]] Vincent Lefevre
On 2013-04-02 21:06:30 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
Just to expand slightly on this, the problem you're both poking at is
that during a freeze, our incentives are directed towards fixing RC bugs
(because then we can release, which means we can then do what we prefer
On 04/01/2013 03:11 PM, Benjamin Drung wrote:
We had a move of not ubuntu-specific script from ubuntu-dev-tools 0.124
to devscripts 2.11.0 two years ago. These scripts were add-patch,
edit-patch, suspicious-source, what-patch, and wrap-and-sort. Maybe it's
time to do it again.
We have
For anybody who wants to hack away at an enhanced diagram for their own
*-buildpackage workflow, I've attached to my blog a copy of the raw dia file
http://danielpocock.com/sites/danielpocock.com/files/release-packaging-workflow.dia
It is shared under the GPL v3 terms
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Am Donnerstag, den 04.04.2013, 09:33 +0200 schrieb Thomas Bechtold:
On 04/01/2013 03:11 PM, Benjamin Drung wrote:
We had a move of not ubuntu-specific script from ubuntu-dev-tools 0.124
to devscripts 2.11.0 two years ago. These scripts were add-patch,
edit-patch, suspicious-source,
It seems that Historical Revisionism, of the bad kind, is now in
operation at Debian, in that critical commentary about unapplied patches
is made to disappear down the memory hole, without leaving so much as a
trace on the relevant bug report.
If it were thought that the criticism was unfair, or
Hi Ian,
On Thu, April 4, 2013 12:27, ian_br...@fastmail.net wrote:
It seems that Historical Revisionism, of the bad kind, is now in
operation at Debian, in that critical commentary about unapplied patches
is made to disappear down the memory hole, without leaving so much as a
trace on the
Hi Ian,
(dropping the bug in CC, as it has nothing to do with it).
Le jeudi, 4 avril 2013 12.27:01, ian_br...@fastmail.net a écrit :
It seems that Historical Revisionism, of the bad kind, is now in
operation at Debian, in that critical commentary about unapplied patches
is made to disappear
On Thu, 2013-04-04 at 03:27 -0700, ian_br...@fastmail.net wrote:
It seems that Historical Revisionism, of the bad kind, is now in
operation at Debian, in that critical commentary about unapplied patches
is made to disappear down the memory hole, without leaving so much as a
trace on the
On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 13:09:30 +0200
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud o...@debian.org wrote:
If it were thought that the criticism was unfair, or inaccurate, then
it could be allowed to remain in place, so that other people might
judge its lack of merit for themselves.
In the case of bug #684128, post
(No need to CC me, I'm subscribed).
Le jeudi, 4 avril 2013 15.17:09, ian_br...@fastmail.net a écrit :
When read in the context of that particular bug report, I don't see how
it could possibly be any more relevant, since it refers directly to the
discussion above.
I disagree: that mail starts
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud, le Thu 04 Apr 2013 15:45:17 +0200, a écrit :
(No need to CC me, I'm subscribed).
Le jeudi, 4 avril 2013 15.17:09, ian_br...@fastmail.net a écrit :
When read in the context of that particular bug report, I don't see how
it could possibly be any more relevant, since it
Hi,
as a non-regular planet reader I'd like to move the discussion here. I
have read the following blog entries
[1] http://joeyh.name/blog/entry/upstream_git_repositories/
[2] http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/journal/2013-04/001.html
[3] http://thomas.goirand.fr/blog/?p=94
I personally would
On 04/04/2013 16:00, Andreas Tille wrote:
Hi,
as a non-regular planet reader I'd like to move the discussion here. I
have read the following blog entries
[1] http://joeyh.name/blog/entry/upstream_git_repositories/
[2] http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/journal/2013-04/001.html
[3]
On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 10:29:26PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
It seems that most reverse dependencies for iceweasel are l10n
packages and extensions, so that one can consider them as part
of the upgrade. The remaining dependencies seem to have a form
like iceweasel | www-browser. So, what
On 2013-04-04 16:00:34 +0200 (+0200), Andreas Tille wrote:
[...]
I can not see how Joey[1] and Daniel[3] would solve these problem when
they are not interested in upstream tarball releases any more.
It's worth pointing out, packagers should not assume just because an
upstream uses a VCS with
On 04/04/2013 10:25 PM, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
On 2013-04-04 16:00:34 +0200 (+0200), Andreas Tille wrote:
[...]
