation can send diffs for the next version
upgrade. Easy to review
I demand that Steve Lamb may or may not have written...
On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 08:52:14 +0200
Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OTOH, most editors can be configured as to which characters they consider
to be quotes.
True, but reflow across multiple levels tends to break when one has
Hi,
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 07:34:26PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
altruim, [sic]
Self-delusion. (It's invariably a form of 'By doing this I can better
fit the sort of person I would like to think I am'. People who
disagree with this interpretation are probably committing it. Get out
On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:59:52 +0100
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 10:32:07AM -0600, Joel Baker wrote:
Start with the things about Debian which are distinctly different from
other projects. You should be able to find some things which you want
to do which depend
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 09:38:43PM +0200, Emile van Bergen wrote:
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 07:34:26PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
altruim, [sic]
Self-delusion. (It's invariably a form of 'By doing this I can better
fit the sort of person I would like to think I am'. People who
On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 23:39:25 +0100
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Two pounds of flax.
Oh, you play A Tale in the Desert?
--
Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your
PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls.
Stephen Frost wrote:
* Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
How about moving from the one-step application (one is non-dd or dd) two a
two
stage process: introduce the 'Debian Contributor' brand with very easy entry
level, and only DC's (older than a month or
Hi,
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 11:39:25PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 09:38:43PM +0200, Emile van Bergen wrote:
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 07:34:26PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
altruim, [sic]
Self-delusion. (It's invariably a form of 'By doing this I can
Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Friday 08 August 2003 05:23, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Policy changes, voting and the internal discussions all need
membership. Having NMs hang in limbo without due cause is denying
them the right to those.
Voting
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 05:34:20AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
If you actually dig into the list, you'll find that many of the bugs
with patches fall into the same category as these two. Most of the
rest actually need significant attention, not
* Craig Dickson
| Chris Cheney wrote:
|
| The only people
| actually waiting that long now (aiui) are people James does not want in
| the project at all.
|
| Then why are they left hanging indefinitely rather than being rejected?
Because one is more work than the other. I'm not saying it
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:40, Joe Wreschnig wrote:
Face it - no free software project is easy to join (except apparently
KDE...), and there's a reason for that. It's a process that selects
against bad code and bad maintainers. It's also a process that happens
to have false positives probably more
Martijn van Oosterhout kleptog@svana.org writes:
I'm not commenting on the rest of the message but this:
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 05:29:54PM +0300, Halil Demirezen wrote:
What I would like to point out here is, totally over the world claims
that debian is being obsolete. New releases are
Francesco Paolo Lovergine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 05:10:24PM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
Interessting analysis. Many things that hold up the release can only be
solved by active and experienced maintainers since the packages are often
essential. New developers can
Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 01:32:20PM -0500, Chris Cheney wrote:
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 08:01:35PM +0200, Francesco Paolo Lovergine wrote:
Someone should point NMs to difficulty of entering the development
mainstream of FreeBSD or becoming maintainer
Chris Cheney [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Debian has had a very slow NM process for a very long time, it took over
a year for me to be processed when I became DD in July 2000. That was
before the new NM queue structure that is in place now. The only people
actually waiting that long now (aiui)
Chris Cheney [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 01:41:45PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote:
On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Chris Cheney wrote:
Not to toot my own horn, but I was accepted in under one week. I took 2
weeks
to read up on everything, then after I sent in my app, less than a
Adam Majer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 02:38:34PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote:
Anyway, waiting for DAM for some months now. I guess it has been
4-5 months now. I asked him on IRC when he might get arround to
my application, but he just said when he has time...
He actually
Tollef Fog Heen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
* Craig Dickson
| Chris Cheney wrote:
|
| The only people
| actually waiting that long now (aiui) are people James does not want in
| the project at all.
|
| Then why are they left hanging indefinitely rather than being rejected?
On Thursday 07 August 2003 03:40, Joe Wreschnig wrote:
Face it - no free software project is easy to join (except apparently
KDE...)
I think not even that is exactly true either, since the skills required to get
a cvs account for KDE are surely somewhat above our NM checks[1]. You usually
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:41:40AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Working on boot-floppies and debian-installer is not realy fruitfull
as non-DD. cvs access goes a long way there.
I must have severe reading and parsing problems today, because I don't
understand what you are saying. The way
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 08:17:43PM +0200, Oliver Kurth wrote:
So letting NMs wait for months without notice makes it better?
Please explain this to me.
