I'm few weeks late to join this discussion but anyway I'd like to share a
bit of my experience with pulseaudio...
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 21:52:24 John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
The problem is that many people who complain about PulseAudio issues
are often prejudiced about it in the first place
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de writes:
I think most people simply don't configure PulseAudio correctly.
They have the assumption that sound cards are still simple devices
with one input jack and one output jack and any application using it
just has to find the sound
On 02/21/2014 09:29 AM, Mario Lang wrote:
I am sorry, both are not an option for me, since alsamixer is a ncurses
program, and pavucontrol apparently requires $DISPLAY to be set.
I guess that explains why the accessibility community has
problems with PA.
What's wrong with the accessibility
Le 2014-02-21 09:57, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz a écrit :
On 02/21/2014 09:29 AM, Mario Lang wrote:
I am sorry, both are not an option for me, since alsamixer is a
ncurses
program, and pavucontrol apparently requires $DISPLAY to be set.
I guess that explains why the accessibility community has
On 02/21/2014 11:38 AM, Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote:
Not the same accessibility. And the screen reader will not work if PA
does not work.
This is quite difficult to debug remotely; if the user cannot describe
the output of
commands, then we are doomed.
Doesn't this perfectly apply to ALSA
On 21-02-14 10:57, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 02/21/2014 09:29 AM, Mario Lang wrote:
I am sorry, both are not an option for me, since alsamixer is a ncurses
program, and pavucontrol apparently requires $DISPLAY to be set.
I guess that explains why the accessibility community has
Say that I use a screen reader. Someone helps me installing debian, configures
the volume level to non-zero and then I am on my own.
After a while some package decides to install PA, then the audio is gone, then
I'll need someone to come over a second time to help me with that.
So yes it
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On 02/21/2014 11:56 AM, Paul Gevers wrote:
I think the point of Mario is that people like him don't have a DE,
but work from console. I haven't checked, but apparently
pavucontrol needs an X-session to show itself. Of course ALSA has
the same
Hi,
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz:
There are a couple of command line utilities to control Pulse Audio in
the package pulseaudio-utils. But I haven't used it that much to be
able to assess whether it provides the features Mario needs.
pacmd allows you to enumerate outputs, set their volumes, and
Paul Gevers elb...@debian.org writes:
On 21-02-14 10:57, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 02/21/2014 09:29 AM, Mario Lang wrote:
I am sorry, both are not an option for me, since alsamixer is a ncurses
program, and pavucontrol apparently requires $DISPLAY to be set.
I guess that explains
On 02/21/2014 03:28 PM, Mario Lang wrote:
No, you have summarized it pretty neatly.
I just don't consider an X11 program a true alternative to a ncurses tool.
Did you give pulseaudio-utils a try then? They don't require X.
Adrian
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Hi,
Helmut Grohne:
Once you manually move a stream to a different sink, PA records your
decision and the default sink is no longer relevant for that client. So
when you move back, and restart your client, it is not affected by the
default sink. What you propose does not work. Do you have an
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 04:47:19AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
Hi,
Ben Hutchings:
So maybe the necessary change would be:
- move the pulseaudio ALSA plugins and this config file into a new
binary package
- rename the config file so it's not just an example
- make pulseaudio
Le mardi 18 février 2014 à 00:09 +0100, Andrew Shadura a écrit :
Sure, you need to put the MAC address of your headset in your
~/.asoundrc. That's pretty convenient and user-friendly.
Is it not?
No.
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On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:09:11AM +0100, Andrew Shadura wrote:
Is it not? It's much more convenient than fighting with a broken audio
server which was written by a bunch of not really sane people suffering
from some extreme form of a NIH syndrome.
I think that attacking people isn't a good
Hi,
Helmut Grohne:
* Set a different sink to be the default sink. This doesn't move any
existing streams.
but it takes care of the Future part. For the past one, obviously
you'll have to ask PA to enumerate the sink's inputs and then move them
to the new default one by one.
