Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

Hi Wouter, Le mer. 5 oct. 2022 à 09:21, Wouter Verhelst a écrit : > > I'm not familiar enough yet with pipewire to know which tools to use to > debug what went wrong. Can you point me to the relevant docs? Once I > have a better idea of what went wrong, expect a bug report coming your > way ;-)

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

Hi Dylan, Something in pipewire caused my laptop to lose all audio. Since I work remotely and need to attend meetings over various video conferencing tools, that was not an option for me, so I reverted back to pulseaudio by removing everything from src:pipewire from my laptop and rebooting, which

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

On 2022-09-29 01:41, Simon McVittie wrote: > It's fine to control Pipewire via PulseAudio's IPC protocol (that's what > gnome-control-center and gnome-shell do!) and if that doesn't work, > then it means pipewire-pulse is not fully doing its job. Is it fine, or is it a necessity? What I

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

On Sun, Oct 02, 2022 at 07:29:31PM +0100, Jonathan McDowell wrote: > On Thu, Sep 08, 2022 at 05:58:25PM +0200, Dylan Aïssi wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I have been asked several times regarding when Debian will switch its > > default > > sound server from PulseAudio to PipeWire without having an

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

On Thu, Sep 08, 2022 at 05:58:25PM +0200, Dylan Aïssi wrote: > Hi, > > I have been asked several times regarding when Debian will switch its default > sound server from PulseAudio to PipeWire without having an official answer. > Thus, I suppose it's the right time to start a discussion about

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 02:26:03PM +0200, Emanuele Rocca wrote: > [1] I already have alsa, jack, pulseaudio, pipewire packages > installed... At least no oss anymore! :) Since OSS is completely in-kernel, you actually do :-) (and yes, it still works. I own some ancient non-free games, they only

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 04:26:45PM +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote: On 2022-09-29 15:01, Michael Stone wrote: On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 09:02:15PM -0600, Sam Hartman wrote: * Finally, I can use bluetooth on linux with reasonably good audio  quality! Aren't they both using the same backend?

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 at 16:26:45 +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote: > Pipewire has AAC, but not in Debian because libfdk-aac is still considered > non-free by us while everyone else, including the FSF, consider it free. See also . A version of fdk-aac that moves it to

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

On 2022-09-29 15:01, Michael Stone wrote: On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 09:02:15PM -0600, Sam Hartman wrote: * Finally, I can use bluetooth on linux with reasonably good audio  quality! Aren't they both using the same backend? ldac/aptx weren't in pulseaudio for a long time, but they are now. Or

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 09:02:15PM -0600, Sam Hartman wrote: * Finally, I can use bluetooth on linux with reasonably good audio quality! Aren't they both using the same backend? ldac/aptx weren't in pulseaudio for a long time, but they are now. Or is there something else?

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

On September 29, 2022 12:26:03 PM UTC, Emanuele Rocca wrote: >Hi, > >On 2022-09-08 05:58, Dylan Aïssi wrote: >> I have been asked several times regarding when Debian will switch its default >> sound server from PulseAudio to PipeWire without having an official answer. >> Thus, I suppose it's the

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 at 14:26:03 +0200, Emanuele Rocca wrote: > Sound still works fine, but how to do things like changing volume, > toggling mute, choosing between HDMI and headphones, ...? Well-integrated desktop environments should have this built in (GNOME certainly does). If you're building

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

Hi, On 2022-09-08 05:58, Dylan Aïssi wrote: > I have been asked several times regarding when Debian will switch its default > sound server from PulseAudio to PipeWire without having an official answer. > Thus, I suppose it's the right time to start a discussion about that. PipeWire seems to be

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

Le 29/09/2022 à 00:30, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer a écrit : Hi, On Tue, 13 Sept 2022 at 13:39, Antoine Beaupré wrote: [snip] I also have the feeling that pipewire has already gone beyond what pulseaudio is capable of in terms of Bluetooth support, but I might be mistaken on that.