Personally, I think that this is the major problem with the process at
the moment. If it takes the applicant 2 years to get through the
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:44:07AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
I don't know the current average time for a NM to get
through the queue but I would guess at it being around 3-4 months.
How can that be with the DAM only accepting a few people every 6
month or so? Whats the average
However, I think it's unacceptable to expect an applicant stay in
limbo without any update as to the process of their application. I'm
quite happy to wait for a long time, as long as I know that something is
happening, albit slowly.
While I was reading that, I would like to say here,
For
Martin Sjögren [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:41:40AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Working on boot-floppies and debian-installer is not realy fruitfull
as non-DD. cvs access goes a long way there.
I must have severe reading and parsing problems today, because I
Halil Demirezen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
However, I think it's unacceptable to expect an applicant stay in
limbo without any update as to the process of their application. I'm
quite happy to wait for a long time, as long as I know that something is
happening, albit slowly.
While I
Le jeudi 7 août 2003, Goswin von Brederlow écrit :
Chris Cheney [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[...]
Also, it seems like most DD's don't maintain many packages anyway. Yes
there are other things that a DD can do other than just maintain
packages, like help with web translations, boot floppies,
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:59:41PM +0300, Halil Demirezen wrote:
While I was reading that, I would like to say here, For example, even
after checked ID, I am not pointed as checked ID. This is even
discouraging. I am asking myself what is happening wrong with what I
cant see the process though
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:30:35AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Someone should point NMs to difficulty of entering the development
mainstream of FreeBSD or becoming maintainer for the kernel...
IMO it's generally too easy entering in Debian.
You can get access to the gcc cvs
Moin Goswin!
Goswin von Brederlow schrieb am Thursday, den 07. August 2003:
Working on boot-floppies and debian-installer is not realy fruitfull
as non-DD. cvs access goes a long way there.
I must have severe reading and parsing problems today, because I don't
understand what you are
On [06/08/03 17:29], Halil Demirezen wrote:
What I would like to point out here is, totally over the world claims
that debian is being obsolete. New releases are so slow. Yes they are
Why do you you think that over the world Debian is being obsolete?
Do you have some evidence or proof
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:50:03AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Tollef Fog Heen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Then he should spend the 10 minutes it takes to implement a reject
button on the webpage he can just press to reject someone.
After that rejecting would be a matter of seconds.
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:33:08PM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
What we need is a database with simple mailing list function (similar to
PTS) where willing sponsors for a certain package can subscribe and
sponsorees with much motivation can send diffs for the next version
upgrade. Easy to
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 04:25:03PM +0200, Francesco Paolo Lovergine wrote:
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:50:03AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Tollef Fog Heen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Then he should spend the 10 minutes it takes to implement a reject
button on the webpage he can just
Francesco Paolo Lovergine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:30:35AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Someone should point NMs to difficulty of entering the development
mainstream of FreeBSD or becoming maintainer for the kernel...
IMO it's generally too easy
Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Moin Goswin!
Goswin von Brederlow schrieb am Thursday, den 07. August 2003:
Working on boot-floppies and debian-installer is not realy fruitfull
as non-DD. cvs access goes a long way there.
I must have severe reading and parsing problems
Francesco Paolo Lovergine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:50:03AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Tollef Fog Heen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Then he should spend the 10 minutes it takes to implement a reject
button on the webpage he can just press to reject
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 05:42:36PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Maybe an interface/filter for the bts that gives one a more easy
access to packages with patches pending would be a start. Or a system
Try http://bugs.debian.org/tag:patch .
--
You grabbed my hand and we fell into it, like
Le jeudi 7 août 2003, Goswin von Brederlow écrit :
WE NMs WANT FEEDBACK. Someone please tell the DAM already to activate
YOU, not 'we', YOU are impatient, YOU are cannot wait any more,
I am waiting for DAM approval, so I just wait...
Nicolas Bertolissio
--
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 06:00:53PM +0200, Nicolas Bertolissio wrote:
Le jeudi 7 ao?t 2003, Goswin von Brederlow ?crit :
WE NMs WANT FEEDBACK. Someone please tell the DAM already to
activate
YOU, not 'we', YOU are impatient, YOU are cannot wait any more,
I am waiting for DAM approval, so I
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 05:42:36PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Maybe an interface/filter for the bts that gives one a more easy
access to packages with patches pending would be a start.