The
On 2014-02-18, Lars Wirzenius l...@liw.fi wrote:
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:09:11AM +0100, Andrew Shadura wrote:
Is it not? It's much more convenient than fighting with a broken audio
server which was written by a bunch of not really sane people suffering
from some extreme form of a NIH
Hello,
On 18 February 2014 09:33, Lars Wirzenius l...@liw.fi wrote:
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:09:11AM +0100, Andrew Shadura wrote:
Is it not? It's much more convenient than fighting with a broken audio
server which was written by a bunch of not really sane people suffering
from some extreme
On 18/02/2014 10:57, Andrew Shadura wrote:
Hello,
On 18 February 2014 09:33, Lars Wirzenius l...@liw.fi wrote:
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:09:11AM +0100, Andrew Shadura wrote:
Is it not? It's much more convenient than fighting with a broken audio
server which was written by a bunch of not
On 18 February 2014 11:37, Jean-Christophe Dubacq jcduba...@free.fr wrote:
This is obviously a feeling. Facts would be better.
Pulseaudio is not broken, not by large. Many linux users use it without
any problems; it is default on almost all distributions, including the
largest ones (Debian is
On 02/18/2014 11:51 AM, Andrew Shadura wrote:
The only time I has somehow working PulseAudio was when I installed
Ubuntu on a computer I was going to sell. However, it had some
extremely weird behaviour: music did play only as long as I was on the
same virtual console as the X server — as soon
Hello,
On 18 February 2014 12:03, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de wrote:
That works here just fine, just tested it while listening to music
on Youtube. You really must be doing something completely wrong
when you are having so much trouble with Pulse Audio.
I don't know
On 18/02/14 11:51, Andrew Shadura wrote:
The only time I has somehow working PulseAudio was when I installed
Ubuntu on a computer I was going to sell. However, it had some
extremely weird behaviour: music did play only as long as I was on the
same virtual console as the X server — as soon as I
In data martedì 18 febbraio 2014 12.03.57, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz ha
scritto:
That works here just fine, just tested it while listening to music
on Youtube. You really must be doing something completely wrong
when you are having so much trouble with Pulse Audio.
A certain number of users
Hi,
Salvo Tomaselli tipos...@tiscali.it writes:
A certain number of users seem to be having troubles with pulseaudio, yet you
keep insisting that it's just their fault and that since you can't reproduce
(have you even tried?) then the problem doesn't exist.
We understood it, for you
On 02/18/2014 12:13 PM, Salvo Tomaselli wrote:
In data martedì 18 febbraio 2014 12.03.57, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz ha
scritto:
That works here just fine, just tested it while listening to music
on Youtube. You really must be doing something completely wrong
when you are having so much
In data martedì 18 febbraio 2014 12.51.38, hai scritto:
Hi,
From my perspective, it's not that pulseaudio is broken and has to be purged
from existence, it is that reports from users who can't get any audio are
being responded to with: your fault, deal with it, pulseaudio works for me so
it's
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 13:58 +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 02/17/2014 01:37 PM, Norbert Preining wrote:
Why can you not simply say something like: Well yes, there seem
to be some problems and we will try to fix them if we can get hold
of enough input. You DDs should be able to
Hi,
Salvo Tomaselli:
• Make PA better? File a bug report
Get a bug report to be read instead of closed immediately? Post on debian-
devel I suppose.
OK, so we all (or most of us, anyway) admit that the original bug which
sparked this discussion could have been handled better. Worse, it's a
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 11:37:31AM +0100, Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote:
On 18/02/2014 10:57, Andrew Shadura wrote:
Hello,
On 18 February 2014 09:33, Lars Wirzenius l...@liw.fi wrote:
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:09:11AM +0100, Andrew Shadura wrote:
Is it not? It's much more convenient
On 18/02/2014 12:13, Salvo Tomaselli wrote:
In data martedì 18 febbraio 2014 12.03.57, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz ha
scritto:
That works here just fine, just tested it while listening to music
on Youtube. You really must be doing something completely wrong
when you are having so much trouble
Le lundi 17 février 2014 à 13:24 +, Wookey a écrit :
The main complaint in this thread seems to be 'my sound worked with
ALSA, but installing PA stopped/stops it working'. It seems to me that
PA should try very hard to make sure that whatever output ALSA was using
before is still used
Le mardi 18 février 2014 à 11:51 +0100, Andrew Shadura a écrit :
On 18 February 2014 11:37, Jean-Christophe Dubacq jcduba...@free.fr wrote:
This is obviously a feeling. Facts would be better.