I can not see how Joey[1] and Daniel[3] would solve these problem when
they are not interested in upstream tarball releases any more.
It's worth pointing out, packagers should not
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On 2013-04-04 16:23:33 +0200, Philipp Kern wrote:
On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 10:29:26PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
It seems that most reverse dependencies for iceweasel are l10n
packages and extensions, so that one can consider them as part
of the upgrade. The remaining dependencies seem to
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On Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 04:11:31PM +0200, Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote:
Yesterday, however, I just had the case of a project with no
tarballs (as the library I wanted to package is part of a larger
project, it's not released independently). I stumbled (too long) on
having a good workflow for
On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 15:51:38 +0200
Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org wrote:
I disagree: that mail starts with a chat between Humpty Dumpty and
Alice, which both have nothing to do with the bug at hand. There
was nothing in the subject or the first paragraphs of the text that
indicated how
On Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 08:05:16AM -0700, ian_br...@fastmail.net wrote:
I disagree: that mail starts with a chat between Humpty Dumpty and
Alice, which both have nothing to do with the bug at hand. There
was nothing in the subject or the first paragraphs of the text that
indicated how that
ian_br...@fastmail.net, le Thu 04 Apr 2013 08:05:16 -0700, a écrit :
I do remember this mail, and I remember thinking uh, spamassassin
missed killing that spam without reading it all. Only the very end of
the mail doesn't look like spam, there's very little probability that
a maintainer
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On 04/04/2013 12:05 PM, ian_br...@fastmail.net wrote:
Do you think there is any way that the relevance of posts to a bug
report can be determined, without reference to the context in which they
appear, *all the preceeding discussion*?
So far as I can see, nobody doubts your intentions. But you
Jean-Christophe Dubacq jean-christophe.dub...@ens-lyon.org writes:
Yesterday, however, I just had the case of a project with no tarballs
(as the library I wanted to package is part of a larger project, it's
not released independently). I stumbled (too long) on having a good
workflow for this
]]
Which is to say, that Humpty-Dumpty's remarks are EXACTLY on point,
especially the part about neither more nor less.
The Debian bug tracking system is not a place for novels, novelettes or
short stories. Going on for lots of paragraphs and having your short
story be much longer than the
On Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 08:05:16AM -0700, ian_br...@fastmail.net wrote:
hard disk manufacturers, and their Debian apologists
And with that, I welcome you to my permanent blacklist.
It's one thing to engage people in constructive dialogue. It's another to
denigrate them or troll them.
Plonk.
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 12:45:55 -0300
Ben Armstrong sy...@debian.org wrote:
Just take care in future that the style of communications you used
triggered someone's wetware spam filter with a false positive.
I initially wrote up a detailed bug report, and then when somebody
suggested that the
I do remember this mail, and I remember thinking uh, spamassassin
missed killing that spam without reading it all. Only the very end of
the mail doesn't look like spam, there's very little probability that a
maintainer would have gone that far.
*I* did hit my Esc-L mutt macro on that mail,
for packaging
mistakes is a good practice (and I've thought so even before Ubuntu
existed). The main purpose of epochs is to be able to handle mistakes
or changes in the version numbering itself. Say upstream resets their
versioning from v450 to 0.0.0, or from date based 20130404 to 0.0.0
(although
On 04/05/2013 12:38 AM, Russ Allbery wrote:
Jean-Christophe Dubacq jean-christophe.dub...@ens-lyon.org writes:
Yesterday, however, I just had the case of a project with no tarballs
(as the library I wanted to package is part of a larger project, it's
not released independently). I stumbled
On Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 08:09:27PM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote:
Also as it can be seen on the archive, once
a version has been tainted (!?), uploaders tend to lower their
resistance to increase the epoch even further.
But once an epoch has been added, there is (arguably?) no problems with
Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org writes:
On 04/05/2013 12:38 AM, Russ Allbery wrote:
Using git archive to generate a tarball from upstream is something that
I do in some cases as well. It all depends on upstream's release
process. I default to using released tarballs if they exist and are
On Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 05:14:54PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
I wonder whether there are packaged extensions […]
So you didn't actually look. EOT from me, it's wasting my time.
Multiple transitions then get entangled.
