On 2/12/20 4:15 PM, Britt Yazel wrote:
>
> If I remember correctly our conversation last month, you said you didn't
> want a web browser open as it provided tabs to distractions. At which
> point I mentioned the electron Flatpak (which contains no such tabs),
> but you weren't having it.
I share
On Wed, 12 Feb, 2020 at 12:30, Michael Catanzaro
wrote:
(b) Replace our IRC with an actual Matrix server, so we get native
Matrix. Matrix is very nice as long as you're not using the abysmal
IRC bridge, which is unfit for purpose.
+1
The usability of IRC is terrible for normal people and
Huh? RocketChat Experimental + the dark theme it comes with is pretty
fabulous IMO. I genuinely like the React Native app they have for IOs and
Android.
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 4:20 PM Zander Brown wrote:
> > I do not use it mobile that much, but enough to notice Riot is not
> > mature yet. I
I appreciate your candor in sharing your reasons. I'd also like to make it
clear that I wasn't digging for any uncomfortable sharing of information.
That said, what makes an electron application (since we're avoiding web
browsers here, which I understand) significantly more distracting than an
IRC
> I do not use it mobile that much, but enough to notice Riot is not
> mature yet. I have not tested RocketChat mobile app. YMMV.
I suggest you continue in your innocence :-)
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On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 5:29 AM Christian Hergert wrote:
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> On 2/12/20 3:32 PM, Britt Yazel wrote:
> > Can you explain to me what the big issue with web clients are? I keep
> > hearing over and over again that developers don't want to use web
> > clients, either in browser or with Electron, but
On 2/12/20 3:32 PM, Britt Yazel wrote:
> Can you explain to me what the big issue with web clients are? I keep
> hearing over and over again that developers don't want to use web
> clients, either in browser or with Electron, but I don't recall ever
> hearing a "why" in there.
I'll repeat what I
Can you explain to me what the big issue with web clients are? I keep
hearing over and over again that developers don't want to use web clients,
either in browser or with Electron, but I don't recall ever hearing a "why"
in there.
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 3:24 PM Michael Catanzaro
wrote:
> On
On Wed, 2020-02-12 at 14:09 -0800, Britt Yazel wrote:
> [... ] I could see an argument being that Matrix has Fractal and
> therefor is a nice GTK client, but, unfortunately as it is to say, my
> experience with Fractal was a bit iffy at best. I cannot even count
> the number of messages just
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 2:09 pm, Britt Yazel wrote:
I have had horrible experiences with Matrix/Riot.im. I'm not sure
which of those is due to the IRC bridge or which is due to Matrix
itself, or which is due to the clients, but I really shouldn't 'have'
to know the chat system at that level.
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 10:53 PM Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> So it seems we have two GNOME clients for Matrix
Since I know some of the people who keep using IRC are actually using
something like irssi (maybe with tmux/screen) or weechat and care more
about a terminal option than a GNOME one,
Here's my two cents, granted this is not going to be an academically backed
response, just my personal take.
I have had horrible experiences with Matrix/Riot.im. I'm not sure which of
those is due to the IRC bridge or which is due to Matrix itself, or which
is due to the clients, but I really
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 10:43 PM Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> The problem there is simply that you can never log off once you join the IRC
> bridge
Ha! So that must be what Georges was talking about! I didn’t get that
it was about *IRC* servers.
> (or, if such a way exists, it's so hard to
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 4:23 pm, Georges Basile Stavracas Neto via
desktop-devel-list wrote:
The Riot application is hard to use. It took me days to figure out
how to connect
to a GNOME room. It doesn't allow me to log out of the servers.
