Re: Backports, Stable releases, Testing, Oh my!

2014-03-01 Thread Julien Cristau
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 13:18:02 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote: AFAICT, it's 5 days now. The default urgency in dch is medium now, which britney interprets as 5 days for existing packages. Packages that aren't in testing have their urgency

Re: Backports, Stable releases, Testing, Oh my!

2014-03-01 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Julien Cristau wrote: No, packages that aren't in testing only have their urgency ignored if it's more than medium. So they're candidates for migration after either 5 or 10 days. Hmm, ok. Thanks for clarifying. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

Re: Backports, Stable releases, Testing, Oh my!

2014-02-27 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Peter Samuelson wrote: [micah] it feels like a bit too aggressive pressure for my tastes. I've seen a lot of developers of packages who have found out their package will be removed from testing, but don't have the time to resolve the situation before it gets

Re: Backports, Stable releases, Testing, Oh my!

2014-02-27 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 02/28/2014 09:40 AM, Michael Gilbert wrote: On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Peter Samuelson wrote: [micah] it feels like a bit too aggressive pressure for my tastes. I've seen a lot of developers of packages who have found out their package will be removed from testing, but don't have

Re: Backports, Stable releases, Testing, Oh my!

2014-02-27 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote: AFAICT, it's 5 days now. The default urgency in dch is medium now, which britney interprets as 5 days for existing packages. Packages that aren't in testing have their urgency ignored IIRC and migrate after 10 days. -- bye, pabs

Re: Backports, Stable releases, Testing, Oh my!

2014-02-26 Thread Vincent Cheng
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote: What shall we do? Remove from stable-bpo? Hope an update comes around? Does it make sense to revisit the rules? Does a wait until testing still make sense (ok, waiting always makes sense, but beyond the 'let it settle' thing)

Re: Backports, Stable releases, Testing, Oh my!

2014-02-26 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
Hi there. * Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org [2014-02-25 23:59:05 CET]: I'm sending to both -devel and backports. I'm not sure which is the correct list. If one's wrong, feel free to drop it in replies. I've been talking with a mentee about backporting procedures, and I've explained

Re: Backports, Stable releases, Testing, Oh my!

2014-02-26 Thread micah
Gerfried Fuchs rho...@deb.at writes: Remove from stable-bpo if it's not expected to come back in is what we actually do, yes. And to have an overview of these situations I created myself the diffstats page: http://backports.debian.org/wheezy-backports/overview/ Looking at the not

Re: Backports, Stable releases, Testing, Oh my!

2014-02-26 Thread James McCoy
On Feb 26, 2014 10:49 AM, micah mi...@debian.org wrote: For example, say package X has been backported at version 1.0, version 2.0 is uploaded to sid, transitions to jessie and then has an RC bug that threatens removal. If the RC bug is properly versioned, then the 1.0 upload, which isn't

Re: Backports, Stable releases, Testing, Oh my!

2014-02-26 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
Hi. * micah mi...@debian.org [2014-02-26 16:48:45 CET]: Gerfried Fuchs rho...@deb.at writes: Remove from stable-bpo if it's not expected to come back in is what we actually do, yes. And to have an overview of these situations I created myself the diffstats page:

Re: Backports, Stable releases, Testing, Oh my!

2014-02-26 Thread Peter Samuelson
[micah] it feels like a bit too aggressive pressure for my tastes. I've seen a lot of developers of packages who have found out their package will be removed from testing, but don't have the time to resolve the situation before it gets removed, resulting in much pulling of hair. If only we

Re: Backports, Stable releases, Testing, Oh my!

2014-02-26 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
* Peter Samuelson pet...@p12n.org [2014-02-26 18:36:10 CET]: [micah] it feels like a bit too aggressive pressure for my tastes. I've seen a lot of developers of packages who have found out their package will be removed from testing, but don't have the time to resolve the situation before

Re: Backports, Stable releases, Testing, Oh my!

2014-02-26 Thread Nick Phillips
On Wed, 2014-02-26 at 09:47 +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: Erm, no, not at all. A package in stable-bpo can't have a newer version than testing when we release. With the removal there can be two situations: * After fixing the issue that got the package removed from testing, the

Re: Backports, Stable releases, Testing, Oh my!

2014-02-26 Thread Russ Allbery
Nick Phillips nick.phill...@otago.ac.nz writes: And if the newer version, for example, has updated a database schema in a non-backward-compatible way? The same problem would apply to testing, so there would be a very high incentive to find a way to fix that for testing users. Backports users

Backports, Stable releases, Testing, Oh my!

2014-02-25 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
Howdy folks, I'm sending to both -devel and backports. I'm not sure which is the correct list. If one's wrong, feel free to drop it in replies. I've been talking with a mentee about backporting procedures, and I've explained why we don't backport until a package hits tending (stable stable-bpo

Re: Backports, Stable releases, Testing, Oh my!

2014-02-25 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 6:59 AM, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: However, with the new testing removals from the release team (which is totally great for creating an always releasable testing, many thanks for that), we can create a situation where stable-bpo has a newer version than testing when we

Re: Backports, Stable releases, Testing, Oh my!

2014-02-25 Thread Jan Wagner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi there, Am 26.02.14 00:33, schrieb Paul Wise: yes ... and the package installed from oldstable-backports is newer then oldstable. This situation we have had sometimes in the past (eg. php-suhosin). The problem that a package, which is in