Re: Can we kill net-tools, please?

2016-12-29 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Russ Allbery] > ip address also has one of the worst output UI decisions I've ever seen, > namely this line: > > inet 192.168.0.195/24 brd 192.168.0.255 scope global dynamic wlan0 > > specifically "192.168.0.195/24", which is notation (IIRC) invented by this > command, used nowhere else in

Re: Does anybody plan to keep using sbuild with Squeeze or older chroots?

2016-08-21 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Johannes Schauer] > Old sbuild will not help you. The problem is mainly, that older > chroots contain an apt installation that has no support for the > [trusted=yes] option in sources.list. So if someone really needs this, I guess a workaround would be to backport apt 1.0 to squeeze...? Yes,

Re: ppp plugins and dependencies

2015-06-30 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Chris Boot] There probably doesn't need to be an ABI break for every version, but there is with 2.4.6 = 2.4.7 due to the addition of some variables. If this was a shared library it wouldn't necessitate a soname bump as it's essentially just a new symbol, but a plugin that happens to use this

Re: aptitude has Priority: standard, why?

2015-04-01 Thread Peter Samuelson
[The Wanderer] it is IMO not viable for actual use - except perhaps by people who already know completely what they are doing and how to override aptitude's suggestions. That sounds like you believe aptitude has only a command-line interface. Mostly I use its full-screen interface. (To see

Re: Let's abandon debian-devel.

2014-11-14 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Andrey Rahmatullin] Not all Debian contributors are Debian Contributors whatever that means. Lots of people without keys somewhere in official keyrings are doing useful work. Some of them are even maintaining packages. And actually, come January, a pretty high fraction of official Debian

Re: veto?

2014-11-14 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Daniel Pocock] Would it be worthwhile giving people another option, for example, allowing a percentage of DDs to formally veto decisions? Would this be better than people leaving outright? That sounds like a pretty good description of either a GR, or the Technical Committee. We have both

Re: More tasks option in Tasksel: what tasks do you want there? (reloaded)

2014-09-08 Thread Peter Samuelson
On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 11:15 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote: - database-server: commonly one would expect MySQL, and postgress gets installed [Paul Wise] Isn't tasksel for people with no expectations? People who know something about the technology they are looking for will install the relevant

Re: Non-source Javascript files in upstream source

2014-04-26 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo] If you agree that source-is-missing also applies in those cases, do you also think that we should immediately declare all source packages in Debian containing a 'configure' script as somehow non free (unless we can check unambigously that they were generated by

Re: when will we finally throw away binary uploads (Re: Please upgrade your build environment when you are affected by transition

2014-02-26 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Paul Tagliamonte] I was going to send a mail about this yesterday. I've decided I'm going to start a quest to support this. I settled on Build-Indep-Architecture myself. Sorry for the bikeshedding, but don't we already have ways to express exactly what we mean? Build-Depends-Indep:

Re: Backports, Stable releases, Testing, Oh my!

2014-02-26 Thread Peter Samuelson
[micah] it feels like a bit too aggressive pressure for my tastes. I've seen a lot of developers of packages who have found out their package will be removed from testing, but don't have the time to resolve the situation before it gets removed, resulting in much pulling of hair. If only we

Re: Ubuntu will switch to systemd

2014-02-14 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Christoph Anton Mitterer] btw: And quite obviously, this post is not about bashing upstart,.. No, and it's also not about Debian. Could we ... do our Canonical bashing somewhere else? Please? Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: Replacing a binary package by another one(was: Communication issue?)

2013-09-04 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Norbert Preining] On Di, 03 Sep 2013, Peter Samuelson wrote: texlive-lang-european? It doesn't look like it to me (no Breaks or Conflicts), but I haven't actually tried it. conflicts there are, texlive-base conflicts with all the old packages. I misspoke. There is a Conflicts

Re: Looking for ideas for merging a micro package...

2013-09-04 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Thorsten Glaser] I absolutely do not want to see anything related to ruby on my systems. Why? Is this just an emotional reaction, or is it the 13 MB of dependencies, or something else? I wonder if anyone feels the same way about, say, libraries written in FORTRAN, or binaries linked against

Re: Replacing a binary package by another one(was: Communication issue?)

