Accepted game-data-packager 36 (source all)

2013-10-25 Thread Jonathan Dowland
...@lists.alioth.debian.org Changed-By: Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org Description: game-data-packager - Installer for game data files Changes: game-data-packager (36) experimental; urgency=low . * Add support for Quake 2 Mission Pack: The Reckoning and Quake 2 Mission Pack: Ground Zero. * Tweak long

Re: systemd effectively mandatory now due to GNOME

2013-10-24 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 02:09:46AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: just recall the most epic flamewar in Debian's history), Peh it wasn't *that* epic. I recall some truly awful ones in around 2006 to which the systemd ones pale in comparison. (Do not interpret this as a challenge.) -- To

Re: systemd effectively mandatory now due to GNOME

2013-10-24 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 02:09:46AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: And I for one heavily use vservers It's a professional shame of mine that we are still trying to get rid of some old vserver instances at $WORK. I am astonished to see that you are still using them. I didn't think they'd rebased

Re: let's split the systemd binary package [Was, Re: systemd effectively mandatory now due to GNOME]

2013-10-24 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 06:27:51PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: So first of all, how hard it is to split is irrelevant. This is work that must be done, and Debian should not accept excuses for it not being done. I have a lot of respect for the Debian systemd maintainers and I think it should

Re: Please assume good faith (was Re: systemd effectively mandatory now due to GNOME)

2013-10-24 Thread Jonathan Dowland
This seems a little bit of a distraction from the issue at hand (Debian Development) — perhaps you and the OP could follow up off list? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: Bug#727195: ITP: OpenMW -- Reimplementation of The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind

2013-10-23 Thread Jonathan Dowland
a think about how the package dependencies should be set up here. Can the engine be used with alternative data? The doom packages have a particular scheme for interworking, and the Quake packages have another. Thanks -- Jonathan Dowland -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ

Re: Two new DNS virtual packages (authoritative-name-server recursive-name-server)

2013-10-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
At risk of coming across as a bikeshedder, On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 03:43:03PM +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote: authoritative-name-server - authoritative domain name server recursive-name-server - recursive domain name server Is there a need to distinguish between name server and domain name server?

Re: Bug#726393: general: Possible malware infections in source packages

2013-10-19 Thread Jonathan Dowland
It's not difficult if you reject the requirement of being DOS[0] executable: I meant ending up with something byte-for-byte identical. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: Bug#726698: ITP: puppet-module-puppetlabs-xinetd -- The xinetd module let you manage xinetd with Puppet

2013-10-18 Thread Jonathan Dowland
It's good to see puppet modules being packaged for Debian. Is there a team under which such efforts are coordinated? Are they being managed in a vcs? I'd suggest flipping the order of the two paragraphs in the long description: put the text which describes the module first, and the text which

Re: Bug#726393: general: Possible malware infections in source packages

2013-10-18 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On 17 Oct 2013, at 19:21, Javier Fernandez-Sanguino j...@computer.org wrote: eicar.com does not have a distributable license. Neither does the virus discussed in this thread (Win32.Worm.Mytob.EF) included in libmail-deliverystatus-bounceparser-perl. Good point, I agree it should be

Re: Propose Release Goals (delayed ;) - xz compression

2013-10-17 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:31:23AM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: So, this means that, yes, you need a total of at least 128 MiB RAM+swap, if not more, to use apt/dpkg in sid (and recent releases were not much smaller). Managed with ~100M with squeeze (in VMs) — I remember because I recall yum

Re: Bug#726393: general: Possible malware infections in source packages

2013-10-16 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 01:11:01PM +0200, Dominik George wrote: Looking at it as code, it is a 16-bit DOS Hello world-program. Not copyrightable, I suppose. I do not want EICAR to be copywritable, but I reckon it probably is. A surprising amount of work went into developing EICAR: it's a valid

Re: Bug#726397: ITP: libmateweather -- MateWeather shared library

2013-10-15 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 02:46:20PM +0300, Vangelis Mouhtsis wrote: This package contains the shared library for the base MATE library functions. . A library to use for writing pagers and task lists. You've copied-and-pasted the longdesc for libmatewnck, libmateweather doesn't do this.