Jack client in PipeWire [was: Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio]

Hi, Le 29/09/2022 à 05:02, Sam Hartman a écrit : * If you do need jackd for real because pipewire's jack isn't quite good enough, pipewire's jack client didn't work at all last time I used it. So you may be forced to shut down wireplumber and pipewire and start up pulseaudio. FWIW,

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

> "Dylan" == Dylan Aïssi writes: Dylan> We cannot talk about PipeWire without mentioning its session Dylan> manager. Thus, this change should go along the switch of the Dylan> default session manager, i.e. from the deprecated Dylan> pipewire-media-session to WirePlumber. We

Re: Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

Hi, On Tue, 13 Sept 2022 at 13:39, Antoine Beaupré wrote: [snip] > I also have the feeling that pipewire has already gone beyond what > pulseaudio is capable of in terms of Bluetooth support, but I might be > mistaken on that. Well, with pulseaudio I always needed to run the following each time

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

On 2022-09-08 17:58:25 +0200, Dylan Aïssi wrote: > We cannot talk about PipeWire without mentioning its session manager. > Thus, this change should go along the switch of the default session manager, > i.e. from the deprecated pipewire-media-session to WirePlumber. > We still use

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 4:53 PM Diederik de Haas wrote: > I think there currently aren't that many Debian users which do use PW and I > think that switching the default audio provider in all of Debian (not just > Gnome) is FAR more involved then the impression I got from this ML thread. At least

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

On 23 February 2022, I wrote this in https://bugs.debian.org/999363#35: On 23 Feb 2022 17:21:29 +0100 Diederik de Haas wrote: > On 10 Nov 2021 15:40:21 +0100 Sebastien Bacher wrote: > > Switching the default sound service is an option but should probably be > > a project discussion and not a

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

Le jeu. 15 sept. 2022 à 03:21, Ben Hutchings a écrit : > > I understand that applications with very low latency requirements may > need this sort of performance tweaking. But this is not the normal > case, and PulseAudio hasn't required this. If PipeWire does, I think > that's a serious

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 06:13:35PM +0530, Nilesh Patra wrote: As far as I can see, the latest "new upstream" upload to unstable was in "2021-08-25" which is more than an year from now, post which there have been few bug fix uploads. More notable upload has been the one that enables gstreamer

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 08:22:52AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 07:25:12PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > > Am 13.09.22 um 18:17 schrieb Antoine Beaupré: > > > I also have the feeling that pipewire has already gone beyond what > > > pulseaudio is capable of in terms of

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 07:25:12PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: Am 13.09.22 um 18:17 schrieb Antoine Beaupré: I also have the feeling that pipewire has already gone beyond what pulseaudio is capable of in terms of Bluetooth support, but I might be mistaken on that. Interesting. What do you

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 11:36 PM Felipe Sateler wrote: > What does "switch right now" mean? Just switching gnome-core? What about > the other users? They would all have to switch their order from > `pulseaudio | pipewire-pulse` to `pipewire-pulse | pulseaudio`. Otherwise > you would have a

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

Hi! On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 11:56:00 +0200, Dylan Aïssi wrote: > Le mar. 13 sept. 2022 à 19:25, Michael Biebl a écrit > : >> >> Afaics, Dylan asked mostly if we should do the switch. He didn't give >> any personal recommendation or preference. At least that's how I read >> his initial email. > >

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

On Wed, 2022-09-14 at 11:56 +0200, Dylan Aïssi wrote: [...] > The issue mentioned here regarding choppy audio in case of high CPU load and > related rtkit errors messages, should be reduced with the next pkg version. > As recommended by upstream [4], it will create a pipewire system group and set

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

Am Mi, Sep 14, 2022 at 08:41:32 -0400 schrieb Jeremy Bicha: I believe you are significantly overstating the consequences of this switch. It is just a dependency swap in meta-gnome3. The vast majority Maybe, but I remember when pulseaudio was forced upon us, even when it was not really ready

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 8:07 AM Marvin Renich wrote: > A library transition that affects many rev-deps but is otherwise > transparent to the end user is completely different from changing the > audio stack where the end user will be required to learn a new set of > tools and configuration

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

* Dylan Aïssi [220914 05:57]: > Le mer. 14 sept. 2022 à 03:08, Felipe Sateler a écrit : > > > > Dylan, have you thought about how a transition plan would look like? > > Now, regarding the transition plan, I propose to switch right now to pipewire. > This give us 4 months until the "transition