2013-09-03 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Norbert Preining] I understood your proposal, of course. Still, since there are no rdepends besides very few (1?) build-depends on these two packages, I consider it a a waste of resources. Sounds like you are saying 'texlive-lang-danish' is only useful as a package dependency - in other

Re: Replacing a binary package by another one(was: Communication issue?)

2013-09-03 Thread Peter Samuelson
Sounds like you are saying 'texlive-lang-danish' is only useful as a package dependency - in other words, users would never install it explicitly because they want its functionality. Is that correct? This [Norbert Preining] I never said that. The functionality is now in

Re: overriding udev rules

2013-08-21 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Thomas Goirand] Oh ok. Not useful at all if you ask me. Why? Because sometimes, you can't change the MAC address. For example, if you use the OpenStack bare metal driver, then you continue to use virtual machine images, though they will be used on a real hardware where you can't change the

Re: /etc/hosts and resolving of the local host/domainname - 127.0.0.1 vs. 127.0.1.1

2013-07-31 Thread Peter Samuelson
On Wed, 2013-07-31 at 01:30 +0100, Steve Langasek wrote: That's correct. If you want to talk to a loopback-only service, you should be connecting to 'localhost', *not* to the hostname. [Christoph Anton Mitterer] Well why not? Imagine that one server in a cluster serves a debian package

Re: download of source packages alarmed clamav

2013-06-25 Thread Peter Samuelson
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 08:04:00AM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: This comes up periodically. They aren't real. [Darac Marjal] It would appear they're real enough to trigger clamav's detection, which was the problem the OP was having. Yes. It is not really a fixable problem. The test

Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-08 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Alberto Garcia] I was unaware of this thing and I'm sure I'm overlooking something, so can someone give a simple example of actual problems introduced by using epochs? One real problem is that epochs make it easier to introduce human error in specifying reverse runtime and build deps. E.g.:

Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-07 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Matt Zagrabelny] I've grepped the d-d list, but didn't find any threads regarding fixing epochs in package versions. This does come up occasionally. If so, could we add a field to debian/control such as Supersede-Epoch. If set to 'yes', then dpkg considers this package to have an epoch of

Re: /export (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Igor Pashev] Currently /var/lib contains data for system utilities (dpkg, apt, aptitute) and for user application like databases. What about moving default location for applications to /export ? Wrong list, please bring this up instead on fhs-discuss. (If that still exists - it looks a

Re: Bug#706160: general: it should be easier for ordinary developers to work with Debian packages

2013-04-26 Thread Peter Samuelson
[James Cloos] And where does one find dh_make? Searching on goog suggests it would be part of debhelper. But it isn't: Someone suggested 'apt-file', but in this case the simpler thing is: apt-cache search dh_make -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with

Re: jpeg8 vs jpeg-turbo

2013-04-25 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Mathieu Malaterre] I do not believe in debian life-span, a package manager ever switch an implementation of a package. So libjpeg9 and libjpeg-turbo will have to co-live. It happens. Look at the source for 'libc6'. It used to be glibc, these days it is a fork called eglibc. Likewise the

Re: bits from the DPL: March-April 2013

2013-04-16 Thread Peter Samuelson
Zack, Thank you SO MUCH for your service this past 3 years. Your hard work, persistence, calm voice and especially your transparency have been much appreciated. Peter signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Debian two-factor auth, GSoC?

2013-04-12 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Russ Allbery] Oh, I thought they'd given up on Safe. For some reason it stuck in my mind that it had too many issues and ended up being deprecated. Apparently, I either made that up or misremembered something. Possibly you were thinking of suidperl, the hack to allow Perl programs to use

Re: Legal possibility of more open package reviews.