Pulseaudio is not broken, not by large. Many linux users use it without
any problems; it is
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:17:53AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
but it takes care of the Future part. For the past one, obviously
you'll have to ask PA to enumerate the sink's inputs and then move them
to the new default one by one.
The pavucontrol GUI doesn't do that currently, but it
previously on this list Steve Langasek contributed:
All
software has bugs. The difference is in how you handle them.
And how many!!! AND how many per 1000 lines AND how many run with
priviledges.
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previously on this list John Paul Adrian Glaubitz contributed:
The problem is that many people who complain about PulseAudio issues
are often prejudiced about it in the first place such that they aren't
actually interested in having the problem fixed but rather just want
to get rid of it and
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 05:25:13PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le lundi 17 février 2014 à 13:24 +, Wookey a écrit :
The main complaint in this thread seems to be 'my sound worked with
ALSA, but installing PA stopped/stops it working'. It seems to me that
PA should try very hard to
On 17 Feb 2014 06:54, Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu wrote:
I have no idea whether this remark is helpful but this thread inspired
me to give pulseaudio another chance on one of my boxes (I had
deinstalled previously on all boxes where sound stoped working at some
point in time randomly).
On 02/17/2014 08:44 AM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
]] John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
So, if your computer has several sounds cards - which is the case when
you have both a sound card and HDMI audio - how is PulseAudio supposed
to know which sound card to use? This is in no way different to plain
Hi,
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz:
As an example, most users who use systemd probably still restart
services using /etc/init.d/service restart, just because it works.
It's simply less to type if you don't otherwise like bash-autocomplete. :-P
It's also noteworthy that complains about PulseAudio
Hi,
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz:
Use all of them. Most of them most likely aren't connected to anything,
so sending a signal there is harmless.
I don't know whether this is a good idea. What if I want to listen to
something over my headphones which I don't others want to hear and
I know
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 09:18:51AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
Hi,
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz:
As an example, most users who use systemd probably still restart
services using /etc/init.d/service restart, just because it works.
It's simply less to type if you don't otherwise like
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:57 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de wrote:
On 02/17/2014 08:37 AM, Chow Loong Jin wrote:
It might just be that DDs/computer experts just have more customized setups
that break in interesting ways when effort isn't spent porting the
Hi,
Chow Loong Jin:
It's simply less to type if you don't otherwise like bash-autocomplete. :-P
Really? I've been using service service restart which autocompletes well
too, and is even less to type. Works well with systemd, upstart, and sysvinit.
I intentionally disable bash autocomplete
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 04:26:31PM +0800, Chow Loong Jin wrote:
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 09:18:51AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
As an example, most users who use systemd probably still restart
services using /etc/init.d/service restart, just because it works.
It's simply less to type if you
On 17 Feb 2014 19:33, darkestkhan darkestk...@gmail.com wrote:
It is also noteworthy that when most of average users getting this kind
of problems would go back to Windows (hey, at least audio works there)
In my case, was the reverse. When Windows audio didn't work (incorrectly
says nothing
Hi,
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 09:02:56AM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Well. You can't blame PulseAudio if you have an .asoundrc in your home
directory which configures your sound card incorrectly.
I just want to confirm that I have no file ~/.asoundrc in my home dir
and I never had
Le samedi 15 février 2014 à 22:12 +0100, Salvo Tomaselli a écrit :
Well I am now biased against pulseaudio. But let's look at the facts: it
comes
by default, in the last 3 desktop machines that I've installed, it prevented
any audio to be heard.
Am I so unreasonable to think that since it
Hi Adrian,
On Mo, 17 Feb 2014, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Exactly what I have been thinking all the time. And I find the argument
all DDs are computer experts, so if they can't get it working it
must be broken a particularly bad one.
