Re: [PROPOSAL] Graduate Tiles2 From the Sandbox (was Re: Releasing Tiles)

2006-11-27 Thread Greg Reddin
On Nov 25, 2006, at 9:32 AM, Ted Husted wrote: Could we also document the alternative of moving the org.apache.tiles packages *into* the struts2-plugin? The proposal cites three problems: 1 Can't release 2 Not visible 3 Not permanent As part of the Struts2 Plugin, problems 1 and 2 will be

Re: [PROPOSAL] Graduate Tiles2 From the Sandbox (was Re: Releasing Tiles)

2006-11-27 Thread Ted Husted
On 11/27/06, Greg Reddin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To create community, a codebase needs to stand on its own or be part of a larger umbrella project, like the Commons or the ASF itself. I agree. I don't see this move as building community. It's just a stepping stone on the path to

Re: [PROPOSAL] Graduate Tiles2 From the Sandbox (was Re: Releasing Tiles)

2006-11-27 Thread Ted Husted
Sorry for the rant. I would have just sent the last two paragraphs, but the phone rang, and I pressed the wrong button :( On 11/27/06, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's the thing: If all these other projects depend on Tiles, then why are they not contributing? If other people won't

Re: [PROPOSAL] Graduate Tiles2 From the Sandbox (was Re: Releasing Tiles)

2006-11-27 Thread Greg Reddin
No problem. I just haven't had time to formulate a response yet :-) Greg On Nov 27, 2006, at 2:02 PM, Ted Husted wrote: Sorry for the rant. I would have just sent the last two paragraphs, but the phone rang, and I pressed the wrong button :( On 11/27/06, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [PROPOSAL] Graduate Tiles2 From the Sandbox (was Re: Releasing Tiles)

2006-11-25 Thread Ted Husted
On 11/24/06, David H. DeWolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the sake of documentation, I'll go ahead and take some of these (and Ted's) points regarding where to go upon graduation and post them to the wiki. Thanks everyone for your continued input. . . Could we also document the alternative of

Re: [PROPOSAL] Graduate Tiles2 From the Sandbox (was Re: Releasing Tiles)

2006-11-25 Thread Mitchell James
I know I'd like to see Tiles live on its own somewhere other than here. Tiles has forever been associated with Struts, and while the code is now independent of Struts, just being here makes it part of Struts in many people's minds. I'd be +1 for Tiles going TLP, and if that means first

Re: [PROPOSAL] Graduate Tiles2 From the Sandbox (was Re: Releasing Tiles)

2006-11-24 Thread Ted Husted
When we invented the Commons, it was not our intention to exclude web components. If we had even suggested such a thing, I doubt that the Jakarta PMC would have approved our proposal. At the time, we took the notion that ASF projects were suppose to be tied to HTTPD very seriously. Of course,

Re: [PROPOSAL] Graduate Tiles2 From the Sandbox (was Re: Releasing Tiles)

2006-11-24 Thread Niall Pemberton
If tiles can achieve the critical mass to become a TLP then IMO that would be the best solution - at this point it looks at least a couple of devs short of that. In the meantime its question of where can it do its growing?. Commons makes less sense to me than staying here since theres definetly

Re: [PROPOSAL] Graduate Tiles2 From the Sandbox (was Re: Releasing Tiles)

2006-11-24 Thread David H. DeWolf
Antonio Petrelli wrote: David H. DeWolf ha scritto: Please find the Tiles2 graduation proposal draft below. I look forward to your feedback . . . For the record, +1 Myself :) +1, but I think that also Wendy should be put as an active participant, since she helped us with Maven, gave a

Re: [PROPOSAL] Graduate Tiles2 From the Sandbox (was Re: Releasing Tiles)

2006-11-24 Thread David H. DeWolf
I know I might miss the struts2 release, but I'm going to let this sit at least another day or two since some people haven't had a ton of time to chime in and because of the US holiday this week. . . David David H. DeWolf wrote: Please find the Tiles2 graduation proposal draft below. I look

Re: [PROPOSAL] Graduate Tiles2 From the Sandbox (was Re: Releasing Tiles)

2006-11-24 Thread David H. DeWolf
For the sake of documentation, I'll go ahead and take some of these (and Ted's) points regarding where to go upon graduation and post them to the wiki. Thanks everyone for your continued input. . . David Niall Pemberton wrote: If tiles can achieve the critical mass to become a TLP then IMO

Re: [PROPOSAL] Graduate Tiles2 From the Sandbox (was Re: Releasing Tiles)

2006-11-23 Thread Antonio Petrelli
Don Brown ha scritto: +0 with the caveat that its temporary nature is very clearly marked on the Struts site. We just finished fighting off the impression we are a generic umbrella project, and I'd like to not go through that again. Wiki just edited, it is the last sentence in the page.

Re: [PROPOSAL] Graduate Tiles2 From the Sandbox (was Re: Releasing Tiles)

2006-11-23 Thread Antonio Petrelli
David H. DeWolf ha scritto: Please find the Tiles2 graduation proposal draft below. I look forward to your feedback . . . +1, but I think that also Wendy should be put as an active participant, since she helped us with Maven, gave a lot of useful suggestions and made tests. Ciao Antonio

[PROPOSAL] Graduate Tiles2 From the Sandbox (was Re: Releasing Tiles)

2006-11-22 Thread David H. DeWolf
Please find the Tiles2 graduation proposal draft below. I look forward to your feedback . . . http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/S2WIKI/Tiles2+Graduation+Proposal David Martin Cooper wrote: Just write up a brief proposal that we can discuss, maybe on the wiki, as Wendy suggested.

Re: [PROPOSAL] Graduate Tiles2 From the Sandbox (was Re: Releasing Tiles)

2006-11-22 Thread Don Brown
+0 with the caveat that its temporary nature is very clearly marked on the Struts site. We just finished fighting off the impression we are a generic umbrella project, and I'd like to not go through that again. Don David H. DeWolf wrote: Please find the Tiles2 graduation proposal draft

Re: [PROPOSAL] Graduate Tiles2 From the Sandbox (was Re: Releasing Tiles)

2006-11-22 Thread Greg Reddin
On Nov 22, 2006, at 12:51 PM, David H. DeWolf wrote: Please find the Tiles2 graduation proposal draft below. I look forward to your feedback . . . http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/S2WIKI/Tiles2+Graduation +Proposal +1 with one clarification. I think the Community Involvement