On Fri, 17 Feb 2023 23:09:15 -0600
David Wright wrote:
> On Thu 16 Feb 2023 at 08:59:58 (+0100), Nicolas George wrote:
> > pa...@quillandmouse.com (12023-02-15):
> > > Here's why you would partition a drive. Reinstalling (which I end
> > > up having to do every time Debian comes out with a new
On 16/02/2023 22:25, Joe wrote:
Stretch installed perfectly dual-boot with Win 10 on an EFI Acer
netbook, but upgrading to Buster broke booting to grub. It actually
broke EFI booting completely, but I've been able to restore booting at
least to Windows. And yes, I've tried everything the Net can
On Thu 16 Feb 2023 at 08:59:58 (+0100), Nicolas George wrote:
> pa...@quillandmouse.com (12023-02-15):
> > Here's why you would partition a drive. Reinstalling (which I end up
> > having to do every time Debian comes out with a new version
>
> Debian is not Ubuntu, major upgrade do not break the
Cindy Sue Causey wrote:
...
have you tried refind?
i've been using it for several years now and while i do still
have grub installed and it gets updated i primarily use refind
instead.
songbird
On Fri, 17 Feb 2023 19:33:32 +
"Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote:
> It's likely that LILO will go with Bookworm - I think it's more or
> less unmaintained if I recall correctly, so someone needs to help you
> getting this one to work. Is this your only machine?
It doesn't seem to be in Bookworm
On Fri, Feb 17, 2023 at 02:11:02PM -0500, Cindy Sue Causey wrote:
> > Upgrades are definitely a lot more trouble now, and yes, I do realise
> > that each release is bigger and more complicated than the last.
>
>
> Ditto. I can still remember saying (on Debian-User) that if someone
> wanted to
On 2/16/23, Joe wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 08:59:58 +0100
> Nicolas George wrote:
>
>> pa...@quillandmouse.com (12023-02-15):
>> > Here's why you would partition a drive. Reinstalling (which I end up
>> > having to do every time Debian comes out with a new version
>>
>> Debian is not Ubuntu,
On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 08:59:58 +0100
Nicolas George wrote:
> pa...@quillandmouse.com (12023-02-15):
> > Here's why you would partition a drive. Reinstalling (which I end up
> > having to do every time Debian comes out with a new version
>
> Debian is not Ubuntu, major upgrade do not break the
> Therefore, except for the narrow case of writing into a block which has
> never before been written, every write on a SSD *is* an erase+write
> operation.
No, that would lead to terribly poor performance (both in terms of
speed and in terms of wear).
>> So: you read the whole block, blank it,
The Wanderer (12023-02-16):
> That is exactly what I've always been told *does* happen, ever since
> first reading about how SSDs et cetera work, more than a decade ago.
> This is the first time I've seen a suggestion to the contrary.
This is surprising to me, since I have had the exact opposite
On 2023-02-16 at 08:10, Nicolas George wrote:
> The Wanderer (12023-02-16):
>
>> filesystems et cetera aligned to physical blocks, because physical block
>> size defines the minimum size that can be erased (and, therefore,
>> overwritten) in any given operation,
>
> This is true. Note: erased,
The Wanderer (12023-02-16):
> filesystems et cetera aligned to physical blocks, because physical block
> size defines the minimum size that can be erased (and, therefore,
> overwritten) in any given operation,
This is true. Note: erased, not written.
> and
On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 02:22:56AM -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
What physical boundaries do SSDs have to report? All I know about that are
exposed
are sector size and sector count. I have yet to find one where logical/physical
were not 512B/512B.
Don't worry about it; modern partition tools
Am 16.02.2023 um 13:30 schrieb DdB:
> Unfortunately, the
> data set related to this, i could gather personally is not large
> enough to be telling.
https://www.servethehome.com/ssd-alignment-quickly-benchmark-ssd/
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Am 16.02.2023 um 13:00 schrieb The Wanderer:
> This being the very first time I can remember having encountered
> even the suggestion that there's no need to be concerned about
> erase-block sizes when dealing with SSDs et cetera, I hope it's
>
On 2023-02-16 at 05:45, Nicolas George wrote:
> DdB (12023-02-16):
>
>> Am 16.02.2023 um 09:31 schrieb Felix Miata:
>> > None of the 25 or so SSDs/NVMEs I have have 4k sectors. e.g.