These are all problems with the IRC bridge, not with
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 7:07 pm, Zander Brown wrote:
My concern would be the "federal" nature of matrix where people don't
need a
gnome.org specific chat account to join a room. Whilst there are a
lot of
arguments for this I'm increasingly convinced it's an anti-feature
especially
if we want
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 8:45 pm, Jan Alexander Steffens via
desktop-devel-list wrote:
We currently have loads of garbage IRC users in the channels after
the bridge hosted at matrix.org was replaced with one hosted at the
gnome.org homeserver. The old bridge left its Matrix users in the
rooms
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 8:16 pm, Alexandre Franke
wrote:
Not immediately relevant to the issue but would help me as I’m a bit
confused: weren’t *you* on Matrix rather than IRC?
No, I was using IRC.
I’m pretty sure one gets at least a notification in the GIMPNet IRC
Bridge status
On 12/02/2020 19.30, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> Personally, I think native Matrix would be a *lot* nicer than IRC, if we
> have sysadmin time to get it set up, but I'm not going to be picky here.
> I'd just like us to be able to trust that we're not missing important
> messages.
I have
I've seen this happen more than once
In one room we even had a feedback loop for a while before we mass-kicked the
ghost users (python matrix module all the things!)
On Wed, 2020-02-12 at 21:07 +0100, Alexandre Franke wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 8:46 PM Jan Alexander Steffens
> wrote:
> >
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 8:46 PM Jan Alexander Steffens
wrote:
> We currently have loads of garbage IRC users in the channels after the bridge
> hosted at matrix.org was replaced with one hosted at the gnome.org
> homeserver. The old bridge left its Matrix users in the rooms and the new
>
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020, 20:16 Alexandre Franke wrote:
> Not immediately relevant to the issue but would help me as I’m a bit
> confused: weren’t *you* on Matrix rather than IRC?
>
We currently have loads of garbage IRC users in the channels after the
bridge hosted at matrix.org was replaced with
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 8:23 PM Georges Basile Stavracas Neto via
desktop-devel-list wrote:
> It doesn't allow me to log out of the servers.
>
I’m not sure what you mean by that. What would that action achieve as a
result?
> Matrix apparently
> doesn't allow turning off federation, and to me
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 8:20 PM Link Dupont wrote:
> On Wed, 2020-02-12 at 20:16 +0100, Alexandre Franke wrote:
> > The Matrix folks offered to host our instance on
> > [Modular](https://modular.im/) just like they already do for KDE and
> > now Mozilla too[1], so sysadmin time is not a problem,
Personally, my experiences with Matrix have been catastrophic so far. So
much
so that I'm convinced that Rocket.Chat, with all it's flaws and
misbehaviors, is
a better option on the long run.
The Riot application is hard to use. It took me days to figure out how to
connect
to a GNOME room. It
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 8:07 PM Zander Brown wrote:
> I've used the matrix bridge for years now (I'm generally only on irc "for
> real"
> to fix things after the bridge does crazy things like de-op me or change my
> nick without warning...)
>
> Matrix isn't perfect. matrix.org, the main
On Wed, 2020-02-12 at 20:16 +0100, Alexandre Franke wrote:
> The Matrix folks offered to host our instance on
> [Modular](https://modular.im/) just like they already do for KDE and
> now Mozilla too[1], so sysadmin time is not a problem, is it?
>
> [1] they just switched, details at
>
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 7:31 PM Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> Hi,
Hi,
> I just got an email from a new-ish contributor: "I sent you some PMs
> about a week ago but I think you weren't online when I sent them so I'm
> assuming you didn't receive anything." Problem is the Matrix IRC bridge
>
I've used the matrix bridge for years now (I'm generally only on irc "for real"
to fix things after the bridge does crazy things like de-op me or change my
nick without warning...)
Matrix isn't perfect. matrix.org, the main "homeserver", regularly has high
latency further exacerbated by the
Hi,
I just got an email from a new-ish contributor: "I sent you some PMs
about a week ago but I think you weren't online when I sent them so I'm
assuming you didn't receive anything." Problem is the Matrix IRC bridge
presents all IRC users as online, even when they're not. If an IRC user
is
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