> On Mar 30, 2019, at 2:50 PM, Naomi Slater wrote:
>
> On Sat, 30 Mar 2019 at 19:23, Jim Jagielski wrote:
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>>
>> Discrimination, by definition, is unjust, unwarranted or prejudicial.
>>
>
> simplistic and incorrect
>
> discrimination, *by definition*, means you discriminate, i.e., tell
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 2:17 PM Ross Gardler wrote:
> I think the problem is that *I* used the term "positive discrimination". That
> has led to an interpretation of someone elses words through a cloudy lens.
> Before making assumptions about that other persons intent you should listen
> to
rmative action" from now on...
>
>
> From: Naomi Slater
> Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 11:50 AM
> To: dev@community.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Building and Sustaining Inclusive Communities (was: on
> "meritocracy")
>
> On Sat, 30 Mar 2019 at 19:23, Jim Jagielski wr
omi Slater
> Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 11:50 AM
> To: dev@community.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Building and Sustaining Inclusive Communities (was: on
> "meritocracy")
>
> On Sat, 30 Mar 2019 at 19:23, Jim Jagielski wrote:
>
>>
>> Discrimination, by
Let use the term "affirmative action" from now on...
From: Naomi Slater
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 11:50 AM
To: dev@community.apache.org
Subject: Re: Building and Sustaining Inclusive Communities (was: on
"meritocracy")
On Sat,
On Sat, 30 Mar 2019 at 19:23, Jim Jagielski wrote:
>
> Discrimination, by definition, is unjust, unwarranted or prejudicial.
>
simplistic and incorrect
discrimination, *by definition*, means you discriminate, i.e., tell apart
we discriminate when we determine who "has merit". but most people
> On Mar 30, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Eric Covener wrote:
>
>> I'm not going to (intentionally) actively discriminate for or against
>> anyone. But I will protect your right, as an individual, to do so as long as
>> you protect my right to help you achieve the
>> right balance in our broader
ore making assumptions about that other persons intent you should listen to
their words. Have you watched Joan's presentation?
Ross
From: Eric Covener
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 10:32 AM
To: dev@community.apache.org
Subject: Re: Building and Sustaining
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 1:33 PM Eric Covener wrote:
>
> > I'm not going to (intentionally) actively discriminate for or against
> > anyone. But I will protect your right, as an individual, to do so as long
> > as you protect my right to help you achieve the
> > right balance in our broader
> I'm not going to (intentionally) actively discriminate for or against anyone.
> But I will protect your right, as an individual, to do so as long as you
> protect my right to help you achieve the
> right balance in our broader communities by stamping out the existence of any
> discrimination
Thanks for this post, Shane. You share a number of my concerns.
I am absolutely not blind to opposition to some of the things I've
suggested, but I would argue that the thread on the topic has become
so negative and heated that informed discussion isn't useful.
Again I encourage others to listen
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From: Shane Curcuru
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 8:43:08 AM
To: dev@community.apache.org
Subject: Building and Sustaining Inclusive Communities (was: on "meritocracy")
Joan Touzet wrote on 3/30/19 12:52 AM:
...snip...
> Precisely the point. I'm in favour of this, though
Joan Touzet wrote on 3/30/19 12:52 AM:
...snip...
> Precisely the point. I'm in favour of this, though I know others are
> actively against it. I talked about this at length during my
> ApacheCon 2018 talk, proposing options that are well thought-out and
> fair, drawing from a wide variety of
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