I don't understand what you mean here. The freeze doesn't prevent
that
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On Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 12:07:42PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
Since the Debian archive needs the tarballs *anyway*, the small amount
of additional work required to use the upstream release tarballs so that
we're obviously consistent seems worth it.
FSVO small.
It's easy when the tarball is
Andrey Rahmatullin w...@wrar.name writes:
On Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 12:07:42PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
Since the Debian archive needs the tarballs *anyway*, the small amount
of additional work required to use the upstream release tarballs so
that we're obviously consistent seems worth it.
On 4 Apr 2013, at 20:16, Andrey Rahmatullin w...@wrar.name wrote:
otherwise the workflow becomes clumsier
Just to be clear, did you read Russ' blog - are you referring to the merge
trick he uses in his workflow for this purpose?
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On Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 08:21:44PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
otherwise the workflow becomes clumsier
Just to be clear, did you read Russ' blog - are you referring to the merge
trick he uses in his workflow for this purpose?
I've even owned the bug report that led to the Russ's approach
On 04/04/13 02:28 PM, ian_br...@fastmail.net wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 12:45:55 -0300
Ben Armstrong sy...@debian.org wrote:
Just take care in future that the style of communications you used
triggered someone's wetware spam filter with a false positive.
I initially wrote up a detailed
On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 19:09:04 +0200
Christian PERRIER bubu...@debian.org wrote:
This mail is a very good argument to confirm that overcomplicated
methods to make your point will just fail.
If you have a point to make it, make ti. Once. With facts.
I supplied plenty of facts.
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 16:45:26 -0300
Ben Armstrong sy...@debian.org wrote:
the long and sordid tale of your bid to get attention for this bug
That's right; I wrote it up in detail, provided patches when asked to do
so, provided test scripts to demonstrate the correctness of those
patches,
Quoting ian_br...@fastmail.net (ian_br...@fastmail.net):
If Debian bug report #684128 proves anything, it is that you will never
convince anyone with technical argument, facts advanced in support of
Sorry, but Debian bug #684128 only proves one thing : that we (the D-I
team) were mostly trying
On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 01:00:52AM +0600, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
But once an epoch has been added, there is (arguably?) no problems with
increasing it further.
You're not really increasing ugliness in that case, but you are
still screwing with any extant versioned relationships.
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Laurent Bigonville wrote:
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last week.
Total number of orphaned packages: 507 (new: 18)
Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 145 (new: 0)
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Urgency: low
Maintainer: Slavko li...@slavino.sk
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Description:
libnxt
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Urgency: low
Maintainer: Faidon Liambotis parav...@debian.org
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Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 06:49:30 -0500
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Version: 1.0.3-24
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Dirk Eddelbuettel e...@debian.org
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Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 13:51:25 +0200
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Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 11:39:32 +0200
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Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Faidon Liambotis parav...@debian.org
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Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:27:06 +0200
Source: vinagre
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Version: 3.8.0-1
Distribution: experimental
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers
pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
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Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:21:21 +0200
Source: vino
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Version: 3.8.0-1
Distribution: experimental
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers
pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
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Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 10:15:03 +0100
Source: gnomediaicons
Binary: dia-rib-network
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Version: 0.1-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian Dia Team pkg-dia-t...@lists.alioth.debian.org
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Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:47:10 +0100
Source: pugixml
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Version: 1.2-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Vasudev Kamath
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Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:33:12 +0200
Source: gnome-system-monitor
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Distribution: experimental
Urgency: low
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Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:57:47 +0200
Source: gnome-calculator
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Version: 3.8.0-1
Distribution: experimental
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers
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Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:59:29 +0200
Source: gnome-contacts
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Version: 3.8.0-1
Distribution: experimental
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers
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Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 11:39:30 +0200
Source: postgresql-8.4
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Version: 8.4.17-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: high
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Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 10:13:55 +0200
Source: postgresql-9.2
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postgresql-server-dev-9.2 postgresql-doc-9.2
20130404 (r197476) from the gcc-4_7-branch (4.7.3 release
candidate 1).
- Fix PR libstdc++/56012, PR libstdc++/56011, PR target/56529 (SH),
PR tree-optimization/55481, PR middle-end/52888, PR target/56351 (ARM),
PR tree-optimization/56443, PR c++/56543, PR lto/50293, PR c
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Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 21:34:30 +
Source: portalocker
Binary: python-portalocker
Architecture: source all
Version: 0.3~ds0-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Alessio Treglia ales...@debian.org
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