2013-04-10 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Charles Plessy] - If mentors.debian.org needs to follow the DMCA, why would mentors.debian.net be exempt of it ? It's not exempt, but it's also not Debian's problem. - If mentors.debian.org can distribute unreviewed packages by becomming a DMCA safe harbor, wouldn't it be

Accepted subversion 1.7.9-1 (source all amd64)

2013-04-07 Thread Peter Samuelson
all amd64 Version: 1.7.9-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Peter Samuelson pe...@p12n.org Changed-By: Peter Samuelson pe...@p12n.org Description: libapache2-svn - Apache Subversion server modules for Apache httpd libsvn-dev - Development files for Apache Subversion libraries

Re: Generators for debian/* files?

2013-04-06 Thread Peter Samuelson
+++ Jonathan Dowland [2013-04-05 10:09 +0100]: On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 11:07:31AM +0200, Thomas Koch wrote: This java code should be replaces with something in perl/python/non-JVM. Why? [Wookey] Because it's an entirely unnecessary circular build-dependency. java is not part of

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-02 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Jonathan Dowland] On Mon, Apr 01, 2013 at 04:45:19PM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote: You seem to believe that unstable is more important than stable releases. I do not. One of us is in the wrong project. If, you are suggesting here, that the release process in Debian is utterly set in stone

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-02 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Vincent Lefevre] I disagree. If the freeze occurred only once (almost) all RC bugs were fixed, there would be (almost) no delay. I suspect that the length of the freeze is due to the fact that the freeze occurred while too many RC bugs were already open. Agreed: in July 2012, many - too

Re: realise diff-updates with dpkg

2013-02-22 Thread Peter Samuelson
Anyway, rsync sounds like the most appropriate mechanism to transfer these particular databases. [iceWave IT] My blacklists should be available for everyone not only for those who can connect with my server via ssh... rsync doesn't require ssh; for your scenario you probably just want

Re: RFC declarative built-using field generation

2013-02-08 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Joachim Breitner] this seems to be a good disk-space for human-time trade to me as well: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=699333 I'm a bit confused. Given that perhaps 99% of Built-Using would be for trivial things like crt1.o and libgcc.a, which are concentrated into a

Re: No native packages?

2013-01-28 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Benjamin Drung] Image the opposite. You want to package a software that is only available in a downstream distribution (e.g. Ubuntu or Linux Mint). Do you prefer to have a non-native format or a native format? If their native format is an archive in gzipped tar file format, like ours is, I'm

Re: Packages with incomplete .md5sum files

2013-01-15 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Holger Levsen] Hi Andreas, On Donnerstag, 10. Januar 2013, Andreas Beckmann wrote: Hi, the following packages from wheezy ship files that are excluded from the .md5sums file: gridsite: FILE WITHOUT MD5SUM /var/lib/gridsite/.gacl gridsite: FILE WITHOUT MD5SUM

Re: Package variant selection policy using meta packages

2012-12-22 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Joachim Breitner] And a foo-dev Recommends: foo-prof is not suitable because? because we cannot tell what the user will want. For example, a user of xmonad will not want -prof packages installed, and an addition 400MB of useless stuff on his computer is not in his, and hence our,

Re: unsafe use of gpg

2012-12-15 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Timo Juhani Lindfors] Peter Samuelson pe...@p12n.org writes: Note that this adds a keyring to the current list. If the intent is to use the specified keyring alone, use --keyring along with --no-default-keyring. You probably read man gpg but gpgv is simpler: gpgv

Re: unsafe use of gpg

2012-12-14 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Timo Juhani Lindfors] Is /usr/bin/gpgv --quiet --keyring /etc/myprogram/trusted.gpg file file.sig chmod a+x file ./file still a safe way to ensure that only code signed by a key in trusted.gpg gets executed? From the manpage: Note that this adds a keyring to the current list. If

Architecture: all + M-A: foreign

2012-12-06 Thread Peter Samuelson
In bug #695229, I noted that an Architecture: all package really should be Multi-Arch: foreign. This led to an IRC discussion between Goswin, Steve L. and me in which I formulated the proposal: If a package is 'Architecture: all', and all its dependencies are 'Multi-Arch: foreign'

Re: Architecture: all + M-A: foreign

2012-12-06 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Helmut Grohne] I ask you not to use this proposal for the following reasons: * Given a package it is now much harder to see whether it is tagged M-A or not. Especially you can no longer determine the tagging by simple examination of package lists. That's fair. Though I imagine if