Re: Bits from the Release Team (Jessie freeze info)

2013-10-13 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On 13/10/13 19:47, Niels Thykier wrote: (Not sure of the origins of the rime; I remember it being used in V from Vendetta though.) As a Brit I guess I'm as surprised by people not knowing this as some US folks are when I don't have plans for the 4th July. The pleasures of an international

Accepted game-data-packager 35 (source all)

2013-10-13 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Changed-By: Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org Description: game-data-packager - Installer for game data files Changes: game-data-packager (35) unstable; urgency=low . * Stop conflict/providing/replacing doom-package: the old one is pre-oldstable now. * fix test_slipstream * document

Re: First autoremovals happen in about 8 days

2013-10-08 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On 8 Oct 2013, at 07:58, Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org wrote: The removal is simply one way to fix the RC bug I'm broadly in favour of this course of action but in no way does it fix the bugs. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: Archive rebuild failures and the clean target

2013-10-07 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 03:34:58PM +0200, Thibaut Paumard wrote: Something has changed recently in dh_auto_clean that made it skip cleaning or ignore cleaning errors when the package was not configured. Whether it was on purpose or a bug at the time... Possibly it was detecting it had already

Re: Collect Suspend Tweaks

2013-10-07 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Eventually, I think, the kernel itself should detect which quirks to apply for what hardware, and not rely on userspace telling it. Therefore it would be nice if this could be reported somewhere to be tracked and eventually fixed in the kernel (probably the kernel bugzilla, if not already.) --

Re: how do deal with versionless mercurial software ?

2013-10-04 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 01:31:35PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2013-10-02 17:50:40 +0200, Dominik George wrote: That said, what's the point in NOT being verbose? Version strings need to be displayed, and if they take too much space, they may be truncated (e.g. in aptitude). They can

Re: ports and multiarch

2013-10-03 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On 2 Oct 2013, at 20:44, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote: I don't think Debian development should be driven by retro-computing. No, but driven by demand makes sense to me, and I'm glad Stephen pulled some figures on that. I'm not saying we should drop support for perfectly

Re: Bug#724980: ITP: trove -- Database as a Service for OpenStack

2013-10-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
, and you have the opportunity to learn the quality of someone's work, and in time trust their quality. And so the adage you have to spend money to make money springs to mind: you have to invest time in sponsorship to hope to get high quality help. -- Jonathan Dowland -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: Results of the porter roll call (Was: Roll call for porters of architectures in sid and testing)

2013-10-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On a related note, I idly wonder whether anyone is interested in an official ARMv6 hf port. The rpi community is massive. To be clear I'm not volunteering to be involved, merely curious. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble?

Re: ports and multiarch

2013-10-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 09:22:06PM +, Bill Allombert wrote: We should add official support for ppc64 and maybe sparc64 at least for use as a multiarch extension to ppc/sparc, even if we do not have time to make a full port. Otherwise the introduction of multiarch will likely result in a

Re: Results of the porter roll call (Was: Roll call for porters of architectures in sid and testing)

2013-10-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 02:17:31PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: Quoting Jonathan Dowland (2013-10-02 13:51:06) On a related note, I idly wonder whether anyone is interested in an official ARMv6 hf port. The rpi community is massive. To be clear I'm not volunteering to be involved, merely

Re: Bug#724980: ITP: trove -- Database as a Service for OpenStack

2013-10-01 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 01:31:20AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: P.S: Even if I'm spending the most of my days on packaging OpenStack for Debian, it's still too big for me alone, and I would accept some help... May I make a suggestion? Instead of filing ITPs for every Openstack component, file

Re: trove is already a source package in Debian and a Python module in PyPi

2013-10-01 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 09:45:17PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: Since I have already uploaded python-troveclient (currently waiting in the FTP master's NEW queue), OpenStack troveclient will be in Sid, but if some day, someone wants to upload TroveClient from http://dev.yourtrove.com, then we

