Re: Avoiding system d

2014-05-15 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 10:25:52AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: snip - I don't have the time for the trouble it would take to address this It is indeed much easier to throw mud than to bake bricks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe.

Re: Avoiding system d

2014-05-13 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez: [...] they don't want you to have the option of NOT using their stuff. http://www.landley.net/notes.html#23-04-2014 IMHO this is a gross mis-characterization. A whole lot more correct IMHO would be the idea that their developer time is best spent fixing the

Re: Avoiding system d

2014-05-13 Thread Marc Haber
On Tue, 13 May 2014 11:44:13 +0200, Matthias Urlichs matth...@urlichs.de wrote: It's also demonstrably false. Otherwise systemd would not be compatible with existing SysV init scripts (to the point that I can run them manually and, if they happen to load the LSB stuff, they transparently redirect

Re: Avoiding system d

2014-05-13 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 05/13/2014 05:44 AM, Matthias Urlichs wrote: Hi, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez: [...] they don't want you to have the option of NOT using their stuff. http://www.landley.net/notes.html#23-04-2014 IMHO this is a gross

Re: Avoiding system d

2014-05-13 Thread Axel Wagner
Hi, since the discussion goes back and forth on this blog-post, I thought I throw in the actual answer of lennart poettering to it: https://plus.google.com/u/0/+LennartPoetteringTheOneAndOnly/posts/aSYnf3wNf8h And this is pretty much all of my contribution to it, it just annoyed me, that no one

Re: Avoiding system d

2014-05-12 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
Hi Carlos and Marc, At Mon, 12 May 2014 04:21:10 +0200, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote: On 11/05/14 09:18, Marc Haber wrote: Something along the lines of systemd is technically needed and a good idea, but the people behind it do not come along nice. Completely agree. While I also

Re: Avoiding system d

2014-05-11 Thread Marc Haber
On Sat, 10 May 2014 19:47:10 +0100, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Sat 10 May 2014 at 12:05:25 -0400, John wrote: A couple of quotes from your mail: I find myself appalled at the rude and domineering attitudes of almost all systemd's defenders. You're not looking for flames? You're

Re: Avoiding system d

2014-05-11 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 05/11/2014 03:18 AM, Marc Haber wrote: On Sat, 10 May 2014 19:47:10 +0100, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Sat 10 May 2014 at 12:05:25 -0400, John wrote: A couple of quotes from your mail: I find myself appalled at the rude and

Re: Avoiding system d

2014-05-11 Thread Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez
On 11/05/14 09:18, Marc Haber wrote: On Sat, 10 May 2014 19:47:10 +0100, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Sat 10 May 2014 at 12:05:25 -0400, John wrote: A couple of quotes from your mail: I find myself appalled at the rude and domineering attitudes of almost all systemd's defenders.

Re: Avoiding system d

2014-05-10 Thread Brian
On Sat 10 May 2014 at 12:05:25 -0400, John wrote: Thanks for practical help. I'm not looking for more flames. A couple of quotes from your mail: I find myself appalled at the rude and domineering attitudes of almost all systemd's defenders. I don't trust them. You're not looking