Re: Stop vi discussion

1998-06-16 Thread John Goerzen
AE continues to seem terribly buggy. The keystrokes inexplicably seem different every time I use it. Sometimes F10 means save, other times its ^W. Often, the arrow keys are non-functional. It is very rare to get it to do both a backspace and delete operation. Joe, BTW, has its native

Re: Stop vi discussion

1998-06-16 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
Yann Now another idea would be jed. It's quite small (but maybe bigger Yann than joe, don't know, don't have joe installed any more), uses Yann S-lang, is emacs-likee, has vi emulation AFAIK. jed is currently without a maintainer, and the hamm version has too many bugs. The previous

Re: Stop vi discussion

1998-06-16 Thread Dan Jacobowitz
On Mon, Jun 15, 1998 at 12:34:38PM +0200, Yann Dirson wrote: Andreas Jellinghaus writes: what then ? joe. Well, that's IMHO an idea worth worth studying. When I first installed Linux, I was coming from DOS and Borland's editors, which joe mimics quite closely. And joe, like ae,

Re: Stop vi discussion

1998-06-16 Thread Yann Dirson
Dirk Eddelbuettel writes: Yann Now another idea would be jed. It's quite small (but maybe bigger Yann than joe, don't know, don't have joe installed any more), uses Yann S-lang, is emacs-likee, has vi emulation AFAIK. jed is currently without a maintainer, and the hamm version

Re: Stop vi discussion

1998-06-16 Thread wnpp
Yann == Yann Dirson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yann ...that reminds me... does anybody knows what has happened to Yann the periodic WNPP listing ? This kind of package really needs a Yann new maintainer ! Well, IMHO, at least... Maybe I'll volunteer, Yann but not right now... anyway it's too

Re: Stop vi discussion

1998-06-15 Thread john
I wrote: Vi and emacs should be able to use any editor. That should read 'Vi and emacs users should be able to use any editor.' ^ I can't get my wife to try anything but vi, though. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI

Stop vi discussion

1998-06-15 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
what do you want on the rescue disk ? - your favorite editor ? that's not possible, we cannot include every editor - only __your__ favorite editor ? hey, that's unfair. and if it's emacs : too big. - a strpped down version of all editors ? great: everyone will be

Re: Stop vi discussion

1998-06-15 Thread Yann Dirson
Andreas Jellinghaus writes: what then ? joe. Well, that's IMHO an idea worth worth studying. When I first installed Linux, I was coming from DOS and Borland's editors, which joe mimics quite closely. As a newbie, learning vi or emacs was not a short-term goal - I had to do some effective

Re: Stop vi discussion

1998-06-15 Thread Raul Miller
Andreas Jellinghaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you may flame me, but you have to write the flame with joe. Ok, I'm writing my response in joe. [Is it a flame? I hope not.] ae is about 24k, 12k when compressed with gzexe, joe is about 174k, 82k when compressed with gzexe. For this you get a

Re: Stop vi discussion

1998-06-15 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Mon, Jun 15, 1998 at 09:38:16AM +0200, I mangled and reordered what Andreas Jellinghaus wrote: you may flame me, but you have to write the flame with joe. You asked for it... ~$ echo $EDITOR joe ~$ [if not emacs or vi or ae,] what then ? joe. How dare you come up with such a logical

Re: Stop vi discussion

1998-06-15 Thread john
andreas writes: ae is nice, if want a crippeled, but very small editor. what then ? joe. Just tried it. It's good enough for rescue disk use, but so is ae. And joe is way too big. Anything that fits is ok on the rescue disk, as long as the user knows it's there. joe is useable for vi

Re: Stop vi discussion

1998-06-15 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
Well, that's IMHO an idea worth worth studying. When I first installed Linux, I was coming from DOS and Borland's editors, which joe mimics quite closely. i know lots of people who came from DOS. know they use vi or emacs, but they started useing linux with joe. they still know enought to

Re: Stop vi discussion

1998-06-15 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
[if not emacs or vi or ae,] what then ? joe. How dare you come up with such a logical solution to the problem! And how can you be so unfair as to include my favorite editor but not everyone else's? heh. joe is not my favorite editor. it's the first editor i could use on linux. now i'm