Re: Diversity: How many disabled people are at Apache

> Now, this is what I know as "equality in opportunity" and is why I am somewhat skeptical to efforts focused on increasing so called diversity for the sake of diversity, also known as "equality in outcome". The implication of this line of thought is that, for example, women have the opportunity

Re: Draft Blog Post Re: Upcoming Committer Diversity Survey

ng some final testing on it. > > Thanks > Sharan > > On 2016-11-23 15:52 (+0100), Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org> wrote: > > Awesome work! Thanks Sharan! > > > > When will this go out? > > > > Do you mind me tweeting about being excited about the surve

Re: Draft Blog Post Re: Upcoming Committer Diversity Survey

Awesome work! Thanks Sharan! When will this go out? Do you mind me tweeting about being excited about the survey before the blog post goes out? (i.e. right now) On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 at 11:35 Sharan Foga wrote: > Hi All > > I've updated the proposed blog post to make this a

Re: On Codes of Conduct

lt;wr...@rowe-clan.net> wrote: > I think you misinterpreted a couple things... > > On Nov 17, 2016 02:18, "Noah Slater" <nsla...@apache.org> wrote:. > > > > I quoted a chunk of an email that was sent to me privately because the > > person who sent i

Re: Encouraging Diversity - Update 6

Agreed with Sam. Saying "ignore it" ensures our communities will only be made up of people who are hardy enough or privileged enough to be able to ignore such things. We're not enforcing people's feelings of safety. Nor are we enforcing people's happiness. Of course, we could never do that. They

Re: On Codes of Conduct

The thread you're referencing contains a number of actionable, productive suggestions. Indeed, mine and other's participation on that thread was an attempt to counteract derailment. I quoted a chunk of an email that was sent to me privately because the person who sent it had already offered to

Re: Encouraging Diversity - Update 6

ct. Though having worked with Joan now for many years on CouchDB, I would be surprised if she didn't at least thin something approximately similar. On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 at 23:53 Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org> wrote: > This is the last email I am going to send on the specifics of me not &g

Re: Encouraging Diversity - Update 6

to justify themselves to you is not okay behaviour. But I am going to stop talking about this now. I don't think I can explain it any better than this. Perhaps someone else can chime in if they think they can help. On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 at 03:17 Niclas Hedhman <nic...@hedhman.org> w

Re: Encouraging Diversity - Update 6

Not sure how we got here. I wasn't suggesting we update our code of conduct. Niclas was attacking the concept of "safety", so I was providing a concrete example of someone (me) who does not feel safe. Niclas’s response is an example of the sort of thing that has contributed to me not feeling

Re: Encouraging Diversity - Update 6

uot; we aim for? As it happens, I wasn't bringing up my bad experiences to make any concrete point about what we should or should not do re policy, only to refute Niclas's nonsense idea that "safety" is not a word we should be using. On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 at 16:58 Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.or

Re: Encouraging Diversity - Update 6

anything. Cheers Niclas On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 7:12 AM, Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org> wrote: > I took a leave of absence from the ASF for over a year (my previous email > on this thread was one of my first since returning) precisely because the > treatment I got on these mai

Re: Encouraging Diversity - Update 6

I took a leave of absence from the ASF for over a year (my previous email on this thread was one of my first since returning) precisely because the treatment I got on these mailing lists was so deleterious for my mental health that I had to take a break, for my safety. Positioning *war* as the

Re: Encouraging Diversity - Update 6

Some things we did on CouchDB that I think could work for other projects: - Started a lot of discussions (some private, some public) regarding people's conduct on IRC, bug trackers, mailing lists etc (moving people to a more "yes, and" culture, encouraging friendly and open communication,

Re: BarCampApache offshoot: codes of conduct

action when it happens. I think this thread and others have made us all aware of the common responsibility we share, and awareness is to me the most important part. rgds jan i. - Shane -- Noah Slater https://twitter.com/nslater

Re: Code of Conduct - links to why they are needed etc

enforcing the CoC. If not that, a recommendation from the Community PMC to the board to take the appropriate action. And failing that, for the Board itself to step in and take such action. On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 at 18:20 Shane Curcuru a...@shanecurcuru.org wrote: On 3/25/15 12:00 PM, Noah Slater