Re: Bug#724980: ITP: trove -- Database as a Service for OpenStack

2013-10-01 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 09:42:37PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: That much?!? Where did you get the list of ITPs for OpenStack? GET 'http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?owner=zigo%40debian.org;dist=unstable' | grep ITP|wc -l No doubt something smarter is possible with UDD. -- To

Re: Bug#724980: ITP: trove -- Database as a Service for OpenStack

2013-09-30 Thread Jonathan Dowland
in the area will understand. Quite a challenge.) -- Jonathan Dowland -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2013093019.GA16565@debian

Re: pdksh transitional package going away...

2013-09-26 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 08:41:15AM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: In Debian, there are only two packages depending, recommending, suggesting or build-depending on pdksh right now: … graphviz (U) shunit2 These surprised me, so I took a peek. In shunit2's case, ksh is optionally used as

Re: Replacing unrar-free with unar wrapper

2013-09-25 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 04:30:59PM +0200, Dominik George wrote: My proposal is to remove unrar-free from Debian, for the reasons mentioned above, and add a patch to src:unar that include a wrapper script that provides a command-line wrapper compatible to both unrar-free and unrar-nonfree, so

Re: qmake and make dist

2013-09-25 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 07:06:04PM +, Sune Vuorela wrote: For all my qmake and cmake based projects, neither that has a make dist, I've asked my VCS for a tarball of the tag and blessed that one as 'the release'. +1 Anecdotally, one of my upstreams has a broken tarball which is a git

Accepted squishyball 0.1~svn18880-2 (source amd64)

2013-09-25 Thread Jonathan Dowland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 17:08:37 +0100 Source: squishyball Binary: squishyball Architecture: source amd64 Version: 0.1~svn18880-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org Changed-By: Jonathan

Accepted squishyball 0.1~svn18880-1 (source amd64)

2013-09-24 Thread Jonathan Dowland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 16:41:33 +0100 Source: squishyball Binary: squishyball Architecture: source amd64 Version: 0.1~svn18880-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org Changed-By: Jonathan

Re: packaging Postgres binary dump files

2013-09-23 Thread Jonathan Dowland
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Re: packaging Postgres binary dump files

2013-09-23 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On 20 Sep 2013, at 14:49, Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org wrote: I mean, not really, right? I wouldn't write it if I didn't think so. If I want to use a .so, I want the ELF, but I want to modify it in C The classic case we all know well which doesn't map to this situation. This just

Re: packaging Postgres binary dump files

2013-09-23 Thread Jonathan Dowland
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Re: packaging data that can't be distributed as part of a Debian package

2013-09-20 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 08:10:07PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Fri, 20 Sep 2013, Faheem Mitha wrote: So, I suppose anyone using the software needs to download it. I'll provide a script to download the data, but if I want to build a Debian package containing that data, how

Re: packaging Postgres binary dump files

2013-09-20 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 12:20:38PM +0200, Paul Wise wrote: It is also impossible to patch the binary format unlike SQL. Interesting. For the first time, I've realised there can be a clash between preferred form for modification and preferred form for use. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Anybody using quilt?

2013-09-18 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 05:59:41PM +0400, Игорь Пашев wrote: https://wiki.debian.org/Projects/DebSrc3.0 Anything other looks bad :-) I think guilt attempts to address something that 3.0 leaves unresolved. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Accepted qtscrob 0.11+git-2 (source amd64 all)

2013-09-12 Thread Jonathan Dowland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 20:19:46 +0100 Source: qtscrob Binary: qtscrob scrobbler scrobble-cli Architecture: source amd64 all Version: 0.11+git-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org Changed

Accepted qtscrob 0.11+git-1 (source amd64 all)

2013-09-09 Thread Jonathan Dowland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2013 17:47:36 +0100 Source: qtscrob Binary: qtscrob scrobbler scrobble-cli Architecture: source amd64 all Version: 0.11+git-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org Changed