Re: Question: Packages.xz and Contents-arch.xz

2012-11-15 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Hideki Yamane] henrich@hp:/tmp$ du -k Packages.* 6052Packages.bz2 5812Packages.xz henrich@hp:/tmp$ time bzip2 -d Packages.bz2 real0m0.999s user0m0.956s sys 0m0.020s henrich@hp:/tmp$ rm Packages henrich@hp:/tmp$ time xz -d Packages.xz

Re: Where could I upload x32 port bootstrap?

2012-11-10 Thread Peter Samuelson
On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 10:47:43AM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: On the other hand, widespread dumb-ass assumptions about i386/amd64 may cause quite a bit of issues: basically any Makefile that talks about x86 is somewhat suspicious. This is the main reason one may want to oppose the

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Intel/AMD x86 CPU microcode update system in non-free

2012-11-08 Thread Peter Samuelson
On Donnerstag, 8. November 2012, Ben Hutchings wrote: And an annoying technical detail makes it suboptimal to add the microcode packages as a recommendation of the firmware-linux-nonfree package. ...which is that dpkg does not support architecture-specific relations in binary packages.

Re: orphaned packages

2012-10-25 Thread Peter Samuelson
[vangelis mouhtsis] Can please someone explain why a package should be orphaned from maintaining? (i hope the reason is not lack of maintainers) Yes it is. Or more precisely, every package needs a maintainer with: 1) the skills to maintain it (familiarity not only with Debian packaging in

Re: (seemingly) declinging bug report numbers

2012-10-19 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Kelly Clowers] But I basically never report bugs. I have used Sid for years, and in fact I often don't notice bugs in my personal workflow (maybe if I can think of myself as a user? I notice end-user-impacting bugs in other areas). If someone comes over and sees me working the might say,

Re: Discarding uploaded binary packages

2012-10-18 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Joerg Jaspert] As one thing to keep in mind - we have an acl structure in dak. Currently it reads something like all DD keys are allowed all uploads. all DM keys are allowed their own uploads according to DM rights. all buildd keys are allowed binary only uploads for their arch. It is

Re: Discarding uploaded binary packages

2012-10-18 Thread Peter Samuelson
This preserves the ability to upload a manual binNMU, which is not common, but is useful and sometimes necessary. (And not only for bootstrapping an arch or a compiler.) ...and I forgot to add that something like this is required by the GR http://www.debian.org/vote/2007/vote_002, or at

Re: Debian should move away from MD5 (and at best also from SHA1) (in secure APT and friends)

2012-10-11 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Christoph Anton Mitterer] Wouldn't it make sense to start discussions about moving to the strongest possible? No. What makes sense is to use a hash that has the properties that are needed for a particular application. To use your example of dpkg file checksums, their purpose has _nothing_

Re: where is the DNSSEC root key?

2012-10-05 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Chris Knadle] However since all DNS servers are generally meant to use port 53, I think it's unlikely to install more than one DNS server locally, so I'm not sure if doing this makes sense from a packaging perspective. [I can see how it does from an administration perspective.] It's

Re: Changes to Debian Maintainer upload permissions

2012-09-24 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Joachim Breitner] Would it be possible to extend the syntax to specify lists of packages not by name, but by Maintainer, e.g. pkg-haskell-maintainers@l.a.d.o? Bonus points if such an assigment is expanded at dinstall time, so that the statement “DM 1234 may upload all packages owned by

Re: New upstream version of velvet contains debian/ dir

2012-09-11 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Neil Williams] These are not native packages, they are expressly used by other distributions than Debian or even Debian derivatives - just because I'm on the upstream team / am the entire upstream team does NOT mean that I am justified in polluting the tarball released to RPM users with

Re: Help me DTRT with upstream naming

2012-09-08 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Russ Allbery] The problem is that the software is called wallet, both the software itself and the primary client binary that users invoke. And, of course, we have a bunch of documentation and automation at Stanford that assumes that name. That actually seems like a reasonable name to me.