Well, the amount of DDs mentioning that on their
On 02/17/2014 01:37 PM, Norbert Preining wrote:
Why can you not simply say something like: Well yes, there seem
to be some problems and we will try to fix them if we can get hold
of enough input. You DDs should be able to provide decent information
to help track the problems down.
Then why on
+++ John Paul Adrian Glaubitz [2014-02-16 14:55 +0100]:
On 02/16/2014 01:05 PM, Alessio Treglia wrote:
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 12:50 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de wrote:
Well, I'm sorry but I would have probably reacted the same. You were not
reporting a bug,
On 02/17/2014 02:03 PM, Wookey wrote:
No it wasn't. He explicitly said 'I'll spare you my rants', and _didn't_
put in a big rant about how PA is a PITA. Yes it had some 'tone' due to
be filed just after being very annoyed by some problem. Sometimes that
happens. As a maintiner you have to look
+++ Josselin Mouette [2014-02-17 11:06 +0100]:
Le samedi 15 février 2014 à 22:12 +0100, Salvo Tomaselli a écrit :
Well I am now biased against pulseaudio. But let's look at the facts: it
comes
by default, in the last 3 desktop machines that I've installed, it
prevented
any audio to
+++ John Paul Adrian Glaubitz [2014-02-17 14:19 +0100]:
On 02/17/2014 02:03 PM, Wookey wrote:
No it wasn't. He explicitly said 'I'll spare you my rants', and _didn't_
put in a big rant about how PA is a PITA. Yes it had some 'tone' due to
be filed just after being very annoyed by some
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de writes:
On 02/17/2014 01:37 PM, Norbert Preining wrote:
Why can you not simply say something like: Well yes, there seem
to be some problems and we will try to fix them if we can get hold
of enough input. You DDs should be able to provide
Hi,
Bjørn Mork:
The goal of most users will be have sound, not install pulseaudio.
Most users will have PA installed anyway, so the second goal is already
met. :-P
A package which appear to be non-functional at install time is not
likely to receive any bug reports at all. Feel free to whine
On Mo, 17 Feb 2014, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
OK, I'll give every one of these people a Bluetooth headset instead.
(No that does not mean I'll actually pay for them …)
Tried to use one of these with ALSA lately?
Man, don't you get the point?
Yes, everyone here agrees that PA is in principle
Hi,
Norbert Preining:
Tried to use one of these with ALSA lately?
Man, don't you get the point?
I do. You didn't get mine, which was that if you have a choice of
(a) get PA working by at least filing a bug, or (b) get audio working by
uninstalling pulseaudio, then me presenting you with a
On 02/17/2014 03:57 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Exactly what I have been thinking all the time. And I find the argument
all DDs are computer experts, so if they can't get it working it
must be broken a particularly bad one.
No, that's not what I wrote. I wrote that it's too
On 2014-02-17 14:55, Bjørn Mork wrote:
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de writes:
[...]
If you want me to help you with your problem, you need to provide
something I can work on. Just claiming it doesn't work isn't helping
in this situation, I don't have a crystal ball I
On 02/17/2014 03:47 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
Your tendency to rewrite things that I write in a wrong way is annoying.
You wrote:
=
However, the fact that multiple DDs, which I do consider all as computer
experts, failed
On 02/17/2014 04:02 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Well. You can't blame PulseAudio if you have an .asoundrc in your home
directory which configures your sound card incorrectly.
Oh !!!
Now I do remember why my pulseaudio system works. It's because I
followed to the letter this howto:
Hello,
On 17 February 2014 15:47, Matthias Urlichs sm...@smurf.noris.de wrote:
Tried to use one of these with ALSA lately?
Man, don't you get the point?
I do. You didn't get mine, which was that if you have a choice of
(a) get PA working by at least filing a bug, or (b) get audio working
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 11:00:38PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
On 02/17/2014 04:02 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Well. You can't blame PulseAudio if you have an .asoundrc in your home
directory which configures your sound card incorrectly.
Oh !!!
Now I do remember why my
On 02/17/2014 11:03 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
I don't see how I am rewriting things in a wrong way. Do you want to
argue about the exact meaning of broken now?