Accepted lhasa 0.2.0-2 (source amd64)

2013-09-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2013 10:24:49 +0100 Source: lhasa Binary: lhasa liblhasa-dev liblhasa0 Architecture: source amd64 Version: 0.2.0-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org Changed-By: Jonathan

Accepted lhasa 0.2.0+git-1 (source amd64)

2013-09-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2013 13:39:52 +0100 Source: lhasa Binary: lhasa liblhasa-dev liblhasa0 Architecture: source amd64 Version: 0.2.0+git-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org Changed

Accepted lhasa 0.2.0-1 (source amd64)

2013-09-04 Thread Jonathan Dowland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 07:30:23 +0100 Source: lhasa Binary: lhasa liblhasa-dev liblhasa0 Architecture: source amd64 Version: 0.2.0-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org Changed-By: Jonathan

Re: RFH: two base wheezy bugs

2013-06-17 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 11:22:50AM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: Being able to systematically link bugs to hardware would be useful, then other owners of the same hardware would (a) be able to check for outstanding bugs before upgrading (b) try to reproduce and confirm bugs And if one uses more

Re: default MTA

2013-06-13 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 09:41:27PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: DFSG #4: Our priorities are our users and free software A court prosecuting/persecuting one of our users is not in scope I'm now struggling to understand which side of the argument you are arguing. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: default MTA

2013-06-12 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 08:00:17AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: To this exim expert, configuring exim is done as follows: zcat /usr/share/doc/exim4/examples/example.conf.gz /etc/exim4/exim4.conf Absolutely. At some point in the last few years I was recommended this course of action by a

Re: default MTA

2013-06-12 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:05:24PM +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote: The only class of users I can imagine the current situation not optional is someone being used to postfix[1]. Well, that's not me… When I remember learning exim I found it quite nice that the config is quite self-explaining

Re: default MTA

2013-06-12 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 08:08:17AM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: OpenPGP and S/MIME don't guarantee anonymity as they don't (and can't really) encrypt the headers/envelope Erm, they also identify the recipients, as it's the recipients key to which the messages are encrypted. (and typically the

Re: Bug#711570: ITP: libsdl2-mixer -- Mixer library for SDL2

2013-06-11 Thread Jonathan Dowland
At some point in the recent past the SDL team was effectively dead and the games team took over maintenance. ISTR sponsoring at least one upload of an SDL component during that time. However, it's possible that the SDL time was revived since. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Bug severity and private data disclosure

2013-06-11 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 08:10:22PM +0600, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: Life for the maintainer or for the user? Well, the severity of a bug, from a user POV, makes no guarantee on how serious the maintainer takes it, nor whether they will actually fix it. Admittely some users get comfort from being

Re: default MTA

2013-06-11 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 12:45:07PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: Sendmail has just one more layer of indirection by virtue of the m4 macros. Postfix has most of its behavior hard coded in the C sources, while exim's behavior can be controlled by run-time configuration if an advanced user wants to

Re: systemd .service file conversion

2013-06-11 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun, Jun 02, 2013 at 11:10:38AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: Since you repeat this claim: over the last year and a bit, systemd has seen 21 releases. I agree this is quite a lot, but it's hardly twice a week. The number of Linux releases over the samer period is only about half that,

Re: Bug#711570: ITP: libsdl2-mixer -- Mixer library for SDL2

2013-06-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
We'll need binaries for sdl 1 and 2 coexisting from two different source packages I believe. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: Bug severity and private data disclosure

2013-06-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
It's amazing how much simpler Debian life becomes if one simply ignores bug severities entirely. Of course harder to do nearer to release, but we live in a time of relative luxury right now… -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe.