Re: Stuff from /bin, /sbin, /lib depending on /usr/lib libraries

2012-08-31 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Thomas Goirand] Typically, I have / on 2 small RAID1 partitions making the array on the first 2 HDD (1 or 2 gigs), and /usr on a LVM on a much, much larger RAID array (I use mostly software RAID1 and RAID10, but in some cases, much bigger hardware RAID5). So yes, that's my usual server

Re: Stuff from /bin, /sbin, /lib depending on /usr/lib libraries

2012-08-29 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Russ Allbery] All PAM modules are installed under /lib, because that's the path used by libpam to load them. However, I don't think the vast majority of PAM modules could be considered critical for early boot or need to be usable without /usr mounted It seems pam already looks in both

Re: Enabling uscan to simply remove files from upstream source

2012-08-23 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Jonas Smedegaard] Format: http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/ Source: http://susy.oddbird.net/ Repackaged, excluding non-DFSG licensed fonts and source-less JavaScript Files-Excluded: docs/source/javascripts/jquery-1.7.1.min.js

Re: Enabling uscan to simply remove files from upstream source

2012-08-23 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Peter Samuelson] And there is something to be said for the dpkg-source / debhelper style, in which each configuration parameter lives in its own tiny file (e.g., 'debian/source/format', 'debian/compat', 'debian/pyversions') rather than as fields of a larger file that is only tangentially

Re: Enabling uscan to simply remove files from upstream source

2012-08-23 Thread Peter Samuelson
Automating get-orig-source is a fine idea, but tying it to DEP-5 would be unfortunate. [Jonas Smedegaard] You mean that you prefer a separate file for this info? What should be its name? What should be its syntax? ...and why start from scratch with this - or does something else

Accepted mtink 1.0.16-6 (source all amd64)

2012-07-26 Thread Peter Samuelson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 08:57:46 -0500 Source: mtink Binary: mtink mtink-doc Architecture: source all amd64 Version: 1.0.16-6 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian QA Group packa...@qa.debian.org Changed-By: Peter Samuelson

Accepted lesstif2 1:0.95.2-1.1 (source all amd64 i386)

2012-07-25 Thread Peter Samuelson
s...@debian.org Changed-By: Peter Samuelson pe...@p12n.org Closes: 677788 Description: lesstif-bin - user binaries for LessTif lesstif-doc - documentation for LessTif lesstif2 - OSF/Motif 2.1 implementation released under LGPL lesstif2-dbg - lesstif2 debugging files lesstif2-dev

Accepted mtink 1.0.16-5 (source all amd64)

2012-07-25 Thread Peter Samuelson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:17:04 -0500 Source: mtink Binary: mtink mtink-doc Architecture: source all amd64 Version: 1.0.16-5 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian QA Group packa...@qa.debian.org Changed-By: Peter Samuelson

Re: Improving our response to duplicate packages in Debian

2012-06-29 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Holger Levsen] if thats true, I don't want any of my package maintainance jobs. can you please fire me? You've been around awhile. If that is true, you should know how to RFA or orphan packages and/or retire from the Project. You should know by now that it isn't up to others to fire you.

Accepted subversion 1.7.5-1 (source all amd64)

2012-06-17 Thread Peter Samuelson
all amd64 Version: 1.7.5-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Peter Samuelson pe...@p12n.org Changed-By: Peter Samuelson pe...@p12n.org Description: libapache2-svn - Apache Subversion server modules for Apache httpd libsvn-dev - Development files for Apache Subversion libraries

Accepted gpm 1.20.4-6 (source amd64)

2012-06-10 Thread Peter Samuelson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 14:55:09 -0500 Source: gpm Binary: gpm libgpm2 libgpm-dev Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1.20.4-6 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Peter Samuelson pe...@p12n.org Changed-By: Peter Samuelson pe

Accepted subversion 1.6.18dfsg-1 (source all amd64)