>>
>> Wow, they must be rather old, then. ;-)
>>
>> I know, i am not the only one ...
>>
DdB (12023-02-16):
> Am 16.02.2023 um 09:31 schrieb Felix Miata:
> > None of the 25 or so SSDs/NVMEs I have have 4k sectors. e.g.
>
> Wow, they must be rather old, then. ;-)
>
> I know, i am not the only one ...
> https://serverfault.com/questions/1113068/how-to-find-page-size-of-my-ssd
Of
Am 16.02.2023 um 09:31 schrieb Felix Miata:
> None of the 25 or so SSDs/NVMEs I have have 4k sectors. e.g.
Wow, they must be rather old, then. ;-)
I know, i am not the only one ...
https://serverfault.com/questions/1113068/how-to-find-page-size-of-my-ssd
DdB composed on 2023-02-16 09:15 (UTC+0100):
> Felix Miata wrote:
>> What physical boundaries do SSDs have to report? All I know about that are
>> exposed
>> are sector size and sector count. I have yet to find one where
>> logical/physical
>> were not 512B/512B.
> That is what i meant:
Am 16.02.2023 um 08:22 schrieb Felix Miata:
> What physical boundaries do SSDs have to report? All I know about that are
> exposed
> are sector size and sector count. I have yet to find one where
> logical/physical
> were not 512B/512B.
That is what i meant: nowadays SSD's at least are AF
pa...@quillandmouse.com (12023-02-15):
> Here's why you would partition a drive. Reinstalling (which I end up
> having to do every time Debian comes out with a new version
Debian is not Ubuntu, major upgrade do not break the system.
--
Nicolas George
DdB composed on 2023-02-16 07:44 (UTC+0100):
> I do use (NVMe-) SSD, and i did partition it.
> I did it to make sure, pages/partitions start on PHYSICAL boundaries,
> not the logical ones reported to satisfy Windooze.
What physical boundaries do SSDs have to report? All I know about that are
Am 16.02.2023 um 07:44 schrieb DdB:
> I do use (NVMe-) SSD, and i did partition it.
> I did it to make sure, pages/partitions start on PHYSICAL boundaries,
> not the logical ones reported to satisfy Windooze. Not every model
> reports correct hardware parameters to the OS.
>
> What i would
Am 15.02.2023 um 23:58 schrieb PMA:
> Dear Debian,
>
> I'm preparing to install Debian 11.5.0 on a new computer.
> Its drives are SSDs, not the HDDs I've been accustomed
> to and have always fastidiously *partitioned*.
>
> With my file groupings already well differentiated c/o
> directory-tree
On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 11:23:52PM -0500, pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote:
Here's why you would partition a drive. Reinstalling (which I end up
having to do every time Debian comes out with a new version) means
overwriting the storage.
I already acknowleged that people can do what they want
On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 18:45:49 -0500
Michael Stone wrote:
>
> I don't personally think there's a point in partitioning any storage
> device on a user system these days beyond what's required to boot. If
> you want to do more, that's a personal preference. Being an SSD
> doesn't really change
On 2/15/23 14:58, PMA wrote:
Dear Debian,
I'm preparing to install Debian 11.5.0 on a new computer.
Please tell us about the computer, the environment it will be deployed
in (including Internet access or none), and the role of the computer.
Its drives are SSDs, not the HDDs I've been
On 15/02/2023 22:58, PMA wrote:
is there any further advantage
to be had in partitioning *these* drives?
Although some people still prefer to leave about 20% of a SSD as raw
unpartitioned space, so SSD can spare/level out sectors to that empty
space, this is IMO on longer necessary, as you
On 16/2/23 07:45, Michael Stone wrote:
I don't personally think there's a point in partitioning any storage
device on a user system these days beyond what's required to boot. If
you want to do more, that's a personal preference. Being an SSD
doesn't really change things.
I agree with
On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 05:58:47PM -0500, PMA wrote:
I'm preparing to install Debian 11.5.0 on a new computer.
Its drives are SSDs, not the HDDs I've been accustomed
to and have always fastidiously *partitioned*.
With my file groupings already well differentiated c/o
directory-tree layout, is
Dear Debian,
I'm preparing to install Debian 11.5.0 on a new computer.
Its drives are SSDs, not the HDDs I've been accustomed
to and have always fastidiously *partitioned*.
With my file groupings already well differentiated c/o
directory-tree layout, is there any further advantage
to be had in
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