Re: default MTA

2013-06-07 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 11:36:21PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: Well, in that case, it failed to be as simple to configure as qmail. Is ease of configuration an important criteria for default MTA? More important than sensible-default? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: default MTA

2013-06-06 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 06:38:52PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: On Thu, 30 May 2013 16:53:56 +0200, m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) wrote: I think that ease of configurability is a major plus for Postfix when compared to Exim, since a common configurations is just a few lines long. How many lines

Re: question about build a package

2013-06-03 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Hi Pol, Your question is more on-topic for the debian-mentors list. You might get more help there. Thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: systemd .service file conversion

2013-05-30 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 04:50:15PM +0300, Uoti Urpala wrote: Do you have any reason at all to believe that these were problems with systemd, rather than problems in Debian configuration or mostly independent bugs in other software that happened to trigger under systemd? Whether or not systemd

Re: default MTA

2013-05-28 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 03:02:22AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: Now that we are done with systemd for the time being, can we have the flame war about replacing Exim with Postfix as the default MTA? Are there any objections other than but I like it this way!? As things stand, for the vast

Re: Bug#706078: ITP: base91 -- base91 encoder/decoder

2013-05-28 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 09:42:20AM +0200, Franck Routier (perso) wrote: this description is from the upstream readme. I have submited a bug report to ask for a correction. Should I patch the readme inbetween ? If you mean the package description, then yes: it should be tailored to Debian. When

Re: optimizing PNGs

2013-05-28 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Hi Adam, On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 05:56:06PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: A while ago, someone raised the possibility of recompressing PNG files. From my brief experience of working on games-thumbnails, I can appreciate that the space savings may well be worth it at scale, but performing

Re: optimizing PNGs

2013-05-28 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On 28 May 2013, at 14:04, Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org wrote: Some plugins for photoshop etc store data in the fields that get removed by pngcrush and friends. In a sense, doing this is removing source data. This is a bug that should be fixed in the optimiser(s). However, it could

Re: default MTA

2013-05-28 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Hi Simon, On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 01:05:24PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: The participants in this thread are debian-devel subscribers: the sort of people who know that Debian is a Unix system, know what a Unix system is, and have some idea of what a btrfs scrub cron job, or indeed an MTA,

Re: Debian systemd survey

2013-05-24 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 03:22:12AM +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote: 2013/5/24 brian m. carlson sand...@crustytoothpaste.net: Gentlemen, This is well-worn territory on -devel. Please bear in mind the OP's wish not to open this can of worms again. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Debian systemd survey

2013-05-24 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 04:07:06AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 05/23/2013 03:55 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: How on earth does that contradict with the fact that 40%, i.e. the minority of all contributions are done by the original author. 40% still means that 60% of the code

Re: Debian systemd survey

2013-05-24 Thread Jonathan Dowland
If On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 12:50:00PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: A large number of contributors to an *init system* is not something that should be a goal in and of itself Then Furthermore, the statistics for systemd are themselves a distortion isn't really relevant here, let's please not

Re: Bug#709237: ITP: meta-suckless-tools -- meta-package installs simple commands for minimalistic window managers

2013-05-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 07:17:34AM +0400, Dmitry Papchenkoff wrote: Maybe there should not be a separate package for each tool, but at least st and dmenu should be packaged separately. Why? Moreover, there IS a package named stterm in unstable which ships st separately (I've found it then

Accepted game-data-packager 33 (source all)

2013-05-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Changed-By: Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org Description: game-data-packager - Installer for game data files Closes: 693930 Changes: game-data-packager (33) unstable; urgency=low . [ Jonathan Dowland ] * Remove deprecated dm-upload-allowed field from control file. * add doc/why.mdwn: why

Re: /bin/sh (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-15 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 06:26:40PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Oh, sorry, I forgot, you work for Canonical (which totally explains some of your writings in the other eMail too, which I’m not going to comment on). Of course, for *buntu people it’s not about choice. I think you are totally out

Re: parsable copyright format 1.0 (jessie release goals)

2013-05-14 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 07:52:25PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: Being able to write tools to extract the license of any given package. Well, extract what the maintainer thought the license was when they wrote debian/copyright. What correlation that has with reality is an open question. -- To