2012-06-09 Thread Peter Samuelson
all amd64 Version: 1.6.18dfsg-1 Distribution: experimental Urgency: low Maintainer: Peter Samuelson pe...@p12n.org Changed-By: Peter Samuelson pe...@p12n.org Description: libapache2-svn - Subversion server modules for Apache libsvn-dev - Development files for Subversion libraries libsvn-doc

Accepted serf 1.1.0-2 (source amd64)

2012-06-09 Thread Peter Samuelson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 14:26:56 -0500 Source: serf Binary: libserf1 libserf-dev libserf1-dbg Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1.1.0-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Peter Samuelson pe...@p12n.org Changed-By: Peter

Accepted serf 1.1.0-1 (source amd64)

2012-06-08 Thread Peter Samuelson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 00:18:56 -0500 Source: serf Binary: libserf1 libserf-dev libserf1-dbg Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1.1.0-1 Distribution: experimental Urgency: low Maintainer: Peter Samuelson pe...@p12n.org Changed-By: Peter

Accepted gpm 1.20.4-5 (source amd64)

2012-06-08 Thread Peter Samuelson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 11:20:49 -0500 Source: gpm Binary: gpm libgpm2 libgpm-dev Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1.20.4-5 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Peter Samuelson pe...@p12n.org Changed-By: Peter Samuelson pe

Re: ${misc:Depends} injects broken versioned depends (Was: Bug#676455: gnumed-doc: uninstallable in sid: depends on outdated libjs-jquery-livequery)

2012-06-07 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Raphael Hertzog] It the next upstream version of your javascript library provides new files, they will not be in the symlink tree that you built in your package. So at runtime, it will fail because of the missing file. Forgive me if I'm missing something basic here, but this sounds like a

Accepted subversion 1.6.17dfsg-4 (source all kfreebsd-amd64 kfreebsd-i386)

2012-06-03 Thread Peter Samuelson
-amd64 kfreebsd-i386 source Version: 1.6.17dfsg-4 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Peter Samuelson pe...@p12n.org Changed-By: Peter Samuelson pe...@p12n.org Description: libapache2-svn - Subversion server modules for Apache libsvn-dev - Development files for Subversion libraries

Re: Exported (ba)sh functions in the environment

2012-05-28 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Philip Ashmore] On my machine running set set.txt ls -lsa set.txt reveals that my environment contains 225517 of stuff - some of it is even being taken up by exported function definitions! As mentioned earlier, 'set' is not reporting much more than the environment exported to external

Re: Exported (ba)sh functions in the environment

2012-05-28 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Philip Ashmore] I guess I'm confused as to why bash completion needs these. Easy enough to read /etc/bash_completion and /etc/bash_completion.d/* and see for yourself why it needs these. bash-completion is full of special cases to do the right thing in hundreds or thousands of different

Re: Moving /tmp to tmpfs makes it useless

2012-05-25 Thread Peter Samuelson
Switch to the deadline IO scheduler [...] and make proper use of cgroups. [...] And disable memory overcommit [Serge] instead of fixing a single default option you suggest every debian user to tweak and/or rebuild the kernel? Are you serious? ;) What?!? and/or rebuild the kernel is

Re: Wheezy release: CDs are not big enough any more...

2012-05-16 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Steve McIntyre] You're not measuring the time taken to sync to the flash drive either, so all you're going to be seeing is the speed of writing to cache. Huh, I figured the 'sync' call at the end of each test run covered that. I've done lots of work with USB flash and MMC/SD cards over the

Re: big .debian.tar.xz - EG Wordpress

2012-05-16 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Russell Coker] Would it be possible to have somewhere on the Debian servers for storing such files so that they can be referenced in a README file or something rather than sent to everyone? I'm sure that most people who build a Wordpress package won't use them. As Paul Wise said, best if

Re: Wheezy release: CDs are not big enough any more...

2012-05-15 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Steve McIntyre] (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en) While it is refreshing to see cat debian.iso /dev/sdX instead of the usual dd nonsense (it seems there's an extremely widespread myth that you need to use dd any time you're reading or writing block devices), I

Re: Wheezy release: CDs are not big enough any more...

