Re: Developer Workload and Sustainability

2023-07-03 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Fri 30 Jun 2023 at 12:31PM +02, Ansgar wrote: > We've had a decade of that about systemd, probably more if one looks at > Pulseaudio, GNOME and other things. Eventually we might reach a point > where we might want to stop that. Sadly I don't see you asking for that > to happen, rather

Re: Developer Workload and Sustainability

2023-06-30 Thread Ansgar
Hi Sean, On Fri, 2023-06-30 at 11:14 +0100, Sean Whitton wrote: > It's understandable that you'd feel frustrated by what seems like a > misrepresentation of your project's organisation and ethos, but > please try to avoid this sort of rhetoric. Fancy idea: how about we ask people to *stop*

Re: Developer Workload and Sustainability

2023-06-30 Thread Ansgar
On Fri, 2023-06-30 at 11:10 +0100, Sean Whitton wrote: > On Wed 28 Jun 2023 at 06:20PM +02, Ansgar wrote: > > > On Thu, 2023-06-29 at 00:32 +0900, Simon Richter wrote: > > > According to Policy as currently published, systemd units are > > > encouraged, and init scripts are mandatory. > > > >

Re: Developer Workload and Sustainability

2023-06-30 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Wed 28 Jun 2023 at 06:17PM +01, Luca Boccassi wrote: > Let's look at some community numbers for two init system projects in > question, we like to look at hard data after all, don't we. To spicy > it up, without mentioning which is which: > > $ git shortlog -s | cut -c8- | wc -l > 2318

Re: Developer Workload and Sustainability

2023-06-30 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Wed 28 Jun 2023 at 06:20PM +02, Ansgar wrote: > On Thu, 2023-06-29 at 00:32 +0900, Simon Richter wrote: >> According to Policy as currently published, systemd units are >> encouraged, and init scripts are mandatory. > > Please stop lying: Please assume good faith. There is no reason

Re: Developer Workload and Sustainability

2023-06-28 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 at 17:20, Ansgar wrote: > > Hi Simon, > > On Thu, 2023-06-29 at 00:32 +0900, Simon Richter wrote: > > According to Policy as currently published, systemd units are > > encouraged, and init scripts are mandatory. > > Please stop lying: > > +--- > | Packages that include system

Re: Developer Workload and Sustainability

2023-06-28 Thread Simon Richter
Hi Russ, On 6/29/23 01:58, Russ Allbery wrote: According to Policy as currently published, systemd units are encouraged, and init scripts are mandatory. I thought I found and fixed all of the places init scripts were said to be mandatory, but apparently I missed one. Could you file a bug

Re: Developer Workload and Sustainability

2023-06-28 Thread Russ Allbery
Simon Richter writes: > According to Policy as currently published, systemd units are > encouraged, and init scripts are mandatory. I thought I found and fixed all of the places init scripts were said to be mandatory, but apparently I missed one. Could you file a bug and point it out? That

Re: Developer Workload and Sustainability

2023-06-28 Thread Ansgar
Hi Simon, On Thu, 2023-06-29 at 00:32 +0900, Simon Richter wrote: > According to Policy as currently published, systemd units are > encouraged, and init scripts are mandatory. Please stop lying: +--- | Packages that include system services should include systemd service | units to start or