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Hi Paul, This has been discussed many times on -devel, including before you became a DD. Many people, including Roger and Marco, have spent a *lot* of time thinking about this and working on proofs of concepts, etc. already. Please take some time to read up on the previous threads before

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 04:56:04PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: That said, I'm not in support of moving things to /usr; it's completely backward. … If we do this, I'd prefer to make /usr a symlink to / on new installs I've always thought that myself, but it seems most folks who are pro merge tend

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On 7 May 2013, at 17:26, Simon Chopin chopin.si...@gmail.com wrote: Please don't assume that only DDs read debian-devel. Don't worry, I haven't: I just don't know of a more accurate heuristic for determining when somebody started to get involved. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 07:21:26PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: I don't see why, in this context, that's a useful heuristic to have. If you want to debunk someone's argument, I'm not sure I'd characterize what I tried to get across as debunking someone's argument. More so, questioning

Re: Join the #newinwheezy game

2013-04-30 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Is there a mobile version? Sent from my iPhone On 30 Apr 2013, at 17:52, Thorsten Glaser t...@debian.org wrote: http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren/ (in German, English and Dutch) Please. Read it. Follow it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a

Re: Bug#706160: general: it should be easier for ordinary developers to work with Debian packages

2013-04-26 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 02:20:53PM +0200, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote: dh_make -f ../foo-1.tar.gz dpkg-buildpackage I think one valid point the OP makes which each of these suggestions — in isolation — seem to miss, is there are *too many ways to do it*. The suggestions you (and others)

Re: alternative debian/rules

2013-04-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 01:46:20PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 02:28:18PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: % ls -lh debian/rules lrwxrwxrwx 1 mrvn users 1 Apr 16 12:27 debian/rules - /usr/bin/dh I don't understand your point, other than to demonstrate that

Re: alternative debian/rules

2013-04-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 09:38:14AM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Well yes, but if you do even small things such as generate the package manually instead of using debhelper, prepare to be shouted at by the British Cabal with threats of using superpowers to remove such packages from Debian.

Re: Derivatives, MongoDB and freezes

2013-04-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 07:22:05PM +0100, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: I also posted on Debian Planet, how to find patches applied in Ubuntu via Debian PTS together with categories of useful fixes that are relevant to Jessie and may be already solved/patched in Ubuntu. [1] I perceived that blog

Re: Bug#705930: ITP: kitchen -- Cornuscopia of useful Python code

2013-04-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
It would be nice if the long description (at least) gave a bit more of a concrete overview over the type of utilities that are included. Look at e.g. moreutils, devscripts for examples of how to do this. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: Derivatives, MongoDB and freezes

2013-04-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 07:22:05PM +0100, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: Ideally, i'd like to see debian to branch or use t-p-u, such that sid can continue accepting new uploads and not freeze. E.g. something similar to how fedora operates. I vaguely recall that something like that has been proposed

Re: Further Update on R 3.0.0 migration (Was: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R)

2013-04-15 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 09:18:05AM -0500, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: Charles, failing that, shall we coordinate off-list? Re-building in chroot takes about a minute or two each but sadly some of these package appear effectively orphaned (eg gpplot2, single upload 15 months ago -- is that really

Re: Debian two-factor auth, GSoC?

2013-04-11 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 07:04:40PM +, Luca Filipozzi wrote: Aslo, we have sso.debian.org, whose use we should expand. I'd love to see that. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: NEW processing during freezes (Was: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R)

2013-04-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 02:52:20AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: If I upload new packages A and B, that A depends and B, and that A gets approved, but B doesn't, then we end up with package A being in Debian, but never installable. Has this ever happened? I believe the FTP masters do look at

Re: Git packaging workflow discussion on planet.d.o

2013-04-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 09:11:05AM +1000, Craig Small wrote: That was the part I didn't understand. What are people doing to solve this generated files at release problem? I've solved this as upstream and a Debian developer by having tarballs. Run the 'dist' stages as part of the 'build'

Re: Legal possibility of more open package reviews.