2012-05-15 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Samuel Thibault] I think cp is even more straightforward. Does cp accept that way since a long time? I'm not sure, but I've been using things like cp boot.img /dev/fd0 for probably 10 or 15 years on various Linux and Unix systems. (The fact that I referred to a floppy drive may give some

Re: Wheezy release: CDs are not big enough any more...

2012-05-15 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Steve McIntyre] The major win with dd onto a raw device is that you can specify the block size. For most USB sticks, using a block size of 4MB or so is going to be *much* faster than using the default for dd (512 bytes) or cp (10 KB IIRC). That seemed a little fishy to me, since none of the

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-10 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Uoti Urpala] The reason why most old applications do not follow that approach (at least not yet) is pretty obvious: their authors never considered it. etc-overrides-lib semantics have only become a seriously considered alternative fairly recently. If I'm not mistaken, I first saw this sort

Re: Node.js and it's future in debian

2012-05-03 Thread Peter Samuelson
[David Weinehall] So... A (admittedly expensive) pre-inst script that checks the system for calls to /usr/sbin/node outside of Debian packages would likely do the trick? That seems like a pretty big violation of the spirit, and possibly the letter, of Debian Policy. I mean, why not just

Re: smaller than 0 but not negative (Re: question about Conflicts:

2012-05-03 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Patrick Lauer] 1.0_pre20120503 maybe That'd be wrong if you expect a real _alpha, _beta or _pre of the given version in the future. I think in that case you'd need something like 1.0_alpha_alpha20120503 or 1.0_alpha_pre20120503. There's something to be said for imposed structure, but in this

Re: upstart: please update to latest upstream version

2012-03-06 Thread Peter Samuelson
interesting enough to talk about? I ask because, if porting systemd to kFBSD is a mere matter of emulating cgroups with jails (from what I understand, jails provide roughly a superset of cgroups functionality), that's a somewhat different picture than I've been assuming. -- Peter Samuelson | org-tld

Accepted serf 1.0.1-1 (source amd64)

2012-03-03 Thread Peter Samuelson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 14:43:53 -0600 Source: serf Binary: libserf1 libserf-dev libserf1-dbg Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1.0.1-1 Distribution: experimental Urgency: low Maintainer: Peter Samuelson pe...@p12n.org Changed-By: Peter

Re: upstart: please update to latest upstream version

2012-02-24 Thread Peter Samuelson
Foundation or the Apache Software Foundation seems to be that, oddly, more people think Canonical is evil than think the FSF and ASF are evil. -- Peter Samuelson | org-tld!p12n!peter | http://p12n.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe

Re: Multi-arch all-architecture plugins

2012-02-15 Thread Peter Samuelson
-A: same-as libfoo but perhaps something like M-A: same [libfoo] or M-A: same: libfoo or even M-A: same: libc6, libc6.1, libc0.1... Finally, I note that this is somewhat similar to Enhances. But I don't think it's a good idea to overload Enhances. -- Peter Samuelson | org-tld!p12n!peter | http

Re: Multi-arch all-architecture plugins

2012-02-14 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Ian Jackson] If you install on i386 your 2 binaries and libc6, you /do/ need the i386 libfakeroot. Otherwise if you say fakeroot your binary it won't work, no matter that /usr/bin/fakeroot is amd64. libfakeroot is something of a special case, indeed. As a hack to my proposal, perhaps it

Re: Multi-arch all-architecture plugins

2012-02-13 Thread Peter Samuelson
-as libgimp2.0 Package: libsasl2-modules Multi-Arch: same-as libsasl2-2 -- Peter Samuelson | org-tld!p12n!peter | http://p12n.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-01-30 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Brad Spengler] Frankly it makes more sense for me to offer .debs myself than to deal with a bureaucracy and non-standard kernel in Debian. It contains who-knows-what extra code, and I doubt anyone looked at any of it to see if it allows for some way to leak information I prevent against a

Re: Source package without a binary

2012-01-05 Thread Peter Samuelson
pretty much what he already said. What he's asking is whether this is actually a good idea, or whether there are better options. -- Peter Samuelson | org-tld!p12n!peter | http://p12n.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble

