Re: BDF Considered Harmful?

2009-03-14 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 05:36:27PM -0700, Paul Hardy wrote: A BDF file can contain any number of properties describing the font in the header, for example CAP_HEIGHT and X_HEIGHT.  Maybe there's no harm in losing this information through format conversion.  I This is a precise example of

Re: BDF Considered Harmful?

2009-03-13 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 01:19:47AM -0700, Paul Hardy wrote: The only advantage is in preserving all information if (and only if) the original font is in BDF format. It seemed harmless to me if the That's not an advantage per se. Either you know that some of that information are useful for the

Re: BDF Considered Harmful?

2009-03-13 Thread Paul Hardy
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 12:45 AM, Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org wrote: On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 01:19:47AM -0700, Paul Hardy wrote: The only advantage is in preserving all information if (and only if) the original font is in BDF format.  It seemed harmless to me if the That's not an

Re: BDF Considered Harmful?

2009-03-12 Thread Paul Hardy
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 01:14:03PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: I fail to see the difference between a BDF-to-PCF converter and a C compiler that will discard comments from the C source files. Yet we do not generally

BDF Considered Harmful?

2009-03-11 Thread Paul Hardy
BDF font files have not been allowed in Debian packages for a while, as per Debian policy. I emailed Russ Allbery last year about the possibility of allowing BDF fonts back into Debian for reasons that follow. He was willing to entertain the idea. I waited for the lenny release before bringing

Re: BDF Considered Harmful?

2009-03-11 Thread Richard Atterer
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 01:07:56AM -0700, Paul Hardy wrote: However, the original BDF version can contain ASCII comments that are not preserved in the PCF version. These comments often contain information such as author, copyright, and licensing information. With the BDF versions discarded,

Re: BDF Considered Harmful?

2009-03-11 Thread Julien Cristau
On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 12:15 +0100, Richard Atterer wrote: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 01:07:56AM -0700, Paul Hardy wrote: However, the original BDF version can contain ASCII comments that are not preserved in the PCF version. These comments often contain information such as author, copyright,

Re: BDF Considered Harmful?

2009-03-11 Thread Bill Allombert
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 01:07:56AM -0700, Paul Hardy wrote: BDF font files have not been allowed in Debian packages for a while, as per Debian policy. I emailed Russ Allbery last year about the possibility of allowing BDF fonts back into Debian for reasons that follow. He was willing to

Re: BDF Considered Harmful?

2009-03-11 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 01:14:03PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: I fail to see the difference between a BDF-to-PCF converter and a C compiler that will discard comments from the C source files. Yet we do not generally ship C source code in binary packages. This is not the right analogy. A C

Re: BDF Considered Harmful?

2009-03-11 Thread Brian May
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: This is not the right analogy. A C source file by itself cannot be run without having been compiled while, AFAICT from the given description, a BDF source file can be. Make an analogy with Perl source file, it will work better: they do have copyright notices and

Re: BDF Considered Harmful?

2009-03-11 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 09:26:07AM +1100, Brian May wrote: A question I have and that hasn't been addressed by the original request is: what is the advantage to have BDF files in binary packages? Comments and copyright notices don't look like a real advantage to me. Copyright notices

Re: BDF Considered Harmful?

2009-03-11 Thread Ben Finney
Brian May br...@microcomaustralia.com.au writes: Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: This is not the right analogy. A C source file by itself cannot be run without having been compiled while, AFAICT from the given description, a BDF source file can be. Make an analogy with Perl source file, it

Re: BDF Considered Harmful?

2009-03-11 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:31:48AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Brian May br...@microcomaustralia.com.au writes: Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: This is not the right analogy. A C source file by itself cannot be run without having been compiled while, AFAICT from the given description, a BDF

Re: BDF Considered Harmful?

2009-03-11 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 01:07:56AM -0700, Paul Hardy wrote: In addition, PCF format fonts are gzipped on Debian systems as per Debian Policy. If BDF fonts are also gzipped, there is little difference in size between the two formats so the advantage of the binary PCF format over the ASCII BDF