2013-04-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 07:11:13PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 04/10/2013 05:36 PM, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: The first point has been handled by zack, and we have on hand a legal document, vetted by SFLC lawyers, that makes the mentors platform a DMCA safe harbor. Does it mean

Re: Bug#704686: ITP: ruby-arr-pm -- RPM reader and writer Ruby library

2013-04-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 05:33:20PM +0200, Laurent Bigonville wrote: This ruby gem is needed by FPM (see my ITP[0]). Hi Laurent, thanks for the clarification — to ask a related question. What's the worth of FPM on Debian? Especially given the issues that Wouter has raised in the bug¹ ¹

Re: Legal possibility of more open package reviews.

2013-04-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:51:39PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: - If mentors.debian.org needs to follow the DMCA, why would mentors.debian.net be exempt of it ? It's not, but Debian is not hosting mentors, the .net domain is a forwarding service of sorts, so to take on the responsibility

Accepted squishyball 0.1~svn18680-1 (source amd64)

2013-04-08 Thread Jonathan Dowland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 13:58:25 + Source: squishyball Binary: squishyball Architecture: source amd64 Version: 0.1~svn18680-1 Distribution: experimental Urgency: low Maintainer: Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org Changed-By: Jonathan

Re: Generators for debian/* files?

2013-04-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 11:07:31AM +0200, Thomas Koch wrote: This java code should be replaces with something in perl/python/non-JVM. Why? Is there already some logic/templates in Debian that I could build on? dh-make-perl perhaps? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: SI units (was Re: failure to communicate)

2013-04-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 11:26:29AM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: It may actually be useful for the technical committee to review what is on the wiki and make some general statement about Debian's position (if they haven't done so in the past), and that can guide the way similar bugs are

threads, Subjects: and mailers (was Re: SI units (was Re: failure to communicate))

2013-04-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 07:28:32AM -0400, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: Can we *PLEASE* stop making new threads. It's getting *REALLY* hard to keep playing whack-a-mole with my bozo bin. Fix your mailer… I see precisely one thread, correctly linked together via message-id and references headers, with

Re: Git packaging workflow discussion on planet.d.o

2013-04-04 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On 4 Apr 2013, at 20:16, Andrey Rahmatullin w...@wrar.name wrote: otherwise the workflow becomes clumsier Just to be clear, did you read Russ' blog - are you referring to the merge trick he uses in his workflow for this purpose? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: NEW processing during freezes (Was: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R)

2013-04-03 Thread Jonathan Dowland
The NEW queue is not just for double-checking licenses. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2013040318.GB11273@debian

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Apr 01, 2013 at 12:48:08AM +0300, Uoti Urpala wrote: IMO it's important to remember that it's fundamentally the release team that is at fault for problems here, not the R maintainer. Can you please remind me what you do for Debian? Aside from flame debian-devel. I've forgotten.

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Apr 01, 2013 at 12:15:17AM +0200, Arno Töll wrote: So help speeding up the release process. The universal rebuttal to all complaints about the release process. Sadly it misses the point at the heart of most complaints: far too much work is needed to become release-ready, and there is not

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Apr 01, 2013 at 07:57:50AM +0300, Faidon Liambotis wrote: I don't think the time for this discussion is now, so I'll restrain myself from saying more. The release is near, and there's going to be plenty of time until the next freeze :) When the pain of the freeze will be a fast-fading

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Apr 01, 2013 at 04:45:19PM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote: You seem to believe that unstable is more important than stable releases. I do not. One of us is in the wrong project. If, you are suggesting here, that the release process in Debian is utterly set in stone and nobody may raise

Re: Splitting the devscripts package

2013-04-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Apr 02, 2013 at 05:18:53PM +0200, Reinhard Tartler wrote: This can/should preferably be configurable, defaulting to the Debian BTS. Derivatives should be encouraged to override the defaults accordingly. In the case of our bts tool, I think it would be rather too much work to

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