Re: Getting dh_install to do what we need

2011-12-09 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Kees Cook] This doesn't work with source-format-1 packages without adding chmod lines for the scripted debhelper config files in the rules file. Perhaps this isn't a big deal since we should all be using source-format-3 anyway. We should? I prefer to think of this whole debacle as yet

Re: Getting dh_install to do what we need

2011-12-09 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Bernd Zeimetz] So there are sources which have executable debhelper files already? I doubt it as you'd have to chmod them manually. Not for native packages. Not for packages in format 3.0 (quilt). In both cases, execute permission in debian/ is preserved, with the obvious exception of

Re: suggestion: build-blockers field in control file

2011-12-02 Thread Peter Samuelson
intervention for any dependency loop. And (3) seems like a very complex workflow to solve a very small problem. -- Peter Samuelson | org-tld!p12n!peter | http://p12n.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas

Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-23 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Goswin von Brederlow] Where the relevant patches added to binutils and gcc for this? See for yourself: http://sites.google.com/site/x32abi/ -- Peter Samuelson | org-tld!p12n!peter | http://p12n.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Re: Towards multi-arch: Multi-Arch: same file conflicts

2011-11-20 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Jakub Wilk] If a package is marked as Multi-Arch: same, files with the same name have to be (byte-to-byte) identical across all architectures. Unfortunately, not all packages obey this requirement. [libsvn-java 1.6.17dfsg-2+b1] usr/share/java/svn-javahl.jar This file is in a package

Re: Towards multi-arch: Multi-Arch: same file conflicts

2011-11-20 Thread Peter Samuelson
-4 on kfreebsd-i386. -- Peter Samuelson | org-tld!p12n!peter | http://p12n.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2020183045.ge2...@p12n.org

Accepted subversion 1.6.17dfsg-3 (source all amd64)

2011-11-19 Thread Peter Samuelson
Version: 1.6.17dfsg-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Peter Samuelson pe...@p12n.org Changed-By: Peter Samuelson pe...@p12n.org Description: libapache2-svn - Subversion server modules for Apache libsvn-dev - Development files for Subversion libraries libsvn-doc - Developer

Re: Towards multi-arch: Multi-Arch: same file conflicts

2011-11-18 Thread Peter Samuelson
suppose a side benefit is you can use Recommends and cut down a little on the size of your strict Dependency closure.) - BinNMUs (see http://deb.li/CHYh). So I guess we can ignore changelog.Debian.gz hits, as there's not much we can do about them. -- Peter Samuelson | org-tld!p12n!peter | http

Re: Package mailing lists (was: bits from the DPL for September 2011)

2011-11-08 Thread Peter Samuelson
it is going through Debian infrastructure. The latter even, I believe, uses proper list software. -- Peter Samuelson | org-tld!p12n!peter | http://p12n.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Minified files and source code requirement

2011-10-27 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Russ Allbery] Compressing all the whitespace out of it seems fine to me; you can fix that well enough using an indenter. Yes, but why would _any_ obfuscator, I mean minimizer, compress whitespace but not remove comments? The cleverest re-intender in the world isn't going to be able to

Re: python 2.7 in wheezy

2011-10-06 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Olivier Berger] For users, which don't read d-d-a and receive such emails (below), it's a bit unclear what's really happening, IMHO :-/ Ummm ... don't we strongly encourage all package maintainers to read d-d-a? If not, we should. It is very low traffic and sometimes important. -- Peter

Accepted equivs 2.0.9 (source all)

2011-09-30 Thread Peter Samuelson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 01:22:27 -0500 Source: equivs Binary: equivs Architecture: source all Version: 2.0.9 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Peter Samuelson pe...@p12n.org Changed-By: Peter Samuelson pe...@p12n.org

Re: Bug#643469: ITP: nqp -- Not Quite Perl compiler

2011-09-27 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Alessandro Ghedini] It doesn't really sound as intended *only* for Parrot (ok, as of now it does support only parrot, but in the future this may change). Also, aren't parrot-nqp and nqp different things? (parrot-nqp is currently used to build nqp). Are you saying one of them is nqp and

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