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

Le mar. 13 sept. 2022 à 19:25, Michael Biebl a écrit : > > Afaics, Dylan asked mostly if we should do the switch. He didn't give > any personal recommendation or preference. At least that's how I read > his initial email. I have a basic usage of pipewire, I only listen to music and make video

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

Hi all, Thanks for CCing me Michael, I would have missed this thread. On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 2:25 PM Michael Biebl wrote: > Hi > > Am 13.09.22 um 18:17 schrieb Antoine Beaupré: > > On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 12:17:23 +, Holger Levsen wrote: > >> On Fri, Sep 09, 2022 at 09:38:39PM +0200, Michael

Re: Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

Thanks Antoine and Dylan for those two mails today, now I have a much better understanding of the reasons for switching! -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ OpenPGP: B8BF54137B09D35CF026FE9D 091AB856069AAA1C ⠈⠳⣄ Everyone

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

Hi Am 13.09.22 um 18:17 schrieb Antoine Beaupré: On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 12:17:23 +, Holger Levsen wrote: On Fri, Sep 09, 2022 at 09:38:39PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: Should we repeat this mistake? Or put this differently: is there a pressing need/compelling reason to switch to pipewire in

Re: Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 12:17:23 +, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Fri, Sep 09, 2022 at 09:38:39PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > > Should we repeat this mistake? Or put this differently: is there a pressing > > need/compelling reason to switch to pipewire in bookworm? > > I.e. what I miss from the

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

Le ven. 9 sept. 2022 à 21:39, Michael Biebl a écrit : > > Should we repeat this mistake? Or put this differently: is there a > pressing need/compelling reason to switch to pipewire in bookworm? > I.e. what I miss from the proposal are the benefits of pipewire over > pulseaudio. > Can you

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 11:59 AM Dylan Aïssi wrote: > I have been asked several times regarding when Debian will switch its default > sound server from PulseAudio to PipeWire without having an official answer. I think it's a good idea to switch the Debian GNOME default sound service to PipeWire

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

On Fri, Sep 09, 2022 at 09:38:39PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > Should we repeat this mistake? Or put this differently: is there a pressing > need/compelling reason to switch to pipewire in bookworm? > I.e. what I miss from the proposal are the benefits of pipewire over > pulseaudio. > Can you

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

On Fri, 2022-09-09 at 15:06 +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote: > I also had this issue. This was greatly improved since May and I am > now using it instead of PulseAudio. Check that you have rtkit-daemon > installed. It helps. I have rtkit installed, running and working for my UID according to the

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

Am 08.09.22 um 17:58 schrieb Dylan Aïssi: Hi, I have been asked several times regarding when Debian will switch its default sound server from PulseAudio to PipeWire without having an official answer. Thus, I suppose it's the right time to start a discussion about that. I really like the idea

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

Le ven. 9 sept. 2022 à 15:06, Vincent Bernat a écrit : > On 2022-09-09 04:51, Paul Wise wrote: > > On Thu, 2022-09-08 at 17:58 +0200, Dylan Aïssi wrote: > > > >> I have been asked several times regarding when Debian will switch its > default > >> sound server from PulseAudio to PipeWire without

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

On 2022-09-09 04:51, Paul Wise wrote: On Thu, 2022-09-08 at 17:58 +0200, Dylan Aïssi wrote: I have been asked several times regarding when Debian will switch its default sound server from PulseAudio to PipeWire without having an official answer. Thus, I suppose it's the right time to start a

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

On Thu, 2022-09-08 at 17:58 +0200, Dylan Aïssi wrote: > I have been asked several times regarding when Debian will switch its default > sound server from PulseAudio to PipeWire without having an official answer. > Thus, I suppose it's the right time to start a discussion about that. I switched

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

On Thu, Sep 08, 2022 at 05:58:25PM +0200, Dylan Aïssi wrote: > I have been asked several times regarding when Debian will switch its default > sound server from PulseAudio to PipeWire without having an official answer. > Thus, I suppose it's the right time to start a discussion about that. If

Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

Hi, I have been asked several times regarding when Debian will switch its default sound server from PulseAudio to PipeWire without having an official answer. Thus, I suppose it's the right time to start a discussion about that. As you know, PipeWire is already installed by default with Bullseye