Good grief, how easy do we have to make it?
http://bugs.debian.org/tag:patch
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:47:38AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Adam Majer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 02:38:34PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote:
Anyway, waiting for DAM for some months now. I guess it has been
4-5 months now. I asked him on IRC when he might get
On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 19:39, Oliver Bausinger wrote:
On Wednesday 06 August 2003 20:01, Francesco Paolo Lovergine wrote:
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 05:10:24PM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
Interessting analysis. Many things that hold up the release can only be
solved by active and experienced
Le jeudi 7 août 2003, Jamin W. Collins écrit :
[...]
Are you saying that you do not want, and would not welcome,
feedback on your application?
No,
I'm not asking whether you would clamor
for updates, but whether receiving them would be a problem for you?
No, but I don't need any, I just have
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:27:00AM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote:
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 08:31:23PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
It runs deeper than that. If you aren't sufficiently interested to do
the work for its own sake, why the hell are you trying to join Debian
in the first place?
Nicolas Bertolissio [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Le jeudi 7 août 2003, Jamin W. Collins écrit :
[...]
Are you saying that you do not want, and would not welcome,
feedback on your application?
No,
I'm not asking whether you would clamor
for updates, but whether receiving them would be a
Mark Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 05:42:36PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Maybe an interface/filter for the bts that gives one a more easy
access to packages with patches pending would be a start. Or a system
Try http://bugs.debian.org/tag:patch .
Still
Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 05:42:36PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Maybe an interface/filter for the bts that gives one a more easy
access to packages with patches pending would be a start.
Good grief, how easy do we have to make it?
Adam Majer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:47:38AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Adam Majer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 02:38:34PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote:
Anyway, waiting for DAM for some months now. I guess it has been
4-5 months
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:23:17 +0100
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:27:00AM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote:
Because you think it's an awesome group with laudable goals and you
want to contribute?
TBH, that's a lousy reason to join Debian. Send a cheque or
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:06:39PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:23:17 +0100
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:27:00AM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote:
Because you think it's an awesome group with laudable goals and you
want to contribute?
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 20:23:48 +0100
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:06:39PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:23:17 +0100
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:27:00AM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote:
Because
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 08:50:36PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Mark Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 05:42:36PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Maybe an interface/filter for the bts that gives one a more easy
access to packages with patches pending
Steve Lamb wrote:
No. But you said that the opposite is the wrong reason. If we like
Debian it is a bad reason to want to contribute. So the it is only
logical to presume that if you feel liking is a bad reason disliking
might very well be a good one.
This is logical? In what universe?
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:56:24PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 20:23:48 +0100
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:06:39PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:23:17 +0100
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Aug
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 05:10:01PM +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote:
I've always thought KDE a wonderful example of what happens when you
give commit access to just about anybody too.
Scott
(GNOME user)
Oh you mean the fact that KDE has rapid development... Yep. ;)
Chris
Andrew Suffield wrote:
Because you think it's an awesome group with laudable goals and you
want to contribute?
TBH, that's a lousy reason to join Debian. Send a cheque or something.
Yeah, but Debian isn't *that* awesome before I decide to join (and am
accepted). ;)
Cheers
T.
P.S.: SCNR
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:02:20PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Also aren't mails between AM, DAM, Advocate and NM archived somewhere?
This is not the case for at least the AM-NM mails. Also, advocating
someone is basically just a virtual tick in a box.
--
You grabbed my hand and we
Andrew Suffield wrote:
I'm not sure there are any good ones other than having some specific
(technical, not political) things you want to see done and are willing
to do. In that case, you won't have to be told to demonstrate stuff -
you'll just do it, because you want to.
Wrong. There have been
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:23:20 +0100
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Of course that isn't true, I was just showing the farce of your
statement. Obviously you want people who like the project to contribute.
You have failed miserably at understanding my statement. I do not want
people
Incidentally, the entire NM system seems geared toward package
maintainers only, if you read the web pages. (That was not
particularly encouraging.)
It seems in that way. However, AM asks you what to do in Debian.
When you choose a specific section, You are not supposed to know
that issue.
On Thursday 07 August 2003 09:51, Yven Johannes Leist wrote:
I think not even that is exactly true either, since the skills required to
get a cvs account for KDE are surely somewhat above our NM checks[1]. You
usually need to have a whole application written by yourself to get an
account, and
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:29:03 -0700
Craig Dickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Andrew said that merely liking Debian wasn't a good enough reason to
want to join the project.
No, he said it wasn't a good reason. No enough.
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TBH, that's a lousy reason to join Debian.
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:49:28 -0500
Chris Cheney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 05:10:01PM +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote:
I've always thought KDE a wonderful example of what happens when you
give commit access to just about anybody too.
Scott
(GNOME user)
Oh you
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