Re: Call for seconds: Delegate to the DPL

2023-12-07 Thread Santiago Ruano Rincón
El 02/12/23 a las 01:07, Bill Allombert escribió: > On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 04:36:29PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > Bill Allombert dijo [Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 10:07:29PM +0100]: > > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 09:25:17AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > > > This is also something we discussed before

Re: Call for seconds: Delegate to the DPL

2023-12-02 Thread Bart Martens
On Sat, Dec 02, 2023 at 01:07:21AM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: > On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 04:36:29PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > Bill Allombert dijo [Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 10:07:29PM +0100]: > > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 09:25:17AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > > > This is also something we

Re: Call for seconds: Delegate to the DPL

2023-12-01 Thread Bill Allombert
On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 04:36:29PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Bill Allombert dijo [Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 10:07:29PM +0100]: > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 09:25:17AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > > This is also something we discussed before sending this call for > > > votes. But how can we gauge

Re: Call for seconds: Delegate to the DPL

2023-11-29 Thread Bart Martens
On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 07:59:01PM -0700, Bdale Garbee wrote: > Gunnar Wolf writes: > > > But I believe our project is _first and foremost_ a political > > statement (that produces a first-grade technological artifact). > > I understand your position, but I see this exactly in the opposite way.

Re: Call for seconds: Delegate to the DPL

2023-11-28 Thread Bdale Garbee
Gunnar Wolf writes: > But I believe our project is _first and foremost_ a political > statement (that produces a first-grade technological artifact). I understand your position, but I see this exactly in the opposite way. Bdale signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Call for seconds: Delegate to the DPL

2023-11-28 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Bill Allombert dijo [Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 10:07:29PM +0100]: > On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 09:25:17AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > This is also something we discussed before sending this call for > > votes. But how can we gauge whether the project is OK with issuing > > political statements or not?

Re: Call for seconds: Delegate to the DPL

2023-11-28 Thread Bill Allombert
On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 09:25:17AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > This is also something we discussed before sending this call for > votes. But how can we gauge whether the project is OK with issuing > political statements or not? The only tool we were able to find is a > GR. The less we know about

Re: Call for seconds: Delegate to the DPL

2023-11-28 Thread Russ Allbery
Gunnar Wolf writes: > This is also something we discussed before sending this call for > votes. But how can we gauge whether the project is OK with issuing > political statements or not? The only tool we were able to find is a GR. To be very clear, I have absolutely no objections to the GR

Re: Call for seconds: Delegate to the DPL

2023-11-28 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Russ Allbery dijo [Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 12:39:50PM -0800]: > Bill Allombert writes: > > > Much less, because there have been other laws proposal that could affect > > us and we have never put out a similar statement so nobody should expect > > Debian to make one now. Yes. We did discuss on the

Re: Call for seconds: Delegate to the DPL

2023-11-27 Thread Russ Allbery
Bill Allombert writes: > Much less, because there have been other laws proposal that could affect > us and we have never put out a similar statement so nobody should expect > Debian to make one now. Yes. Debian is organized around producing a free software distribution, not around legal or

Re: Call for seconds: Delegate to the DPL

2023-11-27 Thread Bill Allombert
Le Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 04:14:51PM -0500, Roberto C. Sánchez a écrit : > On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 10:06:42PM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote: > > On 2023/11/26 21:24, Bill Allombert wrote: > > > We should not just put out a statement just because others have done so, > > > because > > > we might

Re: Call for seconds: Delegate to the DPL

2023-11-26 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 10:06:42PM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote: > On 2023/11/26 21:24, Bill Allombert wrote: > > We should not just put out a statement just because others have done so, > > because > > we might inadvertently propagate FUD. > > Yep, it's a minefield. Anything we say can be used

Re: Call for seconds: Delegate to the DPL

2023-11-26 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2023/11/26 21:24, Bill Allombert wrote: We should not just put out a statement just because others have done so, because we might inadvertently propagate FUD. Yep, it's a minefield. Anything we say can be used by a manipulative politician to make it seem that we support their cause.

Re: Call for seconds: Delegate to the DPL

2023-11-26 Thread Bill Allombert
On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 09:59:16AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > As I understand, the EU legislative process is quite advanced now, and > I doubt we have the time to build "the perfect response". And the > answer from the EU legislative body will not be to read and consider > each bullet point we

Re: Call for seconds: Delegate to the DPL

2023-11-25 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Bill Allombert dijo [Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 10:33:34AM +]: > > > I offer the following ballot option for your consideration. > > > > > > - GENERAL RESOLUTION STARTS - > > > > > > The Debian developers delegate to the Debian Project Leader the task of > > > issuing > > > a Public

Re: Call for seconds: Delegate to the DPL

2023-11-25 Thread Bill Allombert
Le Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 07:38:40PM +0200, Jonathan Carter a écrit : > Hi Bill > > On 2023/11/24 19:14, Bill Allombert wrote: > > I offer the following ballot option for your consideration. > > > > - GENERAL RESOLUTION STARTS - > > > > The Debian developers delegate to the Debian

Re: Call for seconds: Delegate to the DPL

2023-11-24 Thread Jonathan Carter
Hi Bill On 2023/11/24 19:14, Bill Allombert wrote: I offer the following ballot option for your consideration. - GENERAL RESOLUTION STARTS - The Debian developers delegate to the Debian Project Leader the task of issuing a Public Statement about the 'EU Cyber Resilience Act and

Call for seconds: Delegate to the DPL

2023-11-24 Thread Bill Allombert
Dear Developers, I offer the following ballot option for your consideration. - GENERAL RESOLUTION STARTS - The Debian developers delegate to the Debian Project Leader the task of issuing a Public Statement about the 'EU Cyber Resilience Act and the Product Liability Directive' that