Re: Code of Conduct - links to why they are needed etc

*or where ever On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 at 18:46 Noah Slater nsla...@apache.org wrote: Oh, thanks for the input Shane! I don't want to make the punitive measures stuff too complex. It should be simple and easy to understand for both those who want protection from harassment and so on, and those

Re: Code of Conduct - links to why they are needed etc

Jan, Late to the party here, sorry. But I wanna reply to your point that the CoC is not meant to be enforceable. That is not the case, as I understand it. Indeed, an unenforceable or not-regularly-enforced CoC is not worthless, it's actually *harmful* and dangerous for marginalised people in our

Re: Code of Conduct - links to why they are needed etc

Yep, thanks for the reply. I'm not sure how to handle the governance side of this. But I'm sure we can come to an agreement on this list soon. On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 at 15:13 jan i j...@apache.org wrote: On 25 March 2015 at 13:08, Noah Slater nsla...@apache.org wrote: Jan, Late to the party

Re: Code of conduct

, but, rather, standing on the shoulders of giants. I honestly can't figure out why we didn't just do this years ago, other than expecting that someone else would. So, without further ado: http://www.apache.org/foundation/policies/conduct.html Patches welcome. I've also asked Noah Slater, who

Re: ASF Status website and project health reporting

can improve regarding community building. Best regards, Pierre Smits ORRTIZ.COM Services Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail Trade http://www.orrtiz.com -- Noah Slater https://twitter.com/nslater

Re: Missing definition of hat in glossary

-wearing-the-role-hat -- Lefty On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Noah Slater nsla...@apache.org wrote: Hello, I notice that hat is missing from the glossary. I can't find any other definitive definition of it on our website. I want to use it in some bylaws I'm drafting but was hoping to link

Re: New Committer Orientation

Humbedooh just clarified that it is a non-archived list, which is why I couldn't find it on mail-archives. Thanks! On 17 January 2014 14:12, Noah Slater nsla...@apache.org wrote: How might I sign up for receiving such mails? On 17 January 2014 07:34, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com

Re: t...@apache.org ?

It would be a shame to scrap the idea because we are presuming the worst in everyone. That seems very anti-ASF to me. A better approach might be to appoint social moderators (i.e. gate keepers of the civility) that reign the conversation back in if and when things go off-track. Also, we do have a

Re: t...@apache.org ?

. On 7 May 2013 19:03, Ulrich Stärk u...@spielviel.de wrote: We already have a listing at [1]. It's hidden behind 2 clicks from the main site. We could use that as a starting point. Uli [1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ On 07.05.2013 18:22, Noah Slater wrote: A note

Re: Presentation and Projects without DOAP

On 23 April 2013 10:56, Davide Galletti davide.galle...@gmail.com wrote: It turned out that no projects are missing a DOAP file; How did you ascertain this? I don't think CouchDB has a DOAP file, as we're not listed on http://projects.apache.org/indexes/quick.html for instance. -- NS

Re: Presentation and Projects without DOAP

I get the impression that they're both generated from the same source. i.e. They will always have 100% parity. Any missing projects, like CouchDB are going to be missing from both files. On 4 May 2013 22:35, Davide Galletti davide.galle...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/05/2013 14:39, Noah Slater

Re: Feedback on Flex board report

I interpreted Luciano's -1 as a general I am not in favour of this proposal, which seems like a perfectly valid use. Even if it were being cast _as_ a veto on some code change or other, I still think it would be valid, as it comes with justification. (That other people might disagree with that

Re: Spam on Women's Wiki

Also, multiple ways to request access. See the header at the top of every page on http://wiki.apache.org/couchdb/ On 17 April 2013 10:48, Nick Burch n...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, 17 Apr 2013, Ross Gardler wrote: Do we want to set up some spam control on the wiki? Anyone know how? I'd

Re: Call for moderators

Me too. On 17 April 2013 00:09, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: It seems that we need another moderator or two for this list - any volunteers? Ross Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com -- NS

Difference between this and community-discuss

Hey, What's the difference between this mailing list and community-discuss@a.o? Is that mailing list a part of this project? Thanks! -- NS

Re: Difference between this and community-discuss

Hey, Thanks for the responses. Sorry, yes, I think I messed that up, I mean: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-community/ I was wondering if the two mailing lists are related. Interested in lurking on this list, and wondered whether I should lurk on the other one too. And also