Indeed, words are important. For me, when I read broken it means bugs
upstream, and I'm convince the problem is
On 02/17/2014 05:25 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
On 02/17/2014 11:03 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
I don't see how I am rewriting things in a wrong way. Do you want to
argue about the exact meaning of broken now?
Indeed, words are important. For me, when I read broken it means bugs
Le 2014-02-17 16:00, Thomas Goirand a écrit :
On 02/17/2014 04:02 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Well. You can't blame PulseAudio if you have an .asoundrc in your
home
directory which configures your sound card incorrectly.
Oh !!!
Now I do remember why my pulseaudio system works. It's
On Mon, 2014-02-17 at 18:05 +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 02/17/2014 05:25 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
On 02/17/2014 11:03 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
I don't see how I am rewriting things in a wrong way. Do you want to
argue about the exact meaning of broken now?
On Mon, 2014-02-17 at 18:15 +0100, Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote:
Le 2014-02-17 16:00, Thomas Goirand a écrit :
On 02/17/2014 04:02 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Well. You can't blame PulseAudio if you have an .asoundrc in your
home
directory which configures your sound card
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 08:57:53AM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 02/17/2014 08:37 AM, Chow Loong Jin wrote:
It might just be that DDs/computer experts just have more customized
setups
that break in interesting ways when effort isn't spent porting the
configuration
changes
❦ 17 février 2014 15:50 CET, Andrew Shadura and...@shadura.me :
I do. You didn't get mine, which was that if you have a choice of
(a) get PA working by at least filing a bug, or (b) get audio working by
uninstalling pulseaudio, then me presenting you with a nice shiny set of
Bluetooth
The primary (and AFAIR only) cause of no sound with PulseAudio that I
have encountered is that it doesnt know whether you want to hear sound
over the HDMI output or over the jack. Both appear to the system as two
different devices. So PA just selects one (I havent investigated how it
does
Hello,
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 22:51:20 +0100
Vincent Bernat ber...@debian.org wrote:
I do. You didn't get mine, which was that if you have a choice of
(a) get PA working by at least filing a bug, or (b) get audio
working by uninstalling pulseaudio, then me presenting you with a
nice shiny
❦ 18 février 2014 00:09 CET, Andrew Shadura and...@shadura.me :
That's not true; Bluetooth headphones work flawlessly with plain
ALSA (as I noted in my previous mail which somehow didn't reach the
list).
Sure, you need to put the MAC address of your headset in your
~/.asoundrc. That's
Hi,
Ben Hutchings:
So maybe the necessary change would be:
- move the pulseaudio ALSA plugins and this config file into a new
binary package
- rename the config file so it's not just an example
- make pulseaudio recommend that binary package
… except that when somebody does deinstall
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 09:02:56AM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
I don't know whether this is a good idea. What if I want to listen to
something over my headphones which I don't others want to hear and
I know about this feature. I expect the sound to be over headphones
only, yet it's
I'd like to take the opportunity to plug the pasystray package,
available in testing.
IMO it provides a friendlier interface to advanced pulse features than
pavucontrol.
Btw, does normal KDE mixer work with PA? I remember that when I tried it,
all ALSA channel volume levels were replaced by
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 12:50 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de wrote:
Well, I'm sorry but I would have probably reacted the same. You were not
reporting a bug, you were just ranting.
If you are willing to help, I am willing to cooperate and
send you
On 02/16/2014 01:05 PM, Alessio Treglia wrote:
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 12:50 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de wrote:
Well, I'm sorry but I would have probably reacted the same. You were not
reporting a bug, you were just ranting.
If you are willing to help, I
On Saturday 15 February 2014 09:22:53 Christian PERRIER wrote:
[snip]
I happened to come on this thread and finally learned that purging
pulseaudio from one's system seems to be the way to get sound working
back again in some situations. And, guess what? This is exactly the
problem I was
Hi,
On 02/16/2014 12:39 AM, Salvo Tomaselli wrote:
I said: If you are willing to help, I am willing to cooperate and send you
configuration and details about my system.
To which I got this answer: No, thanks. See my previous answer. (I think
referring to the fact that he isn't an expert).
Hi all,
On 15-02-14 21:11, Russ Allbery wrote:
All I'm saying, and all I think Steve is saying, is that audio not working
out of the box is some kind of bug. That's fine -- software has bugs. We
all know that. It might be an important bug, it might be a normal bug, it
might be a wishlist
On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 10:17:52AM +0100, Christian PERRIER wrote:
Quoting John Paul Adrian Glaubitz (glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de):
On 02/15/2014 09:22 AM, Christian PERRIER wrote:
So, before doing so: will that be helpful?
I think most people simply don't configure PulseAudio
Hi,
On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 09:05:42PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
I'll agree with that. Audio really should just work unless the hardware
configuration is particularly strange.
+1
So, if your computer has several sounds cards - which is the case when
you have both a sound
On 02/17/2014 02:52 PM, Andreas Tille wrote:
Hi,
On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 09:05:42PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
I'll agree with that. Audio really should just work unless the hardware
configuration is particularly strange.
+1
+1
So, if your computer has several sounds
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 03:09:25PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
[...]
However, the fact that multiple DDs, which I do consider all as computer
experts, failed to have a working setup, can only lead to the conclusion
that there's something wrong which has to be fixed, especially if it
comes by
]] John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
So, if your computer has several sounds cards - which is the case when
you have both a sound card and HDMI audio - how is PulseAudio supposed
to know which sound card to use? This is in no way different to plain
ALSA.
Use all of them. Most of them most likely
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 08:44:28AM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
If the configuration you get from install + upgrade is different than
just installing a newer version, that's a bug.
+1
BTW, my experience with reinstalling pulseaudio and breaking my sound by
doing so was after a purge of all
On 02/17/2014 08:37 AM, Chow Loong Jin wrote:
It might just be that DDs/computer experts just have more customized setups
that break in interesting ways when effort isn't spent porting the
configuration
changes to a new system. What follows is $new_thing sucks because $feature in
$old_thing
Quoting Matthias Urlichs (sm...@smurf.noris.de):
Hi,
Salvo Tomaselli:
You can restart pulse. No big problem except temporary interrupt of audio,
You mean a temporary presence of audio that will immediately go away as
soon
as pulse is running again right?
Don't be daft. My
On 02/15/2014 09:22 AM, Christian PERRIER wrote:
So, before doing so: will that be helpful?
I think most people simply don't configure PulseAudio correctly. They
have the assumption that sound cards are still simple devices with
one input jack and one output jack and any application using it
(admitedly, d-d is not the right place.I make the promise I won't
steal the list for too long but, hey, this thread has already been
useful to at least one person, so let's try to make it even mor euseful)
Quoting John Paul Adrian Glaubitz (glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de):
On 02/15/2014 09:22
- John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de wrote:
I think most people simply don't configure PulseAudio correctly. They
have the assumption that sound cards are still simple devices with
one input jack and one output jack and any application using it just
has to find the
On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 09:58:05AM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
I think most people simply don't configure PulseAudio correctly. They
have the assumption that sound cards are still simple devices with
one input jack and one output jack and any application using it just
has to find
On 02/15/2014 08:42 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:
If any configuration is required, that is a bug in pulseaudio.
According to that logic, half of the software in Debian is broken.
Adrian
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Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes:
On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 09:58:05AM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
I think most people simply don't configure PulseAudio correctly. They
have the assumption that sound cards are still simple devices with one
input jack and one output jack and
On 02/15/2014 08:59 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes:
On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 09:58:05AM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
I think most people simply don't configure PulseAudio correctly. They
have the assumption that sound cards are still simple devices
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de writes:
On 02/15/2014 08:59 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
I'll agree with that. Audio really should just work unless the
hardware configuration is particularly strange.
So, if your computer has several sounds cards - which is the case when
Hi,
Russ Allbery:
PulseAudio already implements. For example, if it's a common problem to
have the sound going through HDMI audio when people have a sound card,
maybe the default in that case should be to use the sound card rather than
HDMI. Or (and I don't know if that capability is
On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 08:50:18PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 02/15/2014 08:42 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:
If any configuration is required, that is a bug in pulseaudio.
According to that logic, half of the software in Debian is broken.
There